Yeah, well tell me when the Church delcared the earth is flat. Cite the documents please.
And the Galileo incident had nothing to do with the shape of the earth, and the dispute was not about science but doctrine.
[QUOTE=thomas;50965]Yeah, well tell me when the Church delcared the earth is flat. Cite the documents please.
And the Galileo incident had nothing to do with the shape of the earth, and the dispute was not about science but doctrine.[/QUOTE]
No the Church didn’t invent this doctrine and neither was it the first to accept it. But it was the first to persecute people based on it. Relatively though, the doctrinal backlash wasn’t that serious compared to the backlash one could receive for objections against heliocentricism and was indeed largely variable.
Anyway, the flat Earth beliefs somewhat died out in Europe after the introduction of Islamic astronomy, to the point where no one cared and where Heliocentrism became the greater issue.
I know that. I was making a comparison about the grudging acceptance of changes not in line with Christian doctrine.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;50870]This is true, but it is also true that the truths of ones own nervous system correspond to the truths of the Gita. But they do not correspond to the truths of the bible. This is why Hinduism is a true religion, because its truths correspond to actual truths of reality. Like the truths of science correspond to the actual truths of reality.
The difference between Hinduism and Christianity/Islam is Christianity and Islam are myths and Hinduism is true. This is why Hinduism is the true religion. And it is inevitable when one spiritually develops they will become more and more Hindu in their outlook.[/QUOTE]
SD…where did you get the quote from?
Trouble is SD, when someone practices, e.g. meditation and they get to a point where they might see things, the format belongs to their lineage, yes?
The process is explained in Hinduism and not say, in the bible, yes?
The Bible offers self realisation by holding the same important elements of the process expressed in Hinduism, so the individual can become self realised following some of their Christian rules. just as they can in Hinduism and all the others, yes?
When someone tells you they have had a vision of the Mother Mary and another person of a different holy figure, they are following their spiritual lineage, for that moment, yes?
So its the fact that the process is explained realistically in Hinduism and not in say Christianity, that bothers you? - I get it…
So you want Hinduism to gain the recognition for understanding and expressing the processes
Other religions and practices that have formed, and work, for the individual,…assuming of course, they are practising the important elements necessary for self realisation and many reincarnated back into their particular religion or practice, do get as far in their spiritual progress as a Hindu might.
This is what the so-called New Ager understands.
There are many practices that produce self -realisation.
You appear to be suggesting to remove all the unnecessary parts, as you see it, in all other practices…but we already know that self realisation can come about in the weirdest and/or extreme forms of practices…
So yes, the processes, (Hindu) are there but they can be practised, (Christian, Sikh etc) in many ways and this will always be the same for some time to come because a person will be reminded of their lineage in private spiritual practices. and/or their distance geographically produces variations…the individuals personal tweeking etc…
[QUOTE=thomas;50908]The earth isn’t flat!!!??? You mean I’ve been needlessly worrying all these years about getting too close to the edge and falling off?
OH NO!!! :eek:
My Church has been lying to me then. What a liar Jesus is!
Now where is that church teaching that tells me the earth is flat? I’m going to write to the pope about it.
I’m sure SD can come up with the source. It’s probably in the next paragraph after the one that says we are taught to practice beastiality…[/QUOTE]
hahahaha very funny Thomas!
[QUOTE=kareng;50987]SD…where did you get the quote from?
Trouble is SD, when someone practices, e.g. meditation and they get to a point where they might see things, the format belongs to their lineage, yes?
The process is explained in Hinduism and not say, in the bible, yes?
The Bible offers self realisation by holding the same important elements of the process expressed in Hinduism, so the individual can become self realised following some of their Christian rules. just as they can in Hinduism and all the others, yes?
When someone tells you they have had a vision of the Mother Mary and another person of a different holy figure, they are following their spiritual lineage, for that moment, yes?
So its the fact that the process is explained realistically in Hinduism and not in say Christianity, that bothers you? - I get it…
So you want Hinduism to gain the recognition for understanding and expressing the processes
Other religions and practices that have formed, and work, for the individual,…assuming of course, they are practising the important elements necessary for self realisation and many reincarnated back into their particular religion or practice, do get as far in their spiritual progress as a Hindu might.
This is what the so-called New Ager understands.
There are many practices that produce self -realisation.
You appear to be suggesting to remove all the unnecessary parts, as you see it, in all other practices…but we already know that self realisation can come about in the weirdest and/or extreme forms of practices…
So yes, the processes, (Hindu) are there but they can be practised, (Christian, Sikh etc) in many ways and this will always be the same for some time to come because a person will be reminded of their lineage in private spiritual practices. and/or their distance geographically produces variations…the individuals personal tweeking etc…[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, what about the individuals who will practice parts of Hinduism badly and send themselves mad?..?
Ha did my own quote somehow, I must have left it too late to edit…
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;50819]Nope, I will not leave the Christians alone. They deserve to pay for what they have done, pay by reforming their religions lest the suffer much backlash in the future. All this criticism is for their own benefit. You all say that what I do is evil, but in reality it is you all who are evil because you are postponing the impending doom by placing it upon the shoulders of the younger generations. Y’all are like the rest of America back in the pre-Civil war days who hated and scorned the abolitionists. Guess what eventually happened? The bloodiest war the U.S ever got their hands into. Evil should be promptly stamped out wherever it appears.
By the way, let me tell you something. Today in school, my whole table (full of Christians) started yelling at me. How did it happen? Well I was talking about “Lord” Isaac Newton (I was joking about the lord part and they knew it) and how I admired him for his math/physics contributions. Then one of my friends (ironic no?) started spewing crap about how Buddha was inferior to Jesus because he was human (and thus, Buddhism being a baseless religion). You can pretty much guess what happened from there.[/QUOTE]
Billy, you will have to hold your ground…its the Jesus/resurrection debate…
It’s the Christian ace up the sleeve row…
wARNING not suitable for hindus to watch
[QUOTE=kareng;50992]Billy, you will have to hold your ground…its the Jesus/resurrection debate…
It’s the Christian ace up the sleeve row…[/QUOTE]
You mean the stuff about everyone becoming as zombie as Jesus became? Those silly Christians and their necromancy…
[QUOTE=kareng;50993]wARNING not suitable for hindus to watch
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The Bible offers self realisation by holding the same important elements of the process expressed in Hinduism, so the individual can become self realised following some of their Christian rules. just as they can in Hinduism and all the others, yes?
There is no doctrine of self in the bible, so there is no self-realization in the bible. This is why I am saying it is a false religion. It does not teach you about the profound and inner divine reality within all of us. Rather it teaches you about a fictitious being called god who lives in heaven alongside a hierarchy of angels sitting on his throne judging everybody, sending people to either heaven or hell, and teaches you to surrender to this heavenly tyrant.
It is clearly a false a religion.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51038]There is no doctrine of self in the bible, so there is no self-realization in the bible. This is why I am saying it is a false religion. It does not teach you about the profound and inner divine reality within all of us. Rather it teaches you about a fictitious being called god who lives in heaven alongside a hierarchy of angels sitting on his throne judging everybody, sending people to either heaven or hell, and teaches you to surrender to this heavenly tyrant.
It is clearly a false a religion.[/QUOTE]
You looking at the objects, wording etc I’m talking about the experience. The end result will be the same…it leads to it through practice. Do you imagine that everyone practising their thing isn’t getting something or a lot, out of it? as much a Hindu might wth Hinduism? You only think they are not getting what the Hindu gets. They have enough elements of the process that leads to self realisation, divine experience but put in a different package. Each lifetime spent in their religion will be felt in the next life to varying degrees. Or, at some point. Wanting to repeat, echo things outside of the faith they might belong to now even.
Well, again to repeat: there is no doctrine of self in the Abrahamic religions. Therefore there is no self-realization in these religion and no practices geared towards self-realization.
Adherents of Abrahamic religions are spiritually impoverished because they are not taught about the Self or taught any practices that lead to self-realization. There is no spirituality in these religions.
The end result is not going to be the same for an adherent practicing an Abrahamic religion and an adherent practicing a dharmic religion. The one practicing the abrahamic religion is going to get taught no spirituality at all and no personal practices for spiritual development(as the self is not recognised) Rather, they will be taught to occasionally pray to the Abrahamic god, occasionally attend mass at Church/mosque and to occasionally give to charity. The Hindu, on the other hand will be taught about spirituality, taught about spiritual development and given practices to do daily in order to develop spiritually to produce actual results.
I really don’t understand why anybody who is serious about their spiritual development would choose any religion other than Hinduism or Buddhism.
Abrahamic religions are false religions. Pure and simple.
It does not teach you about the profound and inner divine reality within all of us.
Jesus said the Kingdon of Heaven is within you.
There is no spirituality in these religions
As usual, you lump two very diverse spiritualities into one. Christianity–especially Catholicism–is extremely spiritual, and you obviously have little knowledge about Catholic prayers, the sacraments, Mass, private devotions, etc.
I really don’t understand why anybody who is serious about their spiritual development would choose any religion other than Hinduism or Buddhism.
I chose Christianity because I believe Jesus existed and did and said what the NT says he did. So there is no other choice.
Abrahamic religions are false religions. Pure and simple.
Elvis Presley is alive and well in Newark, NJ. Pure and simple.
[QUOTE=thomas;51060]Jesus said the Kingdon of Heaven is within you.
As usual, you lump two very diverse spiritualities into one. Christianity–especially Catholicism–is extremely spiritual, and you obviously have little knowledge about Catholic prayers, the sacraments, Mass, private devotions, etc.
I chose Christianity because I believe Jesus existed and did and said what the NT says he did. So there is no other choice.
Elvis Presley is alive and well in Newark, NJ. Pure and simple.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes. Within that one statement, I can learn how to do postures, how to meditate…amazing.
No it is not spiritual. Having a bunch of rituals doesn’t make a religion spiritual. All Christianity is, is devotional worship like Bhakti Hinduism. There is no spirituality in meaningless myths, antiquated ideals, and so forth.
So you chose Christianity because of your unsubstantiated faith in a man who most likely never lived…while you reject other religions that have been proven to contain much real-life import…amazing.
Let me tell you something Thomas; I was accused of being intolerant when I was condemning the intolerant doctrines within Islam and Christianity in response to someone at my table who was crapping on Buddhism. “Buddhists worship a human who is inferior to Jesus because he wasn’t God.” You also have these views, don’t you? Admit it.
And you say Christianity contains much spirituality.
The West is truly a depressing place…
No, it means that I can make an outrageous claim too. It doesn’t mean it’s true, even if I add “pure and simple” at the end.
[QUOTE=thomas;51077]No, it means that I can make an outrageous claim too. It doesn’t mean it’s true, even if I add “pure and simple” at the end.[/QUOTE]
Sigh* The day Christians that realize that they are the most ignorant people on the planet and the day they reform themselves is the day hell freezes over…which is never.
I am going to stop talking about Christianity for a while. My hatred for it is at an all time high and I certainly don’t want to lose myself in it.
Hatred is not a good thing.
I don’t hate any religion. I try to see the good. I try to understand the believer, and even if the religion seems a little kooky to me, at least I strive to give the benefit of the doubt to them, and credit them for believing as they do in good faith, and striving to be better people.
[QUOTE=thomas;51082]Hatred is not a good thing.
I don’t hate any religion. I try to see the good. I try to understand the believer, and even if the religion seems a little kooky to me, at least I strive to give the benefit of the doubt to them, and credit them for believing as they do in good faith, and striving to be better people.[/QUOTE]
No beating around the bush Thomas. You still believe your religion is superior because of its supposedly superior teachings.
I, however, believe that any religion is superior to Christianity and Islam because OF ITS FLAWS.
There is quite a difference between the two. I implore everyone to think about it before they call me a Hindutva nationalist, while ignoring the inherent chauvinism characterizing most Christians/Muslims.
I SHOULD believe my religion is “superior.” If I thought it was inferior, I would switch to the religion superior to it. What’s wrong with that thinking?
That doesn’t mean I hate other religions.
Jesus said the Kingdon of Heaven is within you.
Indeed he did in one of the gospels, but only the gnostics interpret this literally. Are you a gnostic now Thomas?
As usual, you lump two very diverse spiritualities into one. Christianity–especially Catholicism–is extremely spiritual, and you obviously have little knowledge about Catholic prayers, the sacraments, Mass, private devotions, etc.
These are not spirituality, but religious ritual. There is a big difference. Spirituality is Yoga where the Yogi deliberately attempts to connect to the inner and divine reality by ceasing the modifications of his mind. He does this either by 1) Meditation, where he regularly meditates for hours to still his mind by watching the mind detached 2) By devotion where he worships the divine reality day in and day out by abstracting an external form or idol, worshipping it, chanting the name of their god constantly, hearing stories about their god constantly, holdings fasts for their god, singing hymns to their god constantly 3) By service, where he sees god in everybody and everything and devotes their life to selfless service to everybody else.
There are indeed similarities in Christianity to Hinduism, but major differences. Most Christians only occasionally attend mass or pray or give to charity - and think that is enough. It is more like fulfilling religious obligations in order to win their ticket to heaven. In Hinduism, one devotes their entire life to the practice, day in and day out, in order to develop spiritually.