A surprisingly forgiving attitude from one concerened with the right perception of yoga. You know you had this coming, don’t you ? 
Thanks for sharing the existence of Srimad Bahagavatam. Could you point me to the exact location of part about the space ships ? Here’s the link. Just to save me browsing it right now as I lack the time.
[QUOTE=siva;22165]Asuri, Thank You,
I asked directly about “its usefulness, the practical difference of its content…” Because you have not stated any, I will assume there is none.
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LOL. Yeah, OK.
SB 3.24.20: Śrī Maitreya said: After thus speaking to Kardama Muni and his wife Devahūti, Lord Brahmā, the creator of the universe, who is also known as Haḿsa, went back to the highest of the three planetary systems on his swan carrier with the four Kumāras and Nārada.
This is as close as I can get right now. This one refers to a swan carrier. Other verses refer to ships that travel among the planets, if my memory is correct. The Srimad Bhagavatam is huge, and I don’t have chapter and verse at my fingertips. But I suggest that the existence of colonizers from other worlds is at least as plausible as a spike in the vibration of Om, (whatever that means) as an explanation for the Indus Valley and other civilizations. It seems that we like to impose our own mental constructions on the things we don’t know. But yoga has a real history.
Amen to that. Did I share my impression about you being a fast learner ? Well, here it is now.
But yoga has a real history.
Unlike the scientific-fictional one about space colonization ? Or what did you mean by this ?
Of course there is a real history to everything, regardless if there is any evidence for it ot not. To think that events for what there is no proof never happened, would be a gross mistake, don’t you think ?
Yoga has a real history, based on archaeolgical evidence, and written evidence. To believe in things for which there is no evidence is foolishness. Sure sometimes the evidence can be interpreted in different ways, and some things we can never know for sure.
A spike in the vibration of Om, now that’s an interesting idea. It kind of superimposes modern knowledge onto an ancient concept. In some ways it seems to make some sense. I like it. The ET theory also is not outside the realm of possibility.
[quote=Asuri;22196]Yoga has a real history, based on archaeolgical evidence, and written evidence. To believe in things for which there is no evidence is foolishness. Sure sometimes the evidence can be interpreted in different ways, and some things we can never know for sure.
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To discard everything for what there is no material/sensorial evidence is shortsightedness at best, to not use such a derogative world as you did. Apparently, in your intellectual pride you do not care that you just called half the world population fools. To call someone a fool betrays your own inability in understanding that person. If you’d undersand the fool, you would not call him such, because you would feel compassion for him/her.
In the world you are able to imagine, a criminal who manages to eliminate all material evidence of his deed, is innocent. After all, to believe in things for what there is no evidence, is foolish.
I stand by what I said, and I have no time for this kind of trivial bickering.
Nothing is real, everything is just evidence of maya.
It takes two to have a converastion, so I am forced to respect your decision.
I think I have shown that lack of evidence does not prove the inexistence of something, as evidence might be out of our reach, and this I wanted to do, nothing else.
I am sorry that our minds could not arrive to an understanding. It is my fault, I should have composed my message more carefully. I am not free of the effects of aversion regarding some thoughts, and I let that cloud my better judgement. Than again, if I always followed my better judgement, I would never made a post …
[QUOTE=Hubert;22232]…lack of evidence does not prove the inexistence of something, as evidence might be out of our reach…[/QUOTE]
the first sentence of the upanishads and the last word of science are the same, that all is energy.
in general science is way behind our scriptures. scriptures composed by the rishis/seers or enlightened masters are perceived on a higher state of consciousness which science simply lacks. Einstein for example says that all is energy, a ‘new discovery’ of scientific research that has been around for thousands of years by vedic rishis who are enlightened beings and have access to truth science has not even discovered yet.
i fully agree w Hubert that lack of evidence does not prove the non-existence of something.
I’m sure that’s true, but that is the reason why, in law, the burden of proof is on the accuser, because it is impossible to prove a negative.
[QUOTE=Asuri;22289]I’m sure that’s true, but that is the reason why, in law, the burden of proof is on the accuser, because it is impossible to prove a negative.[/QUOTE]
here in the now you don’t have to proof anything. just trust… and let go of your mind.
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i fully agree w Hubert that lack of evidence does not prove the non-existence of something.[/QUOTE]
I’m sure that’s true, but that is the reason why, in law, the burden of proof is on the accuser, because it is impossible to prove a negative. Suppose that you are accused of a crime that you didn’t commit, and your defense is, there’s no evidence that I did it. Under your theory, you would be convicted. The fact that there’s no evidence doesn’t mean you didn’t do it. And there must be some evidence, otherwise it would be impossible to know that a crime had been committed.
That is also why what is claimed to be knowledge must always be supported by evidence, because without it, the most ridiculous notion can be regarded as not disproved. The Yoga Sutras explicitly states that the sources of valid knowledge are limited to perception, inference, and testimony of reliable persons. Samkhya goes even further, saying that testimony of reliable persons alone is not sufficient, but has to be supported by evidence. And we know that even inferences that appear to be logically correct can turn out to be false, so we need some kind of hard evidence in order for any assertion to be regarded as knowledge. If you are willing to accept a looser standard, you run the risk of acting on information that turns out to be false.
Why does it matter?
I am reminded of two movies : Fiddler on the Roof where tradition rules until carried higher by love, and Zorba the Greek, where emotion is the juice of life and reason keeps you from dancing. In the Fiddler, Tevye, tells each of two arguers, that they are right when they make their points and a third observer says" They can’t both be right " and Tevye says, " You know, you are also right ". Zorba who drinks too much, loves and cries alot, pays very little attention to facts, like his English boss does, but in the end, amid disaster that Zorba creates and causes his Boss to lose lots of money, his Boss humbly asks Zorba to teach him to dance. I agree with both sides here but I don’t think they are exclusive. Like Yin and Yang, Apollo and Dionysus, they represent the efficacy and contempletive power of knowledge and the intuitive power of faith, that given a foundation, or perch upon goodness, can fly higher, sooner for most people. Namaste to both of you.