Subject/object relationship

Thanks Hubert for your responses. About the fool thingy, I enjoyed reading that post and also may I say that the fact that you don’t mind it as much or not at all like before when you feel like a fool, indicates that you are in fact starting to stop believing in you (read: your mind) ;). This means that the distinction between yourself and the mind is greater than before, hence your freedom is increasing. I think you are doing good.

Tubeseeker:
The philosophies that I speak of are the realizations I have had after contemplation and meditation. If I would be able to experience them fully in first person, I would be enlightened, and I am sorry to say I am not ;). However, they are direct realizations and I can experience them to some extend. Some more than others.

It is more like I can see the truth, but not yet take that essential and final dive into it. I can taste it, but I do not allow myself to eat it yet. I know it, I can see things clearly I must say, but there are some obstacles of which i am more than aware of. They will be overcome and hopefully then I will take that dive into infinity. It is all up to me really. I feel that the pool I can see and draw knowledge from, lies there in front of me. All I need now to take the dive, is by taking the decision to let go of all that I believe to be me. I have to die, not physically, but consciously my mind has to cease, my attachment to it anyway.

So I can honestly say that these things, or philosophies if you prefer, I am sharing is first-hand material. No book is quoted or distorted into telling them. I can experience these things I am talking about, I can taste the freedom, hence I can talk about the taste and what I see, but to me, the true experience is that of the final stage… which is yet to come.

Love & Light
B.

good luck in the final stage that you seek, jump in the pool and have fun man
seeker

Haha thank you friend =), your blessings are welcome.

[QUOTE=Hubert;7595]I don’t even have a car. I have a licence though. But I rarely drive. When I do, I enjoy it so much, that I am sure it is a sin. :D[/QUOTE]

Enjoyment, may be a prerequisite to joy; surely not sin; joy is not an emotion…:smiley:

[QUOTE=Hubert;7617]Nice thread. I agree with Bentinho’s philosophical point of view, I mean I can relate to it mentally. But I feel that it is all reduction, and so it is not too inspiring.
My mind cannot be satisfied, but my heart can. I long for knowledge, but I do not believe that the higher we go, the more impersonal and emotionless we become, on the contrary. Perhaps I am wrong (it would not be the first case) but when I long for knowledge, I long for something higher, to be more, and not less. I am not satisfied with what I think I am now … even though I accept myself. I want to go “so deep that the mountains gonna weep”, as Leonard Cohen says. But perhaps this is just gratification of certain emotions.

The more I visit and post this forum, the more like a fool I feel … but strangley, I do not mind it as I would do it before. :)[/QUOTE]

There is a difference between knowledge, and knowing; applied knowledge is wisdom…
there is a difference of having emotions and being ruled by their pendulum, and experiencing joy, which is not an emotion…
as far as foolishness is concerned, the only fools i have met are the real serious ones…:smiley: