Newbie to yoga

[QUOTE=BLOND37;45785]please be serious… dont appreciate that sarcasm[/QUOTE]

You began the thread comparing yoga to snake oil. From subsequent posts it is painfully evident you are deeply stressed out. It correct that yoga, like snake oil, is not a cure all. What it can provide is a platform from which you can begin to deal with the stress. Some on this forum will tell you that yoga is more than a bunch of poses - which it is. The fact is that it is these poses that is the gateway many of take into the deeper world of yoga.

One or two classes will not do much to relieve your stress in the long run, but may give you a short period of calm. For more immediate relief you may consider a health professional, while taking classes.

I speak from personal experience.

flex - i go to a “health professional”… a therapist and i go to a psychiatrist ( a good one)… isnt the point of yoga to get better without western medicine? see i knew i’d get the big brush off… i am sorry i asked for help.

i wish when i go to the yoga place monday there was something i could do- like a class or try yoga… but it dont seem that way

[QUOTE=BLOND37;45792]flex - i go to a “health professional”… a therapist and i go to a psychiatrist ( a good one)… isnt the point of yoga to get better without western medicine? see i knew i’d get the big brush off… i am sorry i asked for help.[/QUOTE]

I truly mean only to encourage you. Yoga can replace western treatments - eventually. I think it’s a good thing that you’re taking that first step. Just don’t be discouraged if you trip once in a while. Use this forum for more insight and information. Good luck.

ok thanks flex i’m sorry :frowning:

wanna hear something funny (not haha funny) i have hiv (since 2004, so not newly diagnosed) - AND SUPPOSED TO AVOID STRESS!..

i asked emailed that former party boy to ask if he does yoga and how he learned and stuff but he prolly wont tell me or help me cuz he’d feel its a “conflict” with our massage client thing.

i guess i’ll go to the yoga place monday if only to check it out (tho the woman i talked to on the phone yesterday seemed well distracted…
whats the worse they can do? ask me to leave.

so i am watching a video on U tube called yoga for beginners … she is doing an exercise what my chiro doc calls the cat and camel (you know it?)
then she does bending over stuff (lunge, forward dog?) i cant do these or anything that require bending over (serious back issues here)… cant do lunges…
now she’s doing warrior something - cant do
so now i’m thinking i cant do yoga
i mean if this was a class i’ would end up standing there like a GD fool
and i’m sorry i dont understand how this makes life all hakumata

What a name like "BLOND…’ can do…

A flurry of replies of whether she can digest it or not… :slight_smile:

Blondie: Here is my two cents. Where are you are at your life is because of your actions. If you ask me what actions/why…that is only our mind/body is capable of…

Yoga… by that i mean asanasas(with a a certain level of discpline in other areas of life) can make your internal organ functions effectively… you should feel much better…

try inversion poses ( viparita karani/shoulder stand to experience it)…again learn to to correctly.i mean CORRECTYLY.

Hey BLOND37.

I’m no yoga teacher nor a very experienced practitioner, I’ve been at it for a little over a year and a half. I usually don’t feel qualified to give advice, but Ill try this time because I feel I can relate to some of your questions and to some of the stress you are feeling. You said that your “…mind travels at a million miles an hour…”. I know what that like, I really do, but I don’t know what your mind is telling you.

Anyway, Ill share some of the things that helped me. If you feel my advice won’t help you, please feel free to disregard them, I’m not forcing anything on you.

Somewhere you asked what yoga is suppose to do. That is tricky, it depends on what you want to use it for. I think yoga should balance your life. When I started, I needed something to help me with my racing mind. Now, after a session on the mat, I feel a calm and peace that I didn’t knew was possible before.

Yoga is not about achievement. Its not about “doing” poses. Its about “being”. Just be in the poses and observe yourself, body and mind. Id like to say “Don’t focus on the achievements”, but I know that can be very hard. The poses themselves don’t miraculously help you, its about observation and calmness in combination with the poses.

There is something called, Shavasana. Its the pose that helped me the most. You can google it. Just lay in it and observe what you feel and think. Just observe. Even when you think “This is bullshit, it does nothing”, just observe.

The “ego” is very very nervous and afraid and does not like change. Letting go of thoughts and just “be” was so scary for me that I can hardly put words on it. So, even if its scary, just observe it. Don’t be surprised if yoga practise is a bit scary.

It is OK to feel nervous or intimidated by a yoga class. But remember, that its your expectations and experiences taking. Just observe these feelings and go anyway, If you want to. I know its hard, but its worth a shot.

Unfortunately, I can’t figure yoga out. And you probably will not either. It has to be experienced and practised on and off the mat. Yoga is more than just poses and breathing. But take it in small steps, or you might end up creating more tension and conflict than you solve.

Also, I think its better to get instructions from a good teacher than from books and internet. Maybe a private session with a yogatherapist could be beneficial?

If anyone with more experience and knowledge think I’ve said something unclear or harmful, please correct me or clarify.

I truly wish you all the best BLOND37.

@all: i really am trying to understand this, really i am…

@tangle (and all?): “Its not about “doing” poses. Its about “being”. Just be in the poses and observe yourself, body and mind. Id like to say “Don’t focus on the achievements”, but I know that can be very hard. The poses themselves don’t miraculously help you, its about observation and calmness in combination with the poses.” this i totally dont understand… and my mind still says the poses are supposed to make better

my mind goes a million miles an hour cuz my adhd… my shrink wants to focus on getting my bipolar under control first…

and like i said there’s the issue of my back probs… i watched a beginner vid on you tube and could only do one thing so if i was in a class… i’d end up standing there like an idiot

[QUOTE=Layman;45801]What a name like "BLOND…’ can do…

A flurry of replies of whether she can digest it or not… :slight_smile:

Blondie: Here is my two cents. Where are you are at your life is because of your actions. If you ask me what actions/why…that is only our mind/body is capable of…

Yoga… by that i mean asanasas(with a a certain level of discpline in other areas of life) can make your internal organ functions effectively… you should feel much better…

try inversion poses ( viparita karani/shoulder stand to experience it)…again learn to to correctly.i mean CORRECTYLY.[/QUOTE]

are you asking me "where i am in life now?"
FYI, my last name is LeBlond (its french)
by the way I’M A GUY

@tangle: i want to you to get rid of this CONSTANT stress and anxiety and help my back probs

<<Yoga… by that i mean asanasas(with a a certain level of discpline in other areas of life) can make your internal organ functions effectively… you should feel much better…

try inversion poses ( viparita karani/shoulder stand to experience it)…again learn to to correctly.i mean CORRECTYLY.>>

layman i have NO idea what this means

Hi,

Interesting thread.

Blond37, I’ve been practicing yoga (different types) for +10 years. Based on your comments, it seems to me that you are trying to “rationalize” too much.

I can only advise you to let go of your intellect… REALLY! Stop trying to analyze Yoga, specially (and most importantly) since you have not practiced before.

It is important to “make peace” with your decision, if you really want to try the practice. Doing yoga is more about a full “surrender” and just “be true to yourself”. Start by attending the class with an “open mind”. Before the class starts tell the instructor that you are new and let him/her know about your physical injuries, so the teacher can show you some modifications thru the practice.

There are plenty of studios. Obviously you found one with some options for classes. My advise is try several ones and see which style feels good for you. Again, come prepared with NO expectations, other than FEEL the poses and FEEL your body.

One prevalent truth (already mentioned above) is that your mind dictates what you are willing to do or not. You sound very defensive in your posts. As I read, it’s evident that you are looking for “reasons” to dismiss yoga as a path for healing your mind and your body. This is what I mean by “make peace” with your decision and stop analyzing.

If you attend your practice with a positive attitude, an open mind and most important, an open heart, I’m sure you’ll have a great experience. However, if you assume a position of “I can’t do this”, “I don’t understand”, “why…”, etc, your mind will dictate your body NOT to anything that comes to your life (not only Yoga).

My 2 cents :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Patyal68;45832]Hi,

Interesting thread.

Blond37, I’ve been practicing yoga (different types) for +10 years. Based on your comments, it seems to me that you are trying to “rationalize” too much.

I can only advise you to let go of your intellect… REALLY! Stop trying to analyze Yoga, specially (and most importantly) since you have not practiced before.

It is important to “make peace” with your decision, if you really want to try the practice. Doing yoga is more about a full “surrender” and just “be true to yourself”. Start by attending the class with an “open mind”. Before the class starts tell the instructor that you are new and let him/her know about your physical injuries, so the teacher can show you some modifications thru the practice.

There are plenty of studios. Obviously you found one with some options for classes. My advise is try several ones and see which style feels good for you. Again, come prepared with NO expectations, other than FEEL the poses and FEEL your body.

One prevalent truth (already mentioned above) is that your mind dictates what you are willing to do or not. You sound very defensive in your posts. As I read, it’s evident that you are looking for “reasons” to dismiss yoga as a path for healing your mind and your body. This is what I mean by “make peace” with your decision and stop analyzing.

If you attend your practice with a positive attitude, an open mind and most important, an open heart, I’m sure you’ll have a great experience. However, if you assume a position of “I can’t do this”, “I don’t understand”, “why…”, etc, your mind will dictate your body NOT to anything that comes to your life (not only Yoga).

My 2 cents :)[/QUOTE]

please forgive my random thoughts in response:

1- i can not try other studios cuz i live in hickville and only can take public transportation. any other studios are very far by bus - a 1-2 hour bus ride.
2- i am trying to keep an open mind but i FEEL that everyone is teling me how great it is - how anyone can do it (even people like me with back problems)… this is of course an exageration but its like yoga can solve mideast peace, global warming and the oil crisis simply by sitting like a dog or flower.
3 - i admit i am a MASSIVE control freak. i am working on that but its hard
4- i am not looking for reasons to dismiss nor am i defensive - i am however FRUSTRATED…

so i asked the former party boy…about if everyone can do it and can everyone benefit… here’s his reply:

“Yoga IS for everyone. One of the beatiful pieces is that it does fit everyone wherever they are starting from. Trust me. Maybe certain poses and sequences look " undoable” , but trust my words it works deeply on levels you may never have dreamt of."

yet another typical non-reply reply.

so if i got a very beginner class and i cant do something do i just stand there? wasting my money i’m sure the teacher wont want me standing there.

and i know i asked this before but i dont understand how it works.

anyone here a seinfeld fan? “serenity now!”

so i was gonna go monday to the studio -even tho they have no classes i can do - but now we are supposed to get a blizzard… cant go tue got appts. they dont have beginner classes til the 6th by then i’ll recuperating from surgery and that brings to mid feb.

Most of your responses have a lot of “drama”. Drama = lots of analyzing, lots of intellect… trying to rationalize, too much “what if”.

I disagree with the statement that Yoga is for everyone. Yoga does not work for someone who is unable to “LET GO” and just BE. Your frustration is just the result of over-analyzing.

As I indicated before, if you try a class, you need to talk to the instructor and let him/her know about your back injury, so that she/he can show you a safe way to modify a pose. You are NOT required to do each pose at an advanced level. You need to learn to crawl, before you can walk… You need to learn to walk before you can run.

If you go to a class (any level) and you can’t do the pose, you DON’T just stand there. That’s why you told the instructor that you are new, so she/he can guide you and show you an option to that pose.

The only way you will ever know how yoga works is by trying a class. Just like you are able to know the flavor of chocolate by tasting it.

As for other studios… if location is a restriction, just go to the studio nearby and approach the practice with a positive attitude. I don’t think you need to wait 2 weeks in order to try a class.

On the other hand, if waiting is the only option, realize that it’s not a big deal… January 6 is only a few days ahead. Seriously… Stop the drama in your head.

[QUOTE=Patyal68;45843]Most of your responses have a lot of “drama”. Drama = lots of analyzing, lots of intellect… trying to rationalize, too much “what if”.

I disagree with the statement that Yoga is for everyone. Yoga does not work for someone who is unable to “LET GO” and just BE. Your frustration is just the result of over-analyzing.

As I indicated before, if you try a class, you need to talk to the instructor and let him/her know about your back injury, so that she/he can show you a safe way to modify a pose. You are NOT required to do each pose at an advanced level. You need to learn to crawl, before you can walk… You need to learn to walk before you can run.

If you go to a class (any level) and you can’t do the pose, you DON’T just stand there. That’s why you told the instructor that you are new, so she/he can guide you and show you an option to that pose.

The only way you will ever know how yoga works is by trying a class. Just like you are able to know the flavor of chocolate by tasting it.

As for other studios… if location is a restriction, just go to the studio nearby and approach the practice with a positive attitude. I don’t think you need to wait 2 weeks in order to try a class.

On the other hand, if waiting is the only option, realize that it’s not a big deal… January 6 is only a few days ahead. Seriously… Stop the drama in your head.[/QUOTE]

i was going to fully reply to this but this (yours) reply to my posting… makes me livid!
1- as i said they have few classes due to the holidays
2- yes jan 6 is around the corner but I MIGHT BE RECOVERING FROM SURGERY
3- lastly - you think an instructor will let me in a advanced class? wont her showing me “options” take away her time from the rest of the class?
4 not that this has anything to so with anything - but i read today that ashton kutcher does bigram yoga or whatever…

how will i know it is working?
what will i feel?
how long til it works

[QUOTE=BLOND37;45846]how will i know it is working?
what will i feel?
how long til it works[/QUOTE]
I believe we are used to “instant” results. “How soon?” “How fast?” Our society is so used to anticipate the future that we forget to live in the present.

Nobody can answer these questions. The more you mentally resist and create milestones, the longer it will take. The more you surrender your intellect and are willing to practice with an open mind = NO EXPECTATIONS, the easier it will be.

My final note… a good instructor will be able to guide your practice without interrupting the class. I’ll repeat my previous advise: Stop analyzing, stop all the “what will…” “what if…”

If you are about to go thru surgery, I wouldn’t even bother to start the practice, until you get clearance from your doctor. Yet, your problem seems to be on your mind, more than on your body.

  • ok patyal- i’ll go to a class any class as you suggest and when the teacher says to me "did you take a beginner class perhaps that will better fit yur needs, i’ll say i told you so…

this is becoming like the breathing my therapist “hounded” me to do… i did it 3-5/day with a VERY open mind… i felt no difference

lastly- i have a PHYSICAL medical prob which needs surgery.