Should one take siddhis vibhuti as metaphor?

Surya,

“Of course Yoga is about control”

Effort is certainly needed, but effort in itself is not enough. Does a mirror reflect by it’s own nature, or does a lotus chase after it’s own fragrance ? Your own true nature is not something that can be done as an effort of the mind, much less living in communion with it. And along the path, there comes a point where if you continue pedaling the wheels of your effort, you will simply stagnate. Because beyond the second dhyana, it is impossible to progress forward through either concentration, contemplation, or any conscious effort of the mind. That would be like trying to still the lake by throwing stones in it.

““The very definition of Yoga is to still the modifications of the field of mind””

To do so through your own will is like trying to grasp the vastness of space into your fist.

“When you are not doing Yoga, you are allowing your mind to run by its own tendencies”

Yoga is enlightenment itself. It simply means union. If you are living in a direct communion with your true nature, then you are in a state of yoga. Neither is it a problem if the mind functions according to it’s own tendencies. The problem is that you have made such a thing into a problem because one is unable to have an experience of mind without clinging to whatever arises in the field of the senses. The moment the mind becomes identified with anything at all, one loses all clarity of perception, one has become the slave rather than remain centered as the master.

All that is needed is just a certain gap of space in your experience between the Witness within oneself and that which is witnessed. Once you can remain a witnessing consciousness from moment to moment without identifying with anything whatsoever, then you have come to a certain freedom beyond measure. Then you can remain in the mind but not of the mind, with a consciousness which is just like a mirror reflecting. And that is what has been called as sahaja samadhi in the yogic sciences, when your samadhi becomes as natural and spontaneous as your own breath. The mind is not something that one necessarily needs to control, the purpose is to liberate the mind.

“the purpose of Yoga is to gain mastery of the mind. If you become a master of your mind, then you will become a master of matter as well. Hence a master of the universe.”

Once, Matsu went to master Nanyue. Nanyue asked, “What do you intend by doing sitting meditation?”

Matsu said, “I am intending to be a Buddha.”

Nanyue picked up a brick and started polishing it.

Mazu said, “What are you doing?”

Nanyue said, “I am trying to make a mirror.”

Mazu said, “How can you make a mirror by polishing a brick?”

Nanyue said, “How can you become a Buddha by doing sitting meditation?”

Mazu said, “What do you mean by that?”

Nanyue said, “Think about driving a cart. When it stops moving, do you whip the cart or the horse?”

Mazu said nothing.

Nanyue said, “Do you want to practicing sitting meditation or sitting Buddha? If you understanding sitting meditation, you will know that it is not about sitting or lying down. If you want to learn sitting Buddha, know that sitting Buddha is without any fixed form. Do not use discrimination in the non-abiding Truth. If you practice sitting as a Buddha, you must first kill the Buddha. If you are attached to the sitting form, you are not yet mastering the essential principle.”

Surya,

“The signs of entering it are unmistakable. The senses will shut down and you will introvert into your mind and see all your thought activity as clear as day light. Then you will enter the stage of dharana where you will assume the object for meditation(different objects will produce different effects in Sabija Samadhi) After a sustained period of dharana you will enter dhyana. After a sustained period of dhyana you will enter into samadhi. The first levels of samadhi you enter will be all Sabjia samadhi(samadhi with seed i.e., dual awareness of you and your object) Then Samyama will take place and the effect will happen based on what object you selected at dharana. If your object was the udana vayu, at samyama you will have complete control of udana vayu.”

If you had seen into this, you would know by now that most of this is just like a flower blossoming in it’s season. You are thinking it to be a matter of pulling a lotus out of a seed.

The Scales,

"He doesn’t know of what he speaks.

He speaks of ego all the time because that is his work"

I have spoken of it because that is your work, the same work and game that you have been playing for millenia. It is not that one has an ego which has been manufacturing much suffering for man, but that one has become far too identified with one’s ego. The ego, like every part of the mind, has a particular function to fulfill, and when it is put into balance within the rest of one’s structure, it is in fact supportive for one’s expansion. But the whole problem is that one has mistaken a mask for one’s original face.

“I’m special.” “The rest of the World isn’t like me.” “they couldn’t do what I do.” etc…"

My understanding and state of being has not arisen because I am special in any way. It is simply because I have done the work that is needed to come to know myself. And anybody who is willing to initiate the right effort and discipline can come to the same. One may like it or dislike it, but although all beings are by their very nature awakened, the reality is that very few ever come to it’s realization.

“He has NOT achieved Samyama. If he did he wouldn’t express his incorrect views regarding attainments - being the maverick intrepid explorer he is.”

Seeing that you are as far away from your awakening as possible, you would not have even the slightest idea of what Samyama is besides the borrowed knowledge that you have gathered into your mind. Drop all of your assumptions and enter into the matter as an empty slate, in recognition of your own ignorance.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;49668]The Scales,

"He doesn’t know of what he speaks.

He speaks of ego all the time because that is his work"

I have spoken of it because that is your work, the same work and game that you have been playing for millenia. It is not that one has an ego which has been manufacturing much suffering for man, but that one has become far too identified with one’s ego. The ego, like every part of the mind, has a particular function to fulfill, and when it is put into balance within the rest of one’s structure, it is in fact supportive for one’s expansion. But the whole problem is that one has mistaken a mask for one’s original face.

“I’m special.” “The rest of the World isn’t like me.” “they couldn’t do what I do.” etc…"

My understanding and state of being has not arisen because I am special in any way. It is simply because I have done the work that is needed to come to know myself. And anybody who is willing to initiate the right effort and discipline can come to the same. One may like it or dislike it, but although all beings are by their very nature awakened, the reality is that very few ever come to it’s realization.

“He has NOT achieved Samyama. If he did he wouldn’t express his incorrect views regarding attainments - being the maverick intrepid explorer he is.”

Seeing that you are as far away from your awakening as possible, you would not have even the slightest idea of what Samyama is besides the borrowed knowledge that you have gathered into your mind. Drop all of your assumptions and enter into the matter as an empty slate, in recognition of your own ignorance.[/QUOTE]

But are you not doing the same as regards ego?

The Scales wears his ego as an Ornament. It is my entertainment system and my prod to action within the world.

I know what I really am.

I’ve seen the real me many times.

Why do they always project their ‘stuff’ on me?

Why?

Mr. Walking Fortune Cookie I have you on ignore. Have had you on ignore. Will continue to keep you on ignore. If only no one would respond to you then I would never have to read you quoted in someone else’s post and this would make my ego very happy.

lol

Kareng,

No.

Scales,

Ok.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;49961]Kareng,

No.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering in what way is it different to you

I can use the ego without being identified with it.

How do you do that Amir?

Through self-observation, it happens. But it cannot be done.

I don’t see how that answers it.
Are you saying you can write things that appear to show ego but because you know it through self observation, you can ignore it?

If Amir is using his ego, then who is Amir then?

kareng,

“I don’t see how that answers it.”

Then you have not understood. What is required is a witnessing consciousness which is capable of seeing whatever may arise in one’s experience without either attraction towards or aversion from, neither liking nor disliking, without clinging to whatever may arise in one’s experience. Even the ego is something that you can remain a witness of. And once you can remain just like a mirror reflecting without becoming identified, then even ego becomes a tool in the hands of a master.

The very idea that certain things are more egoistic than others is itself egoistic. That is why “humble” people are rarely ever liberated from the ego. Because they already have fixed ideas as to what it means to be humble, that humbleness is a kind of superior quality. Because of this they start trying to revolve their whole personality around a certain self-image of humbleness.

A Buddha is one who is liberated from clinging to any idea of a self-image. Even the idea of being a Buddha does not pass by one’s mind. It is just like one who is already free, thinking about freedom. One only considers the idea of freedom if one has been a slave. If you are already free, what is the need to think about it ? You can live absorbed in that state. One can use the ego without it being a problem, neither in favor of it, neither in disfavor of it. And if once in a while, if there are traces of being entangled in the ego, one can remain a witness and continue on one’s way, undisturbed.