Panoramix, I hear what you say about the trips, then go for it, do it, immerse yourself in it, invite it, don’t go half meassure, meet all whom you can and whom you want on the astral plains. 
About Swami Sivananda: he was a renunciate, his aversion to sex was the natural outflow of his vows that he took. But that is a subject for another post.
I just have come upon an interesting SCIENTIFIC paper:
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20514.asp
“A parallel universe, in which we coexist wit our immortal
souls.”
Note: I will be away from Canada for one week,
starting tomorrow.
I’m not up on Sivananda but i’d imagine him being an adept at kundalini and tantra yoga , and therefore i cannot imagine him being averse to sex if we mean by that a tool used for purifiication and therfore also as a means to reaching a higher state,and not something animalistic and based on lustful desire…That’s to say he was probably in control( or as in control as you could be having reached a certain level dedication with certain yoga, like kriyas and kundalini perhaps) o of his drives and all that, not the other way around.
I believe they call it technically speaking transmutation of sexual energy and there are techniques you can do to do that within tantra yoga, i’ve found that really do tame you and your sexual desire and energy converting itnto something else- a higher energy basically.Yeah they call it ojas, that’s right.
I found that you can experience whole body orgasms ( not just confined to the genitals) throughout the whole day if you abstain from normal practices, coupled with a hatha practice and employing certain practices invovling stimulation and purification. this maybe too much personal detail, however. this is one powerful enrggy force you are dealing eith, the biggest… desire of all.
Howver you are probably better finding this discovery out for yourself, as a man. One needs an experience to be convinced about something usually although there may well be precuations like in anything yoga .
I dug this up when i googled sivananda’s personal life.
http://sacred-sex.org/hinduism/sivananda-sex-desire
I reckon sivananda did the vows cos it gave the a sense of ritual to his commitment to abstain from worldly lustful relations that would impede hiis energy and level of attainment in yoga. It was liable to detract from all his efoorts and disicipline, and would be simpler to not have relationship with women based on base desires, those hardwired by evolution…
You might struggle with these techniques if your body is not prepared through hatha yoga and you lack the discipline but should’nt be too difficult if youare are recpetive to the effects and practice, of course.
like anything in yoga, i’m sure there may well be precautions with this like in anything yoga-practice wise. i don’t like contributing to these sex/yoga threads as i get the impression some folk misunderstand the true power and uitlity and point of these related practices that actually harness or ‘transmute’ your sexual desire or energy.desire dissapears-you are in control and your prana/ojas or whatever increases fuuurther… these discoveries are just based on my own experiences and experiementations perhaps. i am no expert.For that you could go to a temple in india that worships the lingum- i believe there is such a place.An di reckon the devout ones there maybe pure renunciates. As they are so pure in mind and body they cannot be tainted, let’s say ,perhaps.
When the third eye is open you will see many things…and it is extremely important that no thoughts are carried into the stream of meditation, initially. When something is seen or encountered, you will know instantly if it is something beneficial or something that you must dispel.
I was reading a book on Remote Viewing. I was wondering if the techniques used are close to third eye practice.
The book was technical in its descriptions. There were basic similarities here and there. But the thing that was the most interesting was when the author mentioned that when it was used for spying, and remote attacks were used, all the participants had lost their souls. ??
This was a very odd comment in what is a technical book.
Then there are Gnostic accounts of King Solomon…
Think of all versions of demons, evil spirits strange permutations…that mankind has documented since ? and any one or more of these, you might encounter.
So, I truly believe that one shouldn’t have any desire, plan, notion, intention, in any state that has even similar steps in meditation. And guard against unfavorable accidental thoughts in accidental meditative states that occur in many many ways, frequently.
On the mention of dancing girls in meditation…This is a third eye presentation due to having sexual thoughts whilst on the borders of an accidental meditative state, eg daydreaming about it or of course, at the commencement of an intended meditation.
It needn’t be actually about sexual acts. They also pop up if you are thinking of flattery you might have received from the opposite sex. They are there to tempt you further. So you must not be moved by the scene you see…look past it. And yes they are beautiful and make a special focus on your eyes to get you focussed in on their charm.
But they also indicate a weakness you have not mastered yet.
Bhangra I bet… How do I put one of those smiley’s on here
Panoramx…
I think that there are different floors in astral projection…The 1st is close to your environment, in your room or roaming in your house. This is often by accident. The second is further outside your surroundings and will have required some thought as to where you are going, end up
On other floors you have to know that whatever your weaknesses are will cause attraction to a being that has these weaknesses, perhaps far worse in level of how bad.
They can latch onto you for a moment, a day, week, year or more. They/it will stay with you unless you recognize that you have been latched onto. You then have to show powerful willpower to resist whatever is happening regarding your weakness, then, it will lose interest in you.
Whatever your weaknesses are, one of them will be amplified. E.g. If you have a weakness for sugar in tea…you may find that you will be eating raw sugar or placing much more sugar in your tea. It sounds like a small silly thing but longer term and in larger amounts, it can do a lot of damage to the body yes…or if you have a tendency towards jealousy, you will become perhaps much more irrationally jealous…you get my drift…
A person who has developed a bright mind will not be bothered by them. How bright ones mind is, is difficult to determine.
Of course their are ways to protect yourself mentioned in texts.
But they are not guaranteed, much depends on you.
If one of these roaming beings manages to physically materialise, it will aim to enter any orifice. This is as a result of taking less than favorable thoughts into the stream of meditation. It can be dealt with using extreme willpower to reject it.there are probably other ways as well.
I remember reading how a master using the third eye, saw his deceased mother in one of the Buddhist hells (not a nice sight I expect) He came out of it and shared this with his peers. They set about freeing her using techniques known to them.
A disturbing situation for an inexperienced person.
However, I have managed well in the third eye area…this is the viewing platform.
I know that if you take no thoughts, anger, irritation or distractions, unfavorable aims into the stream initially, then you will be okay. When you are traveling and arrive at a scene…keep your thoughts logical and simple…dont allow fear to get a grip…remain cool …pay little or no attention to whatever you are presented with that seems negative or is negative. If you meet anyone spiritual, you will know this and wont dismiss them.
Happy journeys Panoramix be safe…Kareng
I think that if you have aims…you will not be open to the spiritual beings that will want to meet you and help you…
[QUOTE=oak333;16774]Well, there are two sins which God never forgives: 1) to take his name in vain
2) whichcraft
Necromancers, occultists etc are actually practising whichcraft. Are they really aware of the sin committed ?
The Inquisition burned at stake the necromancers. Not that Inquisition was exactly reputed for kindness.
E. g. it is said that people who commit suicide are actually becoming ghosts or
something like that.
What is a disincarnate God ? I am not sure. Maybe you can ask a qualified spiritual yoga teacher to explain to us in detail Yoga Sutra Nr. 19 of Patanjali.[/QUOTE]
Necromancy - eg the art of speaking to spirits, can be a beautiful thing, speaking to ones lost loved ones, or ones whom you did not know while they were alive, and even helping them move on to their next incarnation if they have somehow trapped themselves after death (such as your example of the what happens when someone suicides.) on the astral is not a “sin.” Nothing is inherently good or evil, its what you DO with your life, and the choices you make with the skills and talents and gifts.
Witchcraft* focuses on having a very strong connection with nature, as does paganism in general. Many witches whom I have met DO believe AND pray to God daily, and are more devout and holy than many Christians I know.
Sorcery* which is banned in the bible is the art of doing any kind of harm with your magick, there are many instances in the bible of the various prophets and such using magick such as the instances of healing and the like.
Magick is wisdom, there is no wisdom in sorcery.
People are so blinded by the controlling and manipulative popular dogma that for some moments its saddens me.
A disincarnated god, is pretty much a direct emanation or personality of The All(God) In the Kabbalahs Tree of Life each Sephiroth(sphere/emanation) of the body of God represents a various aspect of the universe, a Deity/God can be seen as a being who has become One with God/ with one or more of these aspects or high planar spheres of the Body of God and has their will aligned with Gods will to the most perfect degree that their will IS Gods will much like becoming a Brahman in yoga… “Godhood” can be seen as just another evolutionary step towards becoming one with infinity.
And by the way the spiritual side yoga can be said to be magick due to its astral/energetic nature. Yoga is occultism and is NOT inherently evil as “Occult” literally translates to “Secret” and Occultist means “keeper of secrets.”
Believe what I say or not Oak333, I truly do not care. I just felt compelled by my true will to attempt to enlighten. shrugs and goes back to his cave
Try meditation.
Oak 333 and anyone interested…
When people in the Bible express visions they have seen,e.g. and the Angel of the Lord came down?..Do you think an Angel materialized in front of them?..Or, did they dream it?..Or,was it a Third Eye manifestation via meditation, Or was it just said for effect and is a fanciful made up statement?
Kind Regards Kareng
sounds like everyone here hates tripping.
the psychedelic experience can teach you a lot. it is possible to have visions thru meditation, stretching, listening to good music, etc… your brain has built in receptors for LSD, DMT, marijuana, opium, ecstacy. you could try one of those too.
read “be here now, remember”- by author: baba ram dass… the guys basically an acid head that finds enlightenment thru yoga… fun stuff.
just dont get so attached to the trip that it takes away from your regular life.
also theres a number of plants out there you can grow to get high. i suggest looking on richters herb and seed catalog, and erowid. you can google them.
peace.
i can also teach you how to make hash.
Ha trouble is if I were to experience something odd, strange, unknown etc whilst in a stoned state, I would forever be wondering if the experience was on account of the hash.
so I think Its better to experience all with a clear bright mind…meditation becomes a journey of events you want to remember…ha
true. true. just an option
namaste.
If we all have consciousness that is external to our brains as some suggest, meditation practice will provide a brain that is much more potentially receptive to remote visions.
I have experienced what I believe to be these types of visions during meditation or other states of extreme relaxation. They are always a surprise and are not something that I can consciously seek. Once I recognize them for what they are they disappear.
what an interesting thread 
Astral trips are dangerous because [B]during your trip somebody can enter in your body. [/B]
This is the second time in a week this subject has caught my attention. I think I might try lucid dreaming. I’m not sure about the rest - sounds a bit scary!
[QUOTE=Seeker33;27095]Astral trips are dangerous because [B]during your trip somebody can enter in your body. [/B];)[/QUOTE]
I’ve never seen this to be true, it would take something more powerful than a human, ie Deity level to do this most likely, and would require a forceful removal of the soul, and breaking of the “silver cord” which is quite sturdy. Not all of our astral bodies leave the physical body during AP, the soul stays behind as do the systems relevant to keeping bodily function active.
There is not much to fear during astral projection, just don’t be completely stupid during it and nothing bad will happen.
Drugs do not bring enlightenment. They may bring what appear to be “enlightening” experiences, but the work has not been done. You gain enlightenment through discipline and growth. Drugs are a way of “cheating” yourself. We do not seek enlightenment for entertainment. We seek it so that we can grow and be balanced and closer to the divine. Drugs do not do that for you.
As for someone entering your body during astral projection - entities can attach themselves to you when you open yourself as you would in an attempt at thrill seeking through astral projection.
This can manifest as one poster mentioned, in an increase in a weakness in the ego or personality, or as depression and mood swings.
Just be smart. Don’t go jumping off a cliff to see how it feels to fall. The ground can be pretty hard.
[QUOTE=Neros;27145]I’ve never seen this to be true, it would take something more powerful than a human,…[/QUOTE]
I have some friends entertaining these these trips and now they are sick. :rolleyes: