Karma question?

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#5

Karma is a law of cause and effect - every cause must meet its effect. But “when, where and how“ make a huge complex model because of the infinite number of causes and occurrence of suitable environment for the effect to materialize. The effect can follow the cause instantly or a few lives apart.

Causes of karma exist as seeds. Killing of an animal or craving for a beef-burger are circumstantial details of the basic ‘desire to hurt’ and ‘desire to satiate’ which are the seeds. So, the effect of killing an animal may not and need not come back as death to the killer. That is a very simplistic expectation.
One goes through life experiencing the effects and creating causes, totally unmindful of any connection between the two. Awareness of such a connection occurs when one becomes spiritual. Then one realizes that past seeds must inevitably bring the effects, but creation of the present and future seeds can be avoided by living a life as desire-less as possible. Yama and Niyama provide further behavioral directions.

Spiritual path expands and deepens awareness to more subtle levels. Then, one not only understands karma better but can dissolve some part of karma as well. The connection between cause and the effect and its seeming inevitability has a purpose. Effects are on the gross plane but its causes are on a relatively subtle plane. Ability to dwell on the subtle planes offers spiritual purification in which some karma seeds get burnt. However, even very advanced seers are seen welcoming the karma effects (in spite of possessing much more powerful siddhis) and live through them because that is its best redemption.

The best option is to realize the karma connection of all occurrences in life to strengthen a spiritual resolve not to create more causes by giving up desires.

#6

I’m still trying to figure out this. There is always a kinda conflict between this aspects such as karma. Do we only choose what we supposed to choose? Here freewill and pre-destiny both fulfill.

#7

I agree with sahas. Thanks for sharing.

#8

[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;46978]Karma is a law of cause and effect - every cause must meet its effect. But ?when, where and how? make a huge complex model because of the infinite number of causes and occurrence of suitable environment for the effect to materialize. The effect can follow the cause instantly or a few lives apart.

Causes of karma exist as seeds. Killing of an animal or craving for a beef-burger are circumstantial details of the basic ?desire to hurt? and ?desire to satiate? which are the seeds. So, the effect of killing an animal may not and need not come back as death to the killer. That is a very simplistic expectation.
One goes through life experiencing the effects and creating causes, totally unmindful of any connection between the two. Awareness of such a connection occurs when one becomes spiritual. Then one realizes that past seeds must inevitably bring the effects, but creation of the present and future seeds can be avoided by living a life as desire-less as possible. Yama and Niyama provide further behavioral directions.

Spiritual path expands and deepens awareness to more subtle levels. Then, one not only understands karma better but can dissolve some part of karma as well. The connection between cause and the effect and its seeming inevitability has a purpose. Effects are on the gross plane but its causes are on a relatively subtle plane. Ability to dwell on the subtle planes offers spiritual purification in which some karma seeds get burnt. However, even very advanced seers are seen welcoming the karma effects (in spite of possessing much more powerful siddhis) and live through them because that is its best redemption.

The best option is to realize the karma connection of all occurrences in life to strengthen a spiritual resolve not to create more causes by giving up desires.[/QUOTE]

Giving up desires!

Thats Buddhist Filth!

/ please note this is a sarcastic post…

#9

[quote=core789;46953]
I don’t necessarily view it as karma being destroyed as such but think you can change it’s course, it’s direction,alter it’s destiny so in that sense that could be just another way of putting it.It begs the question why these warriors were fighting in the first place.Also what is this Sarpa Tantra business?[/quote]

Namaskar Core!

How’s going on your sadhana?

Why did they fight? No clue. Perhaps they defended their land against Alexander the Great or whoever invaded them… I recall something like Sarpa Tantra was officiated by Brahmins, they rose Kshatriyas’ Kundalini through their powers, and K destroyed their blood karmas.

Your approach isn’t bad, Kundalini Shakti belongs to the causal realm, She’s the source of manifest world. Rising Her could be like restarting a computer that gets saturated/overloaded.

Still looking for that magic button… :wink:

#10

well said Suhas

#11

Marpa made milarepa, so the story goes, build up then tear down large stone houses for nine years straight to work off some bad ju ju.

#12

In the kindergarten, a Ph D thesis does look filthy, non-sense and waste of paper.

A view from Mt Everest can only be speculated from the bottom of the Himalayas.

#13

Good replies here already so I’ll merely be adding to the puzzle.

Can karma be “worked off”? Perhaps, though not easily or simply.
Better not to rely on “burning off” but to understand each choice comes with a result - not just in the living of the practitioner but in the cosmos. Each pebble of choice makes some ripple in the pond and the pond is a closed environment so the ripple must go somewhere.

#14

[QUOTE=nikhilarya;46936]hi everyone,
how can one dissolve karma?
like if i did a bad deed,like,killed an animal(btw its just an example) ,would i be killed/murdered to nullify my karma or are there any other methods of dissolving it?
or if i break someone’s heart ,would the same happen with me?
sorry if my question is stupid but i really want to know.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I one does all bad deeds because of the existing karma…
one can improve the karma by doing good. Please refer to Yamas and Niyamas on how to improve Karma. By following yamas and niyamas one can rip the benefits in this life-cycle.

If you like to fish, it does not mean that you will be killed by a shark:)

Good luck!

#15

[quote=panoramix;46993]Namaskar Core!

How’s going on your sadhana?

Still looking for that magic button… ;)[/quote]

Hey Panoramix…Yeah i found one magic button. It’s my third-eye.

I wrote about it here…post#12:cool:

I think it was off-balance…like one hemisphere of the brain has beeen in a dormant state… the right side…the ida side…if that makes any sense.

I took the ajna practices in that book Kundalini Tantra and i simplifieed them somewhat simply by resting awareness at the eye-brow centre at odd moments throughout the day say.Combine that with “relaxed state of awareness*”, the meditative state and should help your third-eye balance and open.

Combine that with a deep mantra-type meditation and you could have potentially quite a powerful cocktail.Results are alright and encouraging so far.I had some initially has some reservations about some of the ajna practices such as the gazing techniques like how to do them properly and also the Om chanting i was’nt too sure if it conflicted with my mantra meditation but i just rest my awareness there like i say throughout the day at odd moments and it would seem to be balancing.As i say i had a dominant pingala and a dormant/dead ida.I think i had quite a marked imbalance like one hemisphere was practically dead but seems to be helping.These things can take time to full balance.

Thanks for asking.That is very nice of you!

It is one thing knowing the practices and doing them but you’re not always told about [U]navigation[/U]!

I am a little surprised i did’nt see it before but i think also was concerned that could be a little conflict with my deep meditation which i’ve been doing now and again.We’ll see…

The " navigation" bit they don’t reaaly tell you about is how to sense the prana cultivate a subtle awareness of it…i.e whether it is in balance or not… the areas where it’s absent etc. as it creates friction as it moves through the nadis.

That’s the best i can explain it though i think you get my drift.:cool:

#16

I wrote about it here…post#12:cool:

I think it was off-balance…like one hemisphere of the brain has beeen in a dormant state… the right side…the ida side…if that makes any sense.

I took the ajna practices in that book Kundalini Tantra and i simplifieed them somewhat simply by resting awareness at the eye-brow centre at odd moments throughout the day say.Combine that with “relaxed state of awareness*”, the meditative state and should help your third-eye balance and open.

Combine that with a deep mantra-type meditation and you could have potentially quite a powerful cocktail.Results are alright and encouraging so far.I had some initially has some reservations about some of the ajna practices such as the gazing techniques like how to do them properly and also the Om chanting i was’nt too sure if it conflicted with my mantra meditation but i just rest my awareness there like i say throughout the day at odd moments and it would seem to be balancing.As i say i had a dominant pingala and a dormant/dead ida.I think i had quite a marked imbalance like one hemisphere was practically dead but seems to be helping.These things can take time to full balance.

Thanks for asking.That is very nice of you!

It is one thing knowing the practices and doing them but you’re not always told about [U]navigation[/U]!

I am a little surprised i did’nt see it before but i think also was concerned that could be a little conflict with my deep meditation which i’ve been doing now and again.We’ll see…

The " navigation" bit they don’t reaaly tell you about is how to sense the prana cultivate a subtle awareness of it…i.e whether it is in balance or not… the areas where it’s absent etc. as it creates friction as it moves through the nadis.

I hope that makes some sense.:cool:

#17

All huge philosophical discussion aside, isn’t Karma merely the law of cause and effect? What we do comes back to us. My mother always told me (she was a great Mom, and still is) that what you do comes back to you tenfold. It most likely is not a direct, obvious corollary. I can’t give an example, because anything can beget anything.

Think of it as energy waves. You are angry, you think angry thoughts, those thoughts are energy radiating away from you and within you. Affecting your inner organs and body processes, as well as affecting anyone you may be directing your thoughts toward at the time. These energy waves also behave as a magnet, attracting more of the same to you, but in more abundance. So as long as you dwell in the negative, you attract even more of it to you, and it does affect things that happen to you and the way that people behave toward you. It doesn’t affect only people. All is energy, so it affects your whole environment.

The same is true for positive energy! Learn to control the negative within yourself so it does not radiate (because we will always encounter negative feelings and thoughts within ourselves) and focus on sending out positive energies and behaviors.
Yoga helps with this as it helps you to gain control of the mind and the emotions. It doesn’t magically make it better, you also have to do the inner work for inner growth, but yoga is a tool to help you obtain your objective.

But don’t think that because something “bad” happened to you that you must have done something to draw it to you, unless it causes a light bulb to turn on in your mind that makes you think of something specific that you may be doing to draw this to you. There’s no easy answer, but this is a way of being that I have found to be True for me, but life is so complex, that when something happens, there is no way of really knowing if we brought it on by being out of balance, or if it was part of our life and part of the experiences we came her to experience to help us grow. Remember also, Good and Bad are merely subjective opinions. Desireable and Undesireable are more accurate.
All we can really do is live our lives the best we can, and know that when something unhappy happens, it is all in our reaction or response to it that matters. We aren’t being punished. Life just Is. We have to deal with it as it comes.

So remember, whatever you do always comes back to you tenfold, so choose your actions wisely. And your thoughts. :slight_smile:

#18

In Wiccan beliefs it is 3 fold x

#19

thanks everybody for beautiful answers

#20

[QUOTE=core789;46942]In
Yoga is a sicence and if we are familiar with it we can use those methods , perhpas combiining some but keeping it simple that open up consciousness. Consciousness will not open when we are doing harm.I’d recommend Deep Meditaiton from the AYP system(See AYPsite.org for more info. for a complete yoga practice/system where you’ll find useful lessons and so on and how to get started- start at Lesson 13)It will open up your heart. What they may not necessarily tell you is how to navigate a path. I have learnt that navigation skills can come with time as long as we are patient.It might not seem we are doing much but eventully the flood-gates open and we feel nothing but pure unconditional Love for everything and everyone.The sdhana teaches us to wake up from the “I” thought, me and that cow, or my heart, their heart etc.The dream of separation and move us to a postion of unity with everything around us.Though it is all part of us really.We are all connected.Take the web for instance and your post, my post…

Hope this is helpful ,and thanks for the chat…[/QUOTE]

Hey, awesome website (the ayp site), Thanks.

#21

Nikhilarya,

“how can one dissolve karma?”

Die and die completely just as a drop of water becomes liberated into the ocean. If wanting to know of the method of this, one will have to weed out all of the seeds of suffering in your unconscious. Rather than thinking of how to dissolve one’s so called “karma”, one will have to an understanding of what are the obstacles which are preventing you from coming into contact with a higher consciousness.

#22

“First of all, I one does all bad deeds because of the existing karma…
one can improve the karma by doing good.”

What you consider “good” and “bad” are just your own relative ideas and concepts about it. That is why the Hindu has a different idea of karma, the Buddhist has a different idea of karma, the Jain has a different idea of karma.

It is not a matter of doing “good” deeds at all. In fact, any action which is done with an attachment to the idea of goodness is bound to create even more misery. One has to come to know of a space which is beyond “good” and “evil”, “right” and “wrong”, love and hate, sin and virtue, light and darkness, “existence” or “non-existence”, “being” or “non-being”. As long as the consciousness of man remains entangled in dualism, then whether one does something or does nothing, suffering is inevitable.

#23

Barf…

um

wut?

#24

He thinks he’s a buddha.