Yoga, Hindusim and Buddhism

No once again. Its “Dependent origination.” I assure you.

And “emptiness” doesn’t mean nothingness or nihlism.

and buddhadharma doesn’t discuss transcendental realtiy until the End or you’ve at least got a good firm foundation under you. Transcendental realtity can be confusing… Transcendental reality has nothing to do with the aims of the Buddhadharma…until the very end…

So your wrong again…

So you are forth with banned from speaking about buddhadharma!

You said yourself you only know the generals…

The opening volly is simply the opening volly… Not the endgame.

No once again. Its “Dependent origination.” I assure you.

Yes, that’s what I said :smiley:

and buddhadharma doesn’t discuss transcendental realtiy until the End or you’ve at least got a good firm foundation under you. Transcendental realtity can be confusing… Transcendental reality has nothing to do with the aims of the Buddhadharma…until the very end…

I know this was the original aim of Buddha not to get his disciples bogged down with all the metaphysics that Hindus love and to simply practice the techniques and discover in due courses themselves whether the metaphysics was right. This is why I respect Buddha as an enlightened being and an avatar. However, the Buddhism that came later after Buddha, did exactly what Buddha warned against, getting bogged down with the metaphysics and turning Buddha’s teaching of “anata and dukha” into absolutes about reality. Since then Buddhism has become a nihilistic, life-denying religion. It is clear to see this if you look at the South East Asian countries where Buddhism was adopted how it turned everybody to the practical and mundane such as making tea, or doing the gardening, or even fighting with mindfulness, rather than progress. There is no philosophy of progress within Buddhism. This is why it brought these societies to a standstill. The kind of mindlessness that Buddhism engenders has been used to justify all kinds of violence in South East Asia and used to justify irrationality.

The same happened in India as well where Buddhism was eventually rejected. It gave birth to civically irresponsible people who did not carry their weight in society and did not maintain their martial class. As a result India fell prey to invasions. In the past, nobody would dare step an inch on Indian soil, because of the Kshatriyas. Then due to Buddhism we lost the Ksatriyas and India fell prety to invasion. To a large extent Buddhism is the cause of the degeneration of India. Had India not adoped such an impotent religion, India would still be Hindu and prosperous today.

Do you know any nihilistic buddhists ? im sure some exist ,but if they do, they will be missing the point. Remember the buddhahdharma was a direct result of the horrors of the caste system ,where people are branded as untouchable , unhearable and unseeable ,
the Buddha with infinite wisdom and compassion challenged these views precisely because of connection to life rather than disconnection or denial of life, surely.The Buddhah tried the path of austerity feeding himself on a grain of rice a day ,starving himself he realised that denial of life and the body was not the way and was fed by milk and curds which enlivened him. This was not long before enlightement.

I think the traditional stories of Buddha are highly embellished, romantic and heroic to be taken as literal. Such as the prophecies of his enlightenment, and the attempts by his father-king to hide all suffering from him. Similarly, the stories of him being a rebel agaisnt Hindu caste system are probably just as dubious. I do no deny there was a highly enlightened master called Buddha, just as I do not deny there was a highly enlightened master called Jesus, but the historical Buddha and Jesus are likely to be radically different to what is said about them.

The fact is just as the organized religion of Christianity nothing like the original teachings of Christ, the organized religion of Buddhism is nothing like the original teachings of Buddha. It is a nihilistic, life denying religion that dulls the mind and social life.

It is simply not philosophically defensible because with doctines like no-self nihilism is a natural result. If there is no “me” then why should I do anything? It’s pretty pointless then. There is only a point for “me” to do something if I what I do is going to benefit me either directly or indirectly. Even if I give charity or do some compassionate goods if there is no me to reap the good karma of my actions then there is no motivation for me to do any action.

Who can defend Buddhism from this charge?

You need more study.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34005]The fact is just as the organized religion of Christianity nothing like the original teachings of Christ, the organized religion of Buddhism is nothing like the original teachings of Buddha. It is a nihilistic, life denying religion that dulls the mind and social life.[/QUOTE]

I think you make a good point about the ‘organized religion’ that we find in Christianity and Buddhism, being a little different from what was originally taught. But I see no evidence of them dulling the mind or social life. My brother and girlfriend are Christians and they have the best social skills I’ve ever seen. I’ve gone through a phase a ‘a Buddhist’, although I would have to consider myself an Atheist (as I reject any claims made outside of modern science) and I have a good social life. My friends like me and want to spend time with me and think I’m funny and cool, girls seem to want to have sex with me, old ladies think I’m a lovely gentleman… I don’t see how it dulls social life.

There is clear evidence of Christiantiy and Buddhism dulling the mind and social life. You simply need to look at history.

Modern Christians and Buddhists are not proper Christians and Buddhists. You simply need to go into a Buddhist monestary or Catholic monestary to see how dull, repressed and isolated they are. They have no idea what it is like to be alive.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34150]There is clear evidence of Christiantiy and Buddhism dulling the mind and social life. You simply need to look at history.

Modern Christians and Buddhists are not proper Christians and Buddhists. You simply need to go into a Buddhist monestary or Catholic monestary to see how dull, repressed and isolated they are. They have no idea what it is like to be alive.[/QUOTE]

:slight_smile:

Can’t argue there. Lol . . .

But of course you know not all followers of the buddhism and the christianity live in the convent. To each their own I guess. Perhaps it’s their karma. WHos to judge?

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34150]They have no idea what it is like to be alive.[/QUOTE]

We’ll, they may look at your life and say exactly the same thing. I mean, the fact that your concerned with whether or not Christians and Buddhists have any Idea what it is like to be alive, IS an indication that your life may be lacking something.

I have a very dynamic, fighting spirit. I am very lively. People who know me will testify just how bold, dynamic and lively I am. I take no nonsense from anybody and I do whatever I like. I do not suppress any of my desires and openly live out my desires.

So no you cannot compare me to a repressed Buddhist or Christian monk.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34178]I have a very dynamic, fighting spirit. I am very lively. People who know me will testify just how bold, dynamic and lively I am. I take no nonsense from anybody and I do whatever I like. I do not suppress any of my desires and openly live out my desires.

So no you cannot compare me to a repressed Buddhist or Christian monk.[/QUOTE]

This is a very desperate answer. Bold? Dynamic? Take no nonsense? I genuine feel sad after reading this. It sounds like the words of a lost, lonely, frightened soul. You don’t have to compare yourself with different people. Life isn’t a contest. Your OK just the way you are. I promise people will like you. You don’t need to try and demonstrate to others that you are special. You don’t need to have people agree with everything you say, in order to be loved. Learn to love others. Love Buddhist just the way they are. Love Christians just the way they are. They will love you just the way you are. Have the courage to be different and have the courage to accept difference. The whole world will show you love like you’ve never know, once you accept yourself, and accept others. I hope you can learn to listen to others, and share your thoughts with others. It’s not you verses everyone who’s different. It’s you sharing your differences. The world can be a kind warm, place… But you need to find kindness and warmth in yourself first.

Wise words from such a young spirit. Much to think about! Thank you for sharing. As I’ve said before, there are many paths on our journey. They all, hopefully, lead to the same place. Love rules all. Love trumps all. Love ROCKS!

YogiAdam- Really it all boils down to one very important question, “Is Fosters really Australian for beer?” LOL!!!

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34237]YogiAdam- Really it all boils down to one very important question, “Is Fosters really Australian for beer?” LOL!!![/QUOTE]

It is, but we don’t drink it. Or though, I saw Ricky Gervais drinking it on his stand up DVD, so I think I might have to give it a go. I think I remember grown-ups at BBQs drinking it in the 80s lol.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34237]YogiAdam- Really it all boils down to one very important question, “Is Fosters really Australian for beer?” LOL!!![/QUOTE]

Ahhhh! Fosters. It’s not just for breakfast anymore.

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;34232]This is a very desperate answer. Bold? Dynamic? Take no nonsense? I genuine feel sad after reading this. It sounds like the words of a lost, lonely, frightened soul. You don’t have to compare yourself with different people. Life isn’t a contest. Your OK just the way you are. I promise people will like you. You don’t need to try and demonstrate to others that you are special. You don’t need to have people agree with everything you say, in order to be loved. Learn to love others. Love Buddhist just the way they are. Love Christians just the way they are. They will love you just the way you are. Have the courage to be different and have the courage to accept difference. The whole world will show you love like you’ve never know, once you accept yourself, and accept others. I hope you can learn to listen to others, and share your thoughts with others. It’s not you verses everyone who’s different. It’s you sharing your differences. The world can be a kind warm, place… But you need to find kindness and warmth in yourself first.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing that will stop me from forming a judgement on something, I am afraid. I have a simple philosophy in life and that is live and let live, but this does not mean that I will agree with another.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34285]There is nothing that will stop me from forming a judgement on something, I am afraid. I have a simple philosophy in life and that is live and let live, but this does not mean that I will agree with another.[/QUOTE]
Yep, again, I NEVER said you need to agree with anyone! Where does it say that??! Where on this whole forum did I say you need to agree with anyone??!!

According to Jawaharlal Nehru “Glimpses of World History”, Buddhism was hounded out of India by Brahmin cruelty and Hindu intolerance.

http://rupeenews.com/moins-articles/rebuttal-to-sudha-ramachandran-persecution-of-buddhists-in-india/

Yoga is not a religion, but a divine science. I know people practicing Yoga and Buddhism at the same time and i don’t see any problem about it.

What does it matter, everyone dies anyways.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33919]
I was quite accepting of Buddhism in the past but now I see it as a rather insidious and life denying belief system. It is tamasic. It dulls life. It’s just
as bad as Christianity in some respects. In fact Christianity seems to have a huge influence of Buddhism.

In any case I think the original historical Buddha and the original historical Jesus were realised yogis and did not teach the nonsense their followers later
interpreted and institutionalized.[/QUOTE]

There is a saying among my people, that every saint has his hands bent toward himself. In this, you are clearly one of them.