What is Kundalini rising?

[QUOTE=bjoy;55447][QUOTE=core789;55437]…lol

Look at my fingers HaHA.

  • vibrations?

Jai Shree Mataji[/QUOTE]

Hi bjoy,

On reflection i realised i was more talking nonsense and joking around.I think i had an image of a crystal ball-gazer conjured up in my mind when i looked at some of Sri Matajee’s pictures.

You’re right , i know nothing about Sahaja yoga.What seems slightly apparent is it’s distinctiveness in terms of some of it’s techniques and how the subtle body/bodies are activated.The cool breeze on the forehead or rather above at the crown more like is classic kundalini symptoms or effects and i can attest to it myself…simply knowing what look for it though very subtle.It is often a sign of activity in the crown and/or third-eye at least i believe.Some folk might find some of the theory unorthdox but then again as i say i don’t know enough abou it.The waving the hands over the head or heart areas almost sounds more like an attunment technique that you might see in reiki or say EFT. But these are thing i don’t know enough about. It’s typically a stand aloneyoga i get the impression. And perhaps some folk are also just warning of the issue of guru-dependeency or even guru-worhsip and the pitfalls for the unwary. The problem when you have someone assume great influence is that when folk take every last word of the guru for gospel truth and hang on it say they don’t research or authentically question or seek out themself( it lazy to trust someone else because ther’e less work) then they can be open to manipulation and and being heavily influenced by such a person.In other words they stop questioning anything that is being said. So i think it always wise to question even the so called gurus. or those that may have assumed some sort of quasi-guru status like that.Also the prescriptions they may hand out you might want to modify as you see fit perhaps. She seems like an alright person.I’ve still to watch that link posted earlier but yes you are very right. No point dishing something without giving it a fair assessment.But it is intriguing that some may dismissit as complete garbage and i think i can understand why they might say that for some of the reasons i mentioned.That is obviously not to say it is though.It is cerrtainly intriguing.

There are so many yogas out there that i probably would’nt have the time to road-test this one (one has to be selective)going by the website that i visited because the time-scales were typically over about a year perhaps to get to grips with it i suppose and therfore give it a fair appraisal. I did actually try some of the techinques although i probably was’nt quite up to speed with it or familar with what i was meant to be doing. I just watched a couple of u-tube type videos i think it was. I also previewed very briefly indeed the course they had written up online.

Was i doing it right or long enough?. I simply don’t know. But i did’nt feel compelled enough to continue exploring. Just because i’d rather stick with what i know, am familar with and know will produce results.There is also the dangers of getting stuck within the ridgity of a monlothis system without mustering the couraage to break free or at least be flexible.Does it work? ( and i mean for YOU) seems to be one of the main questions to only be concerned with.Why does it work or why does’nt it work so well etc etc.

Most techniques or apporaches will take you Home as long as the practitioner/seeker is sincere and willing. In some ways the technique can be secondary or less important, some might venture irrelevant( although when you do say that then you can get into the area of placebo and mind ovver-matter. i do believe yoga is a science that can be raionalised and understood) and the main ingredient bhakti or spiritual desire. How badly do you want whatever you think you’re gooing to get?

Bottom line is it is good to question whatever teachings are being conveyed to you.A credible good teacher or guru etc i think should teach his/her student to always question what’s indeed is being taught at least at a certain stage after they’ve learned the ropes and find out forthemself. That way they can become independent from even so called gurus , i.e not depdent on anyone and can think for themself, i.e autonomous.That is why they say an authentic guru will only point the finger to inner guru residing within us all. But it might to take you a while to get in touch within inner guru and cultivate that relationship and those insights.If any kind of teacher/guru is just saying beleive everything i say then he/she sounds like he’s not doing his/her job properly.Indeed you could be led down a garden path of some sort perhaps.

Always question is a good idea.

None of the people who are giving your ‘guru’ props and congratulations are yogis. So how would they know she is a fraud?

They wouldn’t.

I however do know that Jabba the Hut is indeed a fraud.

and bjoy please don’t attempt to belittle my understanding. I’ve forgotten more about yoga and this phenomenal universe than your fat sweaty guru ever knew.

Where she does have me beat is: being a fat bon bon eating slug who Talks Nonsense, pulls the wool over peoples eyes, pretends to be a guru when in fact she is a charlatan, and gathers chelas and milks them to o create a spiritual empire built on asat.

MOOOOOOO.

It should not be taken for granted that the Kundalini energy is something that is already there. That is a tremendous misunderstanding. It is there, in the sense that it is there just as a seed, just as a potential. Otherwise, it is not there in the sense that if you do not do the work that is needed, that potential will never blossom into a living reality. That is why it is far better to understand that what we are calling “Kundalini” is something that is created by you - as you are you have only the ingredients but you have to combine them together in a particular way. It is a kind of alchemy, of transmuting certain energies from one form into another form. Just as in chemistry you can combine several different chemicals together to form different substances, each with their own effect, similarly it is the case at the level of the subtle body. What we call “Kundalini” is a by product of certain subtle energies coming together within the sushumna, the central channel of the spinal cord. This central channel contains two other subtler channels. The subtlest of them contains a passageway through which the “Kundalini” enters, called the door of Brahman. It is through the door of Brahman that the “Kundalini”, once it is created, starts rising up the sushumna - activating each of the chakras in turn.

There are several life energies flowing through one’s system. In the awakening of Kundalini, two of them are of our concern, prana and apana. Prana is at the level of the heart and corresponds to the energy flowing through the ida nadi on the left side of the spinal cord. Apana is at the sacral level, and also corresponds to the energy which is flowing through the pingala nadi on the right side of the spinal cord. Prana is negatively charged, apana is positively charged - and when the two are combined together, there is a certain “explosion” of energy that takes place which has been called the Kundalini. That is precisely what one is trying to do through such methods as Maha Bandha. Prana at the chest flows in an upward direction, apana at the sacral level flows in a downward direction - and what you are trying to do is to reverse the directions of these subtle energies. Through a practice like Maha Bandha, prana is made to flow downwards, apana is made to flow upwards, and when these two energies meet at the navel, there is a certain reaction that happens in the sushumna which we call the awakening of Kundalini.

The work of awakening Kundalini involves bringing these two life energies together and forcing them into the sushumna of the spinal cord. That is why the sushumna channel is considered one of the most significant nadis in the yogic sciences, because both the awakening of Kundalini and the ascending of Kundalini, takes place within the sushumna nadi. So some work is needed to create a certain preparedness of the sushumna so that it can become a suitable vessel for such an energy.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;55490]It should not be taken for granted that the Kundalini energy is something that is already there. That is a tremendous misunderstanding. It is there, in the sense that it is there just as a seed, just as a potential. Otherwise, it is not there in the sense that if you do not do the work that is needed, that potential will never blossom into a living reality. That is why it is far better to understand that what we are calling “Kundalini” is something that is created by you - as you are you have only the ingredients but you have to combine them together in a particular way. It is a kind of alchemy, of transmuting certain energies from one form into another form. Just as in chemistry you can combine several different chemicals together to form different substances, each with their own effect, similarly it is the case at the level of the subtle body. What we call “Kundalini” is a by product of certain subtle energies coming together within the sushumna, the central channel of the spinal cord. This central channel contains two other subtler channels. The subtlest of them contains a passageway through which the “Kundalini” enters, called the door of Brahman. It is through the door of Brahman that the “Kundalini”, once it is created, starts rising up the sushumna - activating each of the chakras in turn.

There are several life energies flowing through one’s system. In the awakening of Kundalini, two of them are of our concern, prana and apana. Prana is at the level of the heart and corresponds to the energy flowing through the ida nadi on the left side of the spinal cord. Apana is at the sacral level, and also corresponds to the energy which is flowing through the pingala nadi on the right side of the spinal cord. Prana is negatively charged, apana is positively charged - and when the two are combined together, there is a certain “explosion” of energy that takes place which has been called the Kundalini. That is precisely what one is trying to do through such methods as Maha Bandha. Prana at the chest flows in an upward direction, apana at the sacral level flows in a downward direction - and what you are trying to do is to reverse the directions of these subtle energies. Through a practice like Maha Bandha, prana is made to flow downwards, apana is made to flow upwards, and when these two energies meet at the navel, there is a certain reaction that happens in the sushumna which we call the awakening of Kundalini.

The work of awakening Kundalini involves bringing these two life energies together and forcing them into the sushumna of the spinal cord. That is why the sushumna channel is considered one of the most significant nadis in the yogic sciences, because both the awakening of Kundalini and the ascending of Kundalini, takes place within the sushumna nadi. So some work is needed to create a certain preparedness of the sushumna so that it can become a suitable vessel for such an energy.[/QUOTE]

As I said.

Those who claim to know something of this - don’t really.

and those that really do - won’t tell you.

P.S. I also love how this foolish snake always talks in ambiguity.

certain. work. doing. tremendous. certain energies.

BLAH. BLAH. BLAH. BLAH. BLAH. BLAH. He drones on for 10 minutes and says absolutely

Nothing.

Scales,

That is fine, but being as asleep as you are, I do not consider your perceptions to be of any value.

“Those who claim to know something of this - don’t really.
and those that really do - won’t tell you.”

It seems that somebody else’s voice has hijacjed your mind. Otherwise, if you had seen into the heart of the matter - it would be impossible to say such a thing.

For those who know, to remain silent would be an even greater disservice to all those who have the potential to realize themselves. That is why a man like Gautama Buddha was speaking unceasingly for 40 years, constantly traveling. Bodhidharma had traveled from India to China, an enormous trip in those days, just to spread the message of awakening. Patanjali could not keep his mouth shut and ended up drooling all over his sutras. Jiddu Krishnamurti refused to remain silent, and kept on speaking until his dying day. One’s understanding has nothing to do with whether one is speaking or not speaking. Just as there are those who do not speak and have no understanding, similarly there are those who speak and have tremendous understanding - whether one is speaking or not speaking, that is not the critereon. In fact, if it weren’t for those who decided not to remain silent about the matter, most of what you know of the yogic sciences today would not even exist. If certain masters have said things like “those who speak, do not know”, if you think they are talking about the physical act of speaking - you have missed the whole point. They were just saying that, if you have really come to your liberation, then you are not going to be blinded by all of the knowledge you have gathered in the mind. And because there are those who know nothing else except the borrowed knowledge they have gathered, when such people speak - they may seem tremendously knowledgeable, but deep within themselves the man is in the dark, he is as ignorant as he has always been.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;55510]Scales,

That is fine, but being as asleep as you are, I do not consider your perceptions to be of any value.

“Those who claim to know something of this - don’t really.
and those that really do - won’t tell you.”

It seems that somebody else’s voice has hijacjed your mind. Otherwise, if you had seen into the heart of the matter - it would be impossible to say such a thing.

For those who know, to remain silent would be an even greater disservice to all those who have the potential to realize themselves. That is why a man like Gautama Buddha was speaking unceasingly for 40 years, constantly traveling. Bodhidharma had traveled from India to China, an enormous trip in those days, just to spread the message of awakening. Patanjali could not keep his mouth shut and ended up drooling all over his sutras. Jiddu Krishnamurti refused to remain silent, and kept on speaking until his dying day. One’s understanding has nothing to do with whether one is speaking or not speaking. Just as there are those who do not speak and have no understanding, similarly there are those who speak and have tremendous understanding - whether one is speaking or not speaking, that is not the critereon. In fact, if it weren’t for those who decided not to remain silent about the matter, most of what you know of the yogic sciences today would not even exist. If certain masters have said things like “those who speak, do not know”, if you think they are talking about the physical act of speaking - you have missed the whole point. They were just saying that, if you have really come to your liberation, then you are not going to be blinded by all of the knowledge you have gathered in the mind. And because there are those who know nothing else except the borrowed knowledge they have gathered, when such people speak - they may seem tremendously knowledgeable, but deep within themselves the man is in the dark, he is as ignorant as he has always been.[/QUOTE]

I knew someone would take the bait on this topic.

Core doesn’t bother me.

But you?

Eh…

You think liberation and enlightenment is associated with kundalini?

How Popular.

“You think liberation and enlightenment is associated with kundalini?”

No. Like any energy, it can be used in countless different ways depending on the hands which are using them. If you are using Kundalini as a means, then either it can lead you towards an even deeper unconsciousness, or it can lead towards more and more awareness. So if Kundalini is used as a stairway towards one’s liberation, then one will have to figure out in what way it can be used for such a thing. The same is the case with any method, even meditation. There are people who have been practicing meditation for almost their whole lives, and they have remained asleep. Because if you are going to use meditation, what is needed is not meditation in itself - that is the greatest misunderstanding. What is needed is right meditation.

deja vu

There are people who have been practicing meditation for almost their whole lives, and they have remained asleep.

escapist

[QUOTE=core789;55477]That is why they say an authentic guru will only point the finger to[B] inner guru[/B] residing within us all.[/QUOTE] One of the main targets in SY is to become guru.

Pear Martini,

For properly understanding what it is, some tantric cosmology background is mandatory, as K rising is nothing but the reversal of the creation but in a microcosmic (person) level.

Learn what the evolution of the tattvas is, what nadis and chakras are, and you will understand what K rising is.

Namaskar

“One of the main targets in SY is to become guru.”

As asleep as it’s founder is, such a thing would be tremendously dangerous.

[QUOTE=Seeker33;55621]One of the main targets in SY is to become guru.[/QUOTE]

not guru. its Self Guru.

Christ Jesus was waiting at a well in Samaria, while his disciples went to the city to buy some food, when a Samaritan woman came along and drew some water from the well. Christ asked her for a drink, whereupon she was very surprised, because Jews did not normally have anything to do with the Samaritans. Then Christ told her about the “Living Water”. He said to her:

“Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him, shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him, shall become in him a well of water, springing up to eternal life!” (Christ Jesus - John 4:13b-14)

[The “Living Water” that Christ was talking about was what the Hindus call “Kundalini”, which means, “coiled energy”. Kundalini energy is what Christians call “the power of the Holy Ghost”. This power of the Holy Ghost is located in the Sacrum Bone. The Greeks called it “sacrum” meaning “sacred”. They obviously knew the secret knowledge of our inner being, which has been the sacrum’s sacred secret! Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has been revealing this secret knowledge of our inner being for the last 30 years or so, and this is what She said regarding the power of the Holy Ghost]:

“Now I would like to tell [you], the secret knowledge of our inner being, which was known in India thousands of years ago. For our evolution and spiritual ascent, there is a residual power within us, which is located in the triangular bone [“the sacrum”] at the base of our spine. This residual power was available thousands of years ago in India. The awakening of the Kundalini was traditionally done on an individual basis only. One guru would give awakening to one disciple. As a result of that awakening, what happens is that you achieve your Self Realisation, your Selfhood. Secondly, when this power is awakened, it rises and passes through six subtle energy centres in your body, nourishing them and integrating them. Ultimately the power breaks through the fontanelle bone area, called Talu or Divine love, which is described in the Bible also as the “cool breeze [Wind] of the Holy Ghost”. In the Koran, it is also known as “Ruh” and in the Indian scriptures, [it is known as] “Paramchaitanya”. Patanjali has called it “Ritambhara Pragya”. Whatever the name, this is a power, which is all pervading, which does all the subtle work of the living process, of the evolutionary process. The existence of this all-pervading energy is not felt before Realisation… but after Self Realisation; you can feel it on your fingertips or at the centre of your palm, or above the fontanelle bone area.”

[The “living water” (a.k.a. Kundalini) has the ability to thoroughly wash away a person’s sin, error or negativity (whichever you prefer to call it). Sin, error, or negativity is anything that separates a person from the Divine, from God. In Christianity, it is said that “one’s garments are washed whiter than snow”, implying that these are “inner” and not outer garments. The Psalmist sang about the power of God, to wash his inner garments from all sin, error, or negativity, making them “whiter than snow”. It is obvious that the Psalmist was referring to the energy centres or chakras, that are part and parcel of every human being’s psychosomatic (mind/body) system. Here is the Psalmist’s Song]:

“Be gracious to me, O God, according to Thy loving-kindness; according to the greatness of Thy compassion, blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.” (Psalm 51:2) “Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.” (Psalm 51:7b)

The kundalini energy, power of the Holy Spirit, washes a person’s sin, error, or negativity, whiter than snow and connects him to the Kingdom of God within. "The nucleus inside every atom or molecule has the Spirit of that [atom or] molecule. If you become your Spirit, we can say that the brain of the atom or molecule is the body of the nucleus, but the one who controls that nucleus, is the Spirit that resides within the nucleus. So now you have got the attention of the whole body of the atom [or molecule] and inside the nucleus is the Spirit. In the same way, we have this body, the attention of the body, and then we have the nucleus that is the brain, [but then] the Spirit that is in the heart, controls the brain.

Now the Spirit is watching through this aura; ‘watching’. I am again saying ‘watching’ through this aura. This aura is watching the behaviour of your seven centres in your brain. It is also watching all the nerves that are working the brain. ‘Watching’; again. But when you bring the Spirit into your brain, then you go two steps ahead. Because when your Kundalini rises, She touches the Sadashiva, and Sadashiva informs the Spirit. Informs in the sense of Sadashiva reflecting, in the Spirit. So that’s the first state, where the watching auras start communicating to your different chakras in the brain, and integrating it.

But when you bring your “Spirit” to your brain, this is the second state. Then you really become Self Realised in the full way. In the full way! Because then your Self, that is the “Spirit”, becomes your brain. Action then becomes very dynamic, as the 5th dimension is then opened within the human being.

When you first become realised, collectively conscious, and start raising the Kundalini, you cross the 4th dimension. But when your Spirit comes into your brain, then you become the 5th dimension. This means you become the Doer. For example, our brain says “Alright, lift this thing up”. So you touch it with your hand; you lift it up. You are the doer. But when the Spirit becomes the brain, the “Spirit” is the doer.

And when the Spirit is the Doer, then you become a complete Shiva; Self Realised. In that state, if you get angry, you are not attached. You are not an attached person to `anything’ whatsoever. If you possess anything, you are not attached! You cannot attach, because the Spirit “is detachment”; complete detachment. You don’t bother about any attachments, whatsoever. Even for a second, you are not attached.

Shri Mataji has described how this “living water” that is Kundalini, is raised to a tremendous level, and clears and cleanses our subtle energy centres from all sin/error/negativity. The inner person becomes purified, so he can have his connection to the Kingdom of God, however once he has his connection, he must endeavour to maintain a spiritual state of consciousness, before God, through the power of the Holy Spirit that has arisen within him. Shri Mataji also talked about bringing the Spirit into the brain, which spiritually transforms a person. Here Shri Mataji gives more knowledge about the Kundalini, which is the power of the Holy Spirit reflected in us]:

"One or two strands out of this [arising Kundalini] come up and pierce the fontanel bone area. Kundalini [literally meaning “coiled energy”] is a spiral, which has to pass through the innermost Nadi known as Brahma Nadi [a.k.a. Sushumna Nadi], which is also a spiral. The outermost Nadi [Pingala Nadi] is the right side and the second innermost Nadi is the Ida Nadi. When the Kundalini passes through the Brahmi Nadi, the sympathetic nervous system starts relaxing, and when it goes to the Agnya Chakra [“the Narrow Gate” that Christ talked about], then the eyes start relaxing, and the pupils dilate, becoming very black. This is a way to easily see how far the Kundalini has risen in the person.

The Kundalini energy is absolutely the pure light of knowledge, love, compassion and attention. It is the living energy, which knows how to handle Itself and think. It is like the tip of a sprouting seed that knows how to go around all the soft places, to encircle the stones, and then find its way to the source. But within you is a tremendous force of Kundalini – a storehouse of love, compassion, knowledge, and an ocean of forgiveness, which can be enlightened by the Spirit. When people get Realisation, they do not understand that they now have to “grow”, and the reason they do not grow, is that they do not ask for these energies, in order to be more compassionate, more loving, more generous, and not to exploit others. But if you do not want to be growing in our awareness, then She (the Kundalini Mother) says: “All right. He’s a half-baked Sahaja Yogi. Let it be.” And She doesn’t supply that energy which is stored within you. Mundane desires such as asking for a job or cures for relatives are impure, because they are not satiable [not able to satisfy fully].

This Kundalini that is your Mother, She is there to supply you, nourish you, look after you and make you grow by giving you a higher, wider, and deeper personality. But our ideas about people who [we think] have higher personalities are wrong. People are higher, because they are spiritually evolved; otherwise they are not [higher]."

“Kundalini is pure desire, which means that it has no lust or greed. It is the power of your own [Spiritual] Mother, who knows everything about you, like a tape recorder. Whatever chakras (energy centres) She touches, She also knows what’s wrong with that chakra beforehand. So She’s quite prepared and adjusts Herself fully, so that you do not get a problem by Her awakening. If any chakra is constricted, She waits and goes on, slowly opening that chakra.”

“When the Kundalini rises, she pierces through the fontanelle bone area, and connects us to this all pervading power of Divine Love, which is doing all the living work, for which we do not need to pay. We are not obliged and we do not even think about it. Thus, this vital power starts flowing within our being and all our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual problems are solved, as our genes are put in order.”

“So to [blame] your genes for your mistakes, is not going to work out anymore, because these genes can be changed in their database, and can be brought to the level of a very righteous, angelic personality. The ego and the conditioning of a person gets dissolved by the ascent of the Kundalini, and he really becomes a free bird! Absolute freedom is achieved “in reality” and his behaviour changes tremendously, with great faith in himself! He becomes a witness of the whole drama of life.”

as I said - those who speak on such things - don’t know

and those who [I]do[/I] know won’t tell you - unless of course it is fitting for you to know.

If it would be fitting for you to know of such things - you wouldn’t find the knowledge on the internet - thats for sure.

“as I said - those who speak on such things - don’t know”

There are those who do not speak and still don’t know. Knowing or not knowing is not a matter of speaking or not speaking.

“If it would be fitting for you to know of such things - you wouldn’t find the knowledge on the internet - thats for sure”

A master is capable of transmitting the matter even through the internet.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;55707]“as I said - those who speak on such things - don’t know”

There are those who do not speak and still don’t know. Knowing or not knowing is not a matter of speaking or not speaking.

“If it would be fitting for you to know of such things - you wouldn’t find the knowledge on the internet - thats for sure”

A master is capable of transmitting the matter even through the internet.[/QUOTE]

yes amir your explanations are incorrect. Because if you knew, really knew, then you wouldn’t say - especially out here on the wide open internet.

Whether or not the master is capable of transmitting the matter even though the internet is of no consequence what so ever. Whether you find true knowledge there is another matter altogether.

Kundalini is simply potential energy. That is indeed what the word kundalini means, “coiled up”. Your current body cannot sustain all the energy your body potentially can channel, because of the energy circuits in your body are not developed enough to allow a free flow of energy. If you try to force energy in your body you will shortcircuit your energy circuits, this is called a premature Kundalini awakening and is the cause of phenomenon like spontaneous human combustion. When you naturally develop the energy circuits in your body, your body will naturally start to channel more energy. This is called a kundalini awakening. Literally, the release of potential energy.

You should never try to force a kundalini awakening. Let it happen naturally.

Gopi Krishna got it one fine morning and we know the rest.

Kundalini awakens with only Pure Desire. We should Have the Desire, otherwise it will just coil in peace.