Yoga Health and Longevity

[QUOTE=Senin;64558]So is a good jog.[/QUOTE]

Not really.

Why jogging boosts serotonin ( a natural anti-depressant) jogging too:

—strains your joints

—depletes you of energy

Actually all aerobic exercises deplete you of energy, which has to be repleted again. I know medical doctors who recommend a combination of aerobic
(jogging, biking…) exercises, anaerobic exercises (weight lifting, resistance bands…), and yoga exercises.

Tai chi seems to be a good complex of exercises. They are actually based on
martial arts. Performed slowly, they replete you with energy.

The point was that yoga was good for depression. Jogging is also good for depresssion. I wasn’t talking about whether jogging was good for the body or not, just that it helps with depression.

As far as exercise being bad because it depletes energy, that is silly. Exercise is suppose to use energy. That is good for the human body. That is how it builds itself back up. Like weightlifting, using the muscle, wearing it down so it builds back up even stronger.

Who is healthier, those who go out and exercise or the couch potato?

[QUOTE=Senin;64643]

As far as exercise being bad because it depletes energy, that is silly. ?[/QUOTE]

Maybe it is not that silly. After one hour of jogging (or whatever period of time)
you are tired. After one hour of yoga, you feel rejuvenated.

Yeah, and eventually those hours of jogging (which I am not endorsing) will lower heart rate and blood pressure. Light yoga will not do this.

[QUOTE=Senin;64558]So is a good jog.[/QUOTE]

Not really.

Jogging is an aerobic exercise, with effort that maintains your heart rate higher than normal.

Jogging creates many free radicals (lipid peroxidase too). Jogging, on the other hand, increases antioxidant enzymes, but not enough to protect you from the free radical formation.

Unless you take a lot of antioxidants, jogging can create more harm than good.

Jogging depletes your body of antioxidants, and then some…depleting you even
of glutahthione, the most powerful antioxidant and protector in your body.

Increasing medical evidence shows that that a moderate workout (brisk walk or
machine exercise) provides more healthful benefits.

It might be interesting to have a study showing the effect of yoga on antioxidants and gluthathione formation.

We might be in for a surprise.

[QUOTE=Senin;64511]InnerAthlete,

“In the practice of Yoga the “exercise” you allude to is designed to create a sound vessel for something ELSE. It is not the end but rather a means to an end. The health of the body is required but it is not the mission”

What are you refering to? The other facets of yoga? Hinduism?

“For a person who is only concerned about the nature of their musculo-skeletal system or the drainage of the lymphatic system for example, movement is movement”

I disagree. Some movement might be better than others. But any type of movement is better than no movement at all.

“if this is your belief then it is your belief and therefore appropriate for you. It works for you. It suits you. It moves you forward and fits with where you want to go as a human being in what little time we are granted.”

Sorry, I again disagree. Contrary to some popular thought, your belief is not reality. Physics is physics. Jump off a 20 story building, you die, regardless of your beliefs.

So, Innerathlete, what exactly are you saying?[/QUOTE]

Highfive to the diversified atheist. :cool:

[QUOTE=oak333;64730]Not really.

Jogging creates many free radicals (lipid peroxidase too). Jogging, on the other hand, increases antioxidant enzymes, but not enough to protect you from the free radical formation.

Unless you take a lot of antioxidants, jogging can create more harm than good.

Jogging depletes your body of antioxidants, and then some…depleting you even
of glutahthione, the most powerful antioxidant and protector in your body.

Increasing medical evidence shows that that a moderate workout (brisk walk or
machine exercise) provides more healthful benefits.[/QUOTE]

You are joking, right?

Okay, I have to see the validated medical evidence on that one.

[QUOTE=Senin;64749]You are joking, right?

Okay, I have to see the validated medical evidence on that one.[/QUOTE]

There is no joke about it. I have quoted before a great book by a great author:

Look at pages 272-273.

You also might be interested to read the customer reviews of this book.

Sorry.

One book by one quack doesn’t quite measure upt to validated medical evidence.
Regardless of what the customer reviews say.

[QUOTE=Senin;64762]Sorry.

One book by one quack doesn’t quite measure upt to validated medical evidence.
Regardless of what the customer reviews say.[/QUOTE]

This book is a serious book, which documents medical evidence.

However you can also search the net for “jogging anti oxidant deplete” and find
reports. It took me little time to find many reports. I quote just one:

This study presented 11 runners during an ultramarathon. An ultramarathon!!! That is not normal exercise. Of course that is going to tear down the body. How about the health effects of a nice casual mile or two jog?

Your study seems to neglect the fact that the body is made to tear down and rebuild stronger. That is how our muscles are built. Weightlifing-- tear down and rebuild stonger. You are only focusing on the “tear down” phase.

This is an excellent topic. There are a few different opinions, so respect for opposite points of view is helpful. I’ve gone through periods of just doing exercise (weights + cardio), as well as periods of just yoga. I find a combination works well for me. The body needs a variety of things. Resistance training (weights) is good for increasing metabolism, muscle mass, bone density, keeping the small nerves throughout the muscles working well. Cardio (reasonable level) is excellent for the heart and lung function. Yoga (in the physical sense) is fabulous with joint health, connective tissue, ancillary muscles, balance, proprioception, stress response and proper breathing. While I feel happier “only” doing yoga, I find the weights and cardio also important for me (one of the best books I’ve read on this is “Younger Next Year” by Chris Crowley and Henry Lodge). Anyway, let’s keep this thread going, as it can be helpful for all of us to hear various perspectives.

Guitar, you are absolutely right. I could not agree more!

[QUOTE=guitar_yogi;64966]This is an excellent topic. There are a few different opinions, so respect for opposite points of view is helpful. I’ve gone through periods of just doing exercise (weights + cardio), as well as periods of just yoga. I find a combination works well for me. The body needs a variety of things. Resistance training (weights) is good for increasing metabolism, muscle mass, bone density, keeping the small nerves throughout the muscles working well. Cardio (reasonable level) is excellent for the heart and lung function. Yoga (in the physical sense) is fabulous with joint health, connective tissue, ancillary muscles, balance, proprioception, stress response and proper breathing. While I feel happier “only” doing yoga, I find the weights and cardio also important for me (one of the best books I’ve read on this is “Younger Next Year” by Chris Crowley and Henry Lodge). Anyway, let’s keep this thread going, as it can be helpful for all of us to hear various perspectives.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are quite right. Actually you have confirmed what the medical doctors recommend: a combination of aerobic, anaerobic and yoga exercises.

There are medical reasons for that recommendation.

If all yoga had to offer was its exercise benefits, those alone would be extremely important. Please keep in mind Inner Athlete’s post in this thread mentioning there is so much more to yoga than just the exercise.

There is a neuroendocrinologist named Robert Sapolsky at Stanford who has studied the effects of stress. He says “The stress response is critical to our survival, as for example when we run away from a physical danger. What is interesting is that we turn on the exact same stress response for purely psychological states: thinking about our job, the taxes we have to pay, or a thirty-year mortgage.“The key difference,” says Dr. Sapolski, “is we are not doing it for a real physiological reason and we are doing it non-stop.” So by not turning off the stress response for “life’s traffic jams,” we secrete the same corrosive hormones, and after a while, the stress response is more damaging than the stress itself. Chronic stress undermines our immune system, clogs our arteries, restricts blood flow and kills brain cells which affect learning and memory. New findings also show that stress shortens the genetic structures, called telomeres, which protect the ends of our chromosomes from fraying. The shortening of the telomeres accelerates the aging process…”

Jnani Chapman, RN says “The effects of yoga-as stress management which have been documented including parasympathetic nervous system activation which lowers the heart rate and the blood pressure thereby reducing the body’s demand (need) for oxygen. Other effects of yoga practices which have been documented include improving digestion, elimination and immune function, increasing the vital lung capacity and tidal volume; and reducing anxiety and depression.”

Yoga Journal says “To build your parasympathetic nervous system, you need to do poses that encourage deep relaxation, such as forward bends and hip openers; do fewer standing poses; and do more sitting, supine, and prone postures as well as inversions. You also need to hold poses longer, as you would in restorative yoga, and dedicate longer periods of time to developing slow and complete breathing. Vigorous vinyasa, backbends, handstands, and arm balances are powerful and beneficial, but they don’t stimulate your parasympathetic nervous system as much as the practices listed previously.”

My own practice includes 3 days/week of vigorous workouts (weights & cardio), then 4 days/week of yoga emphasizing movements with a slow pace, strong holds, deep breathing, as this allows my mind to become somewhat meditative with the breath and body synchronicity. Also, I do a yoga nidra practice a few times/month, as well as some pranayama. I find the restorative aspects very important.

My sense is this is just the tip of the iceberg, as from looking through the Yoga Sutras there appear to be many wonderful spiritual experiences possible through the various pratyahara practices.

Anyway, I respect both the exercise and spiritual aspects of yoga, so just wanted to clarify from my other post.

thanks for d info

yogi Kirit
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