Are We Made of Sound? - and argument for mantra

Spirituality
#61

[QUOTE=The Scales;53535]sound is the expression of energy it is not energy.

i.e it is the effect[/QUOTE]

You just got on my ignore list…don’t know about anti-troll features on this site, but I’d ask the moderators to use a few of those on you. Or if they add the feature to ignore users selectively, then I’d apply that on your user id.

BTW, everything in this universe is an expression of energy. Electricity, Light, Heat, Matter. Energy cannot be viewed in and of itself. It can be experienced as light, sound, heat, electricity etc.

#62

[QUOTE=Dwai;53538]You just got on my ignore list…don’t know about anti-troll features on this site, but I’d ask the moderators to use a few of those on you. Or if they add the feature to ignore users selectively, then I’d apply that on your user id.

BTW, everything in this universe is an expression of energy. Electricity, Light, Heat, Matter. Energy cannot be viewed in and of itself. It can be experienced as light, sound, heat, electricity etc.[/QUOTE]

Good.

#63

Actually, that is true. Electricity, light, heat, matter and sound are all forms of energy. They are transformations of the same substance.

I recall my old physics lessons now at school where we had to label what the energy had transformed into. An object falling from a height would have gravitational potential energy, when falling it would have kinetic energy, when hitting the ground it would have sound energy.

Einstein took this thermodynamics 101 one level higher. He equated matter and energy with his famous E=MC^2. This equation basically says that matter becomes energy at the speed of light. But it also says something else, that whenever an object moves, a fraction of the momentum energy it gains is converted into mass. At small speeds, this is neglible, but at high speeds like approaching the speed of light, the effects are substantial. These are known as relativistic speeds. At the speed of light a mass will becomes infinite. This means it will require infinite energy to travel at the speed of light.

So matter, electricity, heat, sound, light are all transformations of the same substance.

It’s a bit of a cliche to say, “It’s all energy” I hear that one a lot. It is not energy that this ultimate substance is, in fact whatever it is, we know it is definitely not a material. That we know for a fact. It is the different modifications of that immaterial ultimate substance which give rise to all those diverse forms.

#64

The energy creates the effect.

Cause. effect.

but whatever.

I grunt.

Vibration. Vibration isn’t energy. It is the effect.

#65

The effect comes from the cause though, so the effect is nothing more than the cause manifest. The tree comes from the seed, the seed is the material cause and the tree is the manifest effect. Similarly, all kinds of material energy electricity, gravity, nuclear, light and sound are all the manifest effects of the same ultimate material cause.

Energy is never created or destroyed, it is simply transformed from form to another. Movement energy gets converted to sound energy can get converted into other forms of energy. Nothing is being created or destroyed.

#66

Surya,

“The bible and the Quran are based on fictional entities giving direct messages to prophets. In the bible that is God. The Quran itself is revealed by a fictional entity to Mohammed called Angel Gabriel, and the entire Quran is basically the dialogues Mohammed has with god. The Vedic literature is nothing like that.”

I would also question this.

#67

Yawn, you question everything, except your own post-enlightened self and whatever comes of out of your post-enlightened hole :wink:

#68

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53589]The effect comes from the cause though, so the effect is nothing more than the cause manifest. The tree comes from the seed, the seed is the material cause and the tree is the manifest effect. Similarly, all kinds of material energy electricity, gravity, nuclear, light and sound are all the manifest effects of the same ultimate material cause.

Energy is never created or destroyed, it is simply transformed from form to another. Movement energy gets converted to sound energy can get converted into other forms of energy. Nothing is being created or destroyed.[/QUOTE]

I bow to you.

#69

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;53591]Surya,

I would also question this.[/QUOTE]

I would also question your questioning this?

#70

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53595]Yawn, you question everything, except your own post-enlightened self and whatever comes of out of your post-enlightened hole ;)[/QUOTE]

This guy is NOT post enlightened. At all. Not even close. You sir are far closer.