Yes, but I do not prefer for you to become intimidated or misunderstand my intent.
You will need to intensify your desire, and delve deeply into these practices.
[QUOTE=JenniLeigh;60209]“This is not a belief for me, this is my path in life now. It is my mission now to bring the Vedic civilisation back on this planet. This is why I am going in India in a search of a guru. I want to do great tapasya/sadhana to develop the will power, intellect, presence and fortune to succeed in my mission in making this whole world Aryan. Dharma will return to this planet. I will make sure of it.”
Surya,
Dharma is inseparable from existance. What you would like is for the world and it’s inhabitants to live according to your desires. This is the opposite of what a sage or guru is.[/QUOTE]
There have been many day dreamers, in India for the most part, who think that they are attempting get “vedic civilization” back. Some of them belong to extreme right wing in India. A true vedic guru can never think of that, because he can not be one unless he detaches from the attachments like “vedic/non-vedic”.
To some extent, that is what even Hitler wanted to happen (by many accounts, he thought he is aryan). We all know what were the results.
However, most parts of the world are advanced enough, to determine their own path. No worries…!!
[QUOTE=JenniLeigh;60211]Yes, but I do not prefer for you to become intimidated or misunderstand my intent.
You will need to intensify your desire, and delve deeply into these practices.[/QUOTE]
It sounds quite pompous I would have prefered you to address more the topic instead of going for such subtle ad hominem remarks. But in all cases, I am of the opinion that there is also room for improvement for everyone on Earth.
All the best,
Philippe
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Do you believe I had not been aware this would be your reaction?
It means nothing to me.
You had a distinct opportunity to be receptive.
There will be no improvement of any kind, for anyone without it.
It is not fear from which I write Yaram, but thank you.
Surya,
If you manage to locate an authentic guru, as a disciple you will be rejected.
[QUOTE=JenniLeigh;60226]: )
Do you believe I had not been aware this would be your reaction?
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The fact is that you hardly know anything about me and you are making big claims full of certitude. One does not need to get trikaladrishti siddhi to guess such a reaction, indeed.
Philippe
yaram,
"A true vedic guru can never think of that, because he can not be one unless he detaches from the attachments like “vedic/non-vedic”
An authentic guru would not be dependent upon any scripture or authority in the first place, nor would he think of himself as “Vedic” or “Hindu”. The word guru itself simply means the dispeller of darkness. It is only if you have dispelled the darkness of your own unconsciousness within yourself, that you are capable of assisting others towards consciousness. And consciousness itself is neither large nor small, black or white, Vedic or non-vedic, consciousness is simply consciousness. It is impossible for a master to continue thinking of oneself as an independent entity, or a limited identity - that is one of the essential insights in the experience of awakening. But yet - others continue chasing shadows, imposing all kinds of false restrictions as “Hindu”, “Buddhist”, “Christian”, which is just an identification of the ego as a replacement for ones true self. Because one has yet to awaken to ones true self, one needs to cling to a certain kind of personality as a replacement.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;60235]yaram,
"A true vedic guru can never think of that, because he can not be one unless he detaches from the attachments like “vedic/non-vedic”
An authentic guru would not be dependent upon any scripture or authority in the first place, nor would he think of himself as “Vedic” or “Hindu”. The word guru itself simply means the dispeller of darkness. It is only if you have dispelled the darkness of your own unconsciousness within yourself, that you are capable of assisting others towards consciousness. And consciousness itself is neither large nor small, black or white, Vedic or non-vedic, consciousness is simply consciousness. It is impossible for a master to continue thinking of oneself as an independent entity, or a limited identity - that is one of the essential insights in the experience of awakening. But yet - others continue chasing shadows, imposing all kinds of false restrictions as “Hindu”, “Buddhist”, “Christian”, which is just an identification of the ego as a replacement for ones true self. Because one has yet to awaken to ones true self, one needs to cling to a certain kind of personality as a replacement.[/QUOTE]
You have no right to speak what an authentic guru would or would not do, because you simply have no idea. You want us to discard the words of the ancient rishis who have handed down us the tradition of yoga and instead start understanding that you are enlightened. Who on this board do you think is stupid enough to listen to you?
[QUOTE=yaram;60191]Am not sure about other religious texts as regards “violence” like Bible etc…
The “violence” aspect of “Bhagavat Geeta”(which is part of Maha bharata) is affirmed by Krishna himself…!!
When Arjuna asks Krishna why he has to kill so many people, Krishna simply says something like: “That is your job…Do not expect the result of your action”. ([B]I do not know whether that is a metaphor or real intent[/B]).[/QUOTE]
What you so oversimplificate as violence happens to be fight the war of Dharma and not let the world be ruled by ruthless people.
What you also ignore is the metaphorical level to fight the fight within, vanquish adharma within, and win the war in our own personal kshetra, be it internal (our mind) and external (our life).
[B]Would you stop spreading blatant uneducated misinformation?[/B]
You already confirmed to everyone that you either have really impaired cognitive abilities or is just doing this for the fun of trolling.
[QUOTE=Pietro Impagliazzo;60240]What you so oversimplificate as violence happens to be fight the war of Dharma and not let the world be ruled by ruthless people.
What you also ignore is the metaphorical level to fight the fight within, vanquish adharma within, and win the war in our own personal kshetra, be it internal (our mind) and external (our life).
[B]Would you stop spreading blatant uneducated misinformation?[/B]
You already confirmed to everyone that you either have really impaired cognitive abilities or is just doing this for the fun of trolling.[/QUOTE]
I never said anything new…You can read Geeta, if you are really interested.
[QUOTE=yaram;60241]I never said anything new…You can read Geeta, if you are really interested.[/QUOTE]
It doesn’t matter if it’s new or old. It’s still an uneducated opinion presenting a shallow understanding of a text that condeses and synthesizes Hindu metaphysics so brilliantly, no wonder great minds admire it!
I’ve read the Gita, for many years, studied with many people. I’ll keep on doing so.
[QUOTE=Pietro Impagliazzo;60243]It doesn’t matter if it’s new or old. It’s still an uneducated opinion presenting a shallow understanding of a text that condeses and synthesizes Hindu metaphysics so brilliantly, no wonder great minds admire it!
I’ve read the Gita, for many years, studied with many people. I’ll keep on doing so.[/QUOTE]
Quick question: Are you born into a Hindu family? Are you living in India?
I am asking because knowledge alone will not give good perspective and somehow I think one should live in a complex society like India to relate, appreciate and understand Gita.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;60236]You have no right to speak what an authentic guru would or would not do, because you simply have no idea. You want us to discard the words of the ancient rishis who have handed down us the tradition of yoga and instead start understanding that you are enlightened. [B]Who on this board do you think is stupid enough to listen to you?[/B][/QUOTE]
I do listen and agree with what Amir has said…!!
Sarva,
“You have no right to speak what an authentic guru would or would not do, because you simply have no idea. You want us to discard the words of the ancient rishis who have handed down us the tradition of yoga”
I want you to know this, that even the ancient rishis are not in absolute agreement with each other. And the whole history of Indian philosophy is there as evidence for it. There is a reason why a million and one different sects, some violently opposed to one another, have come into being - in all of the traditions in India without exception, the yogic traditions included. Unless you understand why this is the case, you will be unable to see deeper into the essential matter. At present, you problem is that because of your attachment, you are thinking of “Hinduism” as something static and fixed. All those who are clinging to a belief system are doing the same.
“Who on this board do you think is stupid enough to listen to you?”
If one is receptive enough, it will be very simple to understand what I am saying, but even that is just superficial. It will be impossible to truly understand what I am pointing towards unless you come to a direct experience. Until then, you should doubt what I am saying. But it is not only myself which you should doubt, but your own beliefs, assumptions, and attachments which one has accepted without question.
“and instead start understanding that you are enlightened”
Whether I am so called “enlightened”, is not relevant at all. Accept it or not accept it, will not be of any help - because all that you have is a useless belief. I do not make any discrimination between the so called “enlightened” and the “unenlightened”, the wise and the ignorant. If desiring to know of the Way, you should know that all forms of dualistic thinking are illusory - they are just projections of thought. Even “enlightenment” is another limiting concept that is to be emptied out.
Yaram, please tell us what your age is. You do not seem to have even a basic understanding of Hinduism. If you want to learn about your own religion, we can give you some suggestions for reading. One example is the Bhagavad Gita with commentary of Swami Chinmayananda. This may be of interest for you. It is freely available for download at: http://www.chinmayauk.org/Resources/Downloads.htm
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;60249]Yaram, please tell us what your age is. You do not seem to have even a basic understanding of Hinduism. If you want to learn about your own religion, we can give you some suggestions for reading.
One example is the Bhagavad Gita with commentary of Swami Chinmayananda. This may be of interest for you. It is freely available for download at: http://www.chinmayauk.org/Resources/Downloads.htm[/QUOTE]
I do daily listening of Gita…I am 40 years old…born in India and in a Hindu family…and practicing Hindu (not like some converted stuff).
I have the original Sanskrit version of Geeta as well as its translations in an Indian regional language.
If you have real conflicts with what I am saying here in the forum, you can ignore me and mind your own stuff. Nobody compels you to watch this forum thread…!!
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It seems, there are members with multiple user-id’s posting on this forum…They may be playing double games as well.
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If you really quote something like “our sages”, “our traditions” etc…please let us know what is that you practice as a religion and where you do live. That makes the “our” claim a bit clearer…!!
(based on subscribed mails for this forum postings)Philipe,
“When I talk about the Individual, it is not the body, neither the mind. I am not talking about the self as ahamkara which is a part of the ever changing Prakriti, I am talking about jivatman which is transcendent to talk technically though it is projected in Prakriti (what Sri Aurobindo called the psychic being), there is a metaphysical bound with the jiva. The error of perception and ignorance are parts of the functioning of the body-mind complex. What we call usually self is a superficial construction of the being always changing. But even Prakriti is a manifestation of the Source.”
All of these words that you are using, “jiva”, “Prakriti”, do you truly understand what they are referring to, or are you just repeating what others have told you ?
If everything in existence is interconnected in such a way, that it is impossible for anything to function separately - then these words such as “Prakriti” and “jiva” are nothing more than models to try and help certain things become more accessible to the intellect. This does not mean that these models are the reality itself, the are an attempt to represent the reality. As far as the expansion of consciousness is concerned, there is nothing which can be called truly transcendental. If Truth is the very stuff that you are made of, then from where have you gotten this idea of transcendence ? There is nothing to transcend. You can expand in your awareness beyond your present limitations, become more conscious of dimensions which are already within you - but you cannot transcend that which one cannot escape.
If you truly want to come to know of what existence is - then everything needs to be accepted, nothing, absolutely nothing can be repressed. If you cling to the “Oneness” of your true nature at the expense of the thousand and one shapes and forms, then you are clinging to one extreme. If you are clinging to the thousand and one shapes and forms at the expense of “Oneness”, then you are clinging to another extreme. The source of existence and its millions of expressions are not separate. And what is needed is for integration is to come to such an awareness - that your consciousness is as multidimensional as the universe itself, penetrating from the deepest roots to all of the countless leaves and branches of the tree. If you think that liberation is merely becoming absorbed in Oneness with a vegetable like intelligence, then one is mistaken. This is just an escape from reality - because one knows very well that if one returns to the ordinary world, one is going to suffer. So you protect yourself in a shell of Oneness. This can become a natural tendency if you are attached to those traditions who have been speaking constantly about renunciation of the world. The strange thing is that if a person is truly free, then wherever he goes and whatever he does, one is going to be liberated. If you are involved in the world, you are going to be liberated. If you are not involved in the world, then too you are liberated. If your balance can be disturbed by something as simple as living in the world - then your peace and liberation is very fragile. At any moment, it can come crashing down. This is not the true liberation.
You should contact the administrator of this forum if you have any doubts about multiply IDs, or wait that is going to expose yourself.