What makes kundalini yoga different from Hatha?

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;71415]Kundalini yoga as thaught by Yogi Bhajan is a new age brand of hatha yoga, this has nothing to do with kundalini awakening. It is not possible to raise kundalini through exercises, because these are done from self effort and that is not how kundalini awakening works. Kundalini can only awaken with the grace of the godess, most people need a bona fide guru to make this happen. Hatha yoga is meant as a preparatory practice to awaken kundalini. Hatha yoga prepares the body through clearing the nadis pathways and controlling prana. Even for people who do not take hatha yoga to the next level, the side effect of working with asana and pranayama is that you will attain a healthy body. In combination with Ayurveda, the preparatory phases of hatha yoga are very valuable to the modern person, if only for health benefits. That is what makes yoga so popular. Unfortunately, it has become a big problem in new age yoga that people project their personal psychological defects and fantasy theories on tantrik concepts like chakras and kundalini.[/QUOTE]

thats true, nothing more to say… well said !:cool:

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;71769]Hatha yoga as described in the hatha yoga pradipika, gheranda samhita, goraksha paddhati etc. in its full form is only practiced in the Natha sampradaya. But I don’t think that hatha yoga originated in the Natha Sampradaya like some people claim. The reason I doubt it is that in the [I]Aparokshanubhuti[/I] Shankaracharya also refers to Hatha yoga as a preliminairy practice for the type of raja yoga he describes and since Shankaracharya predates Gorakshanatha, it is evident that hatha yoga also existed outside the Natha Sampradaya. Another text that is related to hatha yoga outside the Natha Sampradaya is the Yoga Yajnavalkya Samhita which follows a more patanjali (ashtanga) style of yoga. This text was followed by Krishnamacharya who didn’t consider any of the Natha sampradaya texts to be important. So I do think there is some basis for the practice of hatha yoga outside the natha sampradaya, but it is not the same as the path of the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. In general though, the path of kundalini awakening always requires the guidance of a bonafide guru, because it has many dangers associated with it. In a very rare case Shiva initiates a disciple himself without the interference of a guru.[/QUOTE]

you are right and wrong I will explain that proprely… I am a full darshani nath yogi from vairagya panth ( the first panth created by gorakshanath chela raja Bhartharinath)… and I can tell you that hatha yoga emerged into mahasiddha movement, into tantrik culture… befora nathasampradaya begin with mahasiddha matsyendranath already existed a clan of siddhas that receive ‘nath’ in their name as a sign of followers of ancestral shiva cult… they were famous by they autenticy and serious dedication… and so as legend says shiva the supreme manifestation of yogi ( that we call adinath) searched all world to serious people to share all the yoga knowledge but decided that only will share it with his wife parvati… shiva was sharing the yoga knowledge to parvati but she fell sleep and dont concentrate into shivas lessons… so shiva looked around and found a poor simple fisherman called matsyendranath that was paying all atention and concentration into shivas teaching… so shiva become very happy that found someone that could receive all yoga wisdon … shiva ask matsyendranath to create natha sampradaya to group all true and serious yogis… matsyendranath was a tantrik from ancient shiva cult , also kaula lineage knowledge is based upon matsyendranath teachings too and also tibetan budhist lineages considers matsyendranath as ‘lord of world’ ( avalokteswara) and some other places calls him as minanath ( nepal)… so yoga begins in tantrik culture shiva ancient cult of siddhas and was best refined, perfected excellent with gorakshanath that created most of the tecnics famous today [ but so misundestod and distorted =( ] if you talk about mudras, bandhas, sat cakras ( chakras) , kundalini , pranayamas , nadis ,… this all is nath vidya ( nathas knowledge) and if you heard about this, thanks to natha sampradaya, the frontline guardians of yoga wisdon and sanathan dharma

OM shiva gorakh yogi

you found true hatha yoga only in those traditions today : natha , aghori , naga, ramanandi, udasi…

only this everything else is fake… thats the truth…come to india and find yourself

Nath ji, how can those of us living in North America get the true Yoga then? There don’t seem to be many gurus around where I live. I also don’t want to change religions (I am a Christian) but I realize the value Yoga principles could have to my life. Western traditions discards the value of physical practice in favor of spiritual (but most of us sure don’t live that way!) What do you recommend for us Westerners who are interested in the spiritual approach of Yoga, but may not have the resources to support it where we live?

[QUOTE=Sanchito;79723]Nath ji, how can those of us living in North America get the true Yoga then? There don’t seem to be many gurus around where I live. I also don’t want to change religions (I am a Christian) but I realize the value Yoga principles could have to my life. Western traditions discards the value of physical practice in favor of spiritual (but most of us sure don’t live that way!) What do you recommend for us Westerners who are interested in the spiritual approach of Yoga, but may not have the resources to support it where we live?[/QUOTE]

go to india… thats the best advice i can give you… yoga its nothing abouth religion, you can have your religion whatever it is… but in india you will find some yogis with strong religion of india elements too, but you dont need to join any religion to be a yogi… my guru is atheist for a exemple… I am shaivite, religion of shiva, cause its most powerfull and ancient religion on earth…

some natha and naga(juna akhara) tradition gurus now are traveling to europe and russia as I know, they make good work too

dont know nothing about america… i think mostly serious gurus dont want to go to america… mostly gurus that go to america is just for $$$$ and fame

most serious gurus are in north india , good luck …

[QUOTE=nath ji;79701]you found true hatha yoga only in those traditions today : natha , aghori , naga, ramanandi, udasi… only this everything else is fake…[/QUOTE]

I would not go so far as to say all that is fake. It is of course true that all Yogic practices gave their roots in Tantra. Tantra has been given many definitions-one is Tan= stretch; yantra =tool. ie a tool for stretching the mind. Many view it as having been derived from Tattva (basis or truth) and mantra. Tantra uses the symbolic union of the Siva(masculine principle) and Shakti (feminine principle -creative energy) to help its practitioners expand the limits of their mind. I have always thought it as a wonderful way of explaining how there is only a single unit which apparently manifests duality -the male and female.

Tantra has clear left handed and right handed teachings. The left handed path is a faster way- but needs great strength of mind- in fact many (including me) subscribe to the view that these may not be parallel but sequential paths. When the right handed path which is largely based on vedic socially acceptable practices, has led one to a sufficient level of advancement for one to realise that there is no such thing as good or bad in this world and these are only labels, there dawns on one that all objects in the universe, indeed the universe itself is Brahman-universal consciousness and how can there be anything negative about Brahman ? At this point the mind is ready to surrender all objects -it is then that the Vamayana- the left handed path -which incidentally consists of all practices considered "not acceptable " at one time -some of which are still taboo … open sex , flesh eating, worshiping in graveyards etc.

Interestingly many of the practices of Vamayana have sneaked into everyday life in India.- eg the practice of putting ash on the forehead and the body while praying is essentially Vamayana- it is ash from the funeral pyre that is smeared to constantly remind oneself of the fact that the body is subject to destruction and that whatever can be destroyed is not one’s real self which has no beginning and no end. Of course temples nowadays in India do not use funeral ash- a concession to the squeamishness of man who is uncomfortable contemplating death.

All asanas, mantras, meditation -are all Vamayana. Several classifications have emerged over the last few decades Rajya Yoga, Bhakti, Jnana Yoga, Hatha Yoga, etc. There is nothing new in any of these- the roots are all contained in Tantra. Tantra the parent has given rise to many offspring each meant for the emancipation of a person a specific kind of nature-eg Jnana for the contemplative, Bhakti for the devout, etc.

All paths have emerged for the single purpose of helping us attain emancipation-union with the divine -how can any be fake or authentic- as long as it achieves the purpose it has a value.

And let us not forget the mark of a true Yogi is acceptance of all names and forms as the manifestation of the Divine.