'Yoga is nothing but a practical Psychology'

Spirituality
#106

Well I suppose I have to point out that you are the only one who actually has been banned from the Hindu forum. They wouldn’t tolerate your nonsense over there and it’s incomprehensible to me why David allows it here. You continue to misquote and misrepresent what I say and attack me personally every day and frankly I’m sick of it.

Thank you for making it clear exactly where you are coming from. You consider yourself to be the professional and me to be the amateur, so it’s really a burr in your britches when an unwashed ignorant fool such as myself is able to stand against you and win.

You are correct I have absolute disdain for your claimed achievements, considering all of the nonsense you’ve posted on this forum. By the way a dissertation is a project that is written in order to obtain a Phd degree here in the United States, so your misuse of the word casts a lot of doubt on your credentials. It clear that you are no Phd. You’ve been asked several times to validate your claims and have refused, so your credentials really are meaningless. If you are such a professional, why on earth are you wasting so much of your time posting on an internet forum under an assumed name?

#107

So then would it be fair to say that every time you’ve used the term hinduism in this sense that you’ve been misleading us?

It’s curious to me that you are willing to derail your own thread in order to continue this argument with me, even after I tried to get it back on topic. Even more curious is that you want to continue to argue with someone who you feel is not worthy to debate with you. This erratic behavior is why I don’t take you seriously at all.

It’s understandable that you would be embarrassed that an ignorant fool such as myself has discredited your attempt to interpret the yoga sutras in order to support your position. You should have quit while you could, instead of having to endure further insult. You really took the bait on the hindu thing, but at least it has served to distract attention from the many ways you’ve been misrepresenting and attacking me.

#108

Asuri you are simply a disrespectful person. I am not going to bother with you. In your mind you have won every argument you’ve had, your personal attacks are ‘mild criticism’ and you possess scholarship in the field of Samkhya-Yoga.

The reality is you are considered a nuisance who has has been banned and has received several warnings for personal attacks and now is on his last warning, you have never actually won any arguments with anybody, because you never really have any arguments to make, as half of your posts are filled with personal attacks and screaming and kicking. You have no credentials at all in Samkhya-Yoga philosophy.

You are not making any valid contributions in this thread right now, you are more intent on personal vendettas against me and almost every comment you are making here is not shedding anymore light on the discussion of Yoga and psychology. It is clear for everybody to see you have a complex, you are very jealous of me.

To be honest I no longer care. You are not my equal and I am not going to waste my time with somebody who is so ignorant, disrespectful and openly obnoxious. Please stop talking to me and talking about me. I will report any future transgression against me. I do not come to this forum to be insulted and abused by you.

#109

[QUOTE=Asuri;75549]So then would it be fair to say that every time you’ve used the term hinduism in this sense that you’ve been misleading us?

It’s understandable that you would be embarrassed that an ignorant fool such as myself has discredited your attempt to interpret the yoga sutras in order to support your position. You should have quit while you could, instead of having to endure further insult. You really took the bait on the hindu thing, but at least it has served to distract attention from the many ways you’ve been misrepresenting and attacking me.[/QUOTE]

So here you openly are admitting you were flame-baiting me? Then your intentions are obvious you are being a nuisance. And now that it is clear you are doing that and deliberately ruining discussions on this forum, the moderators are clearly going to take that into consideration.

It is clear for anybody to see on this forum you have jumped kicking and screaming into every thread on this forum to do with Yoga or Samkhya philosophy and ruined all of those threads by starting flame wars. This is obvious troll activity. Do it again and it will be reported. Again remember you are on your last warning. I am not going to tolerate any further abuse and insults from you. I cannot make myself any clearer.

After this point there will be NO further correspondence between me and you either directly or indirectly. If you transgress against me, I will report it instantly.

#110

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

#111

Of course you consider me a nuisance, because with me around, you can’t get away with a lot of things. Don’t take it personally. It’s not just you, that’s what I do. Even now I don’t participate in a lot of your discussions, because I’m not going to waste my time on such things. But I can’t let you get away with everything. So be forewarned, I’ll be watching.

#112

By what stretch of the imagination does one member of a public forum think he can demand that another member not be allowed to respond to his public posts? Surya Deva is acting as if this is his private forum and he is in charge. He would do well to remember who is the fish and who is the fisherman in this transaction.

#113

Deleted post. I cannot be bothered lol I am going to leave it to David.

#114

Surya
You could simply…not respond to his post? That would solve the problem.
And vice versa if need be. Lol.

#115

Avatar, I beat you to it, that is exactly what I am doing lol I really don’t have time for trolls.

#116

NOW that the commercial break has ended
We return you to your scheduled programming :stuck_out_tongue:

SO.
When you say yoga is nothing but practical psychology, do you mean a form of psychology ? Western psychology? psychology as taught under a certain author?

I do believe. That indeed, yoga is practical psychology.
I also believe. To be true, that yoga is practical physiology.
Though i do think. That most forms of psychology and physiology are incomplete.
For each tries to be autonomous, and disregards the other.

This may not be true in all circumstances. But if the current world " truly understood"psychology for instances, their wouldn’t be so many documents on it!

Whatcha think.

#117

Your knowledge of Samkhya-Yoga is amateur, it is not based on actual reading of the scholarship and literature on the subject.

Do you think that I absorbed it from thin air? I’ve read both primary and secondary sources, so this is obviously a false statement.

Getting a grade on a college paper is not peer review. This is one more example of how Surya Deva has been trying to get credibility by inflating his qualifications. Actually it disqualifies him because it is evidence of dishonesty.

Even if you did get a good grade on a college paper, it doesn’t count for much beyond getting your first job. What have you done since then? Posting anonymously on Yoga Forums is hardly a mark of distinction.

Actually this is true, I hadn’t read Larson’s book until recently, but he is hardly the foremost scholar. The book added very little to my understanding of the philosophy. It’s main contribution is a classification system for historical development, and a summary of other scholars who have written on the subject. I’ve read other similar works that were much more in depth and made far greater contributions to the understanding of the philosophy. Larson’s book is essentially a study of the Samkhya Karika

Many of the statements you have made about Samkhya-Yoga contain obviously gaps in understanding

Since you refuse to acknowledge the Samkhya Pravachana Sutram, which is the most complete explanation of Samkhya philosophy ever written, and instead rely on a seventy verse summary and academics like Gerald Larson, its obvious that the gaps in understanding are yours.

This is simply a malevolent remark without any basis in fact and a personal attack.

#118

I think that probably has something to do with why you are so wrong about so many things.

#119

[QUOTE=Avatar186;75605]NOW that the commercial break has ended
We return you to your scheduled programming :stuck_out_tongue:

SO.
When you say yoga is nothing but practical psychology, do you mean a form of psychology ? Western psychology? psychology as taught under a certain author?

I do believe. That indeed, yoga is practical psychology.
I also believe. To be true, that yoga is practical physiology.
Though i do think. That most forms of psychology and physiology are incomplete.
For each tries to be autonomous, and disregards the other.

This may not be true in all circumstances. But if the current world " truly understood"psychology for instances, their wouldn’t be so many documents on it!

Whatcha think.[/QUOTE]

I can agree that Patanjali’s yoga contains many elements of what we call psychology. It contains a sort of analysis of various categories of mental activity, and an analysis of the causes of suffering, and suggests methods for reducing or eliminating suffering. It’s not like western psychology with various types of counseling and elaborate classifications of personality types and disorders, and psychological tests. But Patanjali’s yoga also is a philosophy of liberation and associated beliefs so I don’t know how someone can say it’s just a practical psychology, unless its just an attempt to make it palatable to westerners.

#120

This is where I allegedly flame-baited Surya Deva

Actually I gave him an opening that I knew he couldn’t resist, and he jumped on it with a vengence, while ignoring the main point of the post, which was pointing out all of the many ways that he has misrepresented me in this thread alone, which has also been done on many other threads throughout this forum.

This can be seen as a tacit admission that he has on many occasions misrepresented my words and my positions on this forum. This is a continuing pattern of malevolent personal attacks which the moderator has failed to recognize and stop. He continues this pattern of personal attack by attempting to characterize me as a nuisance and accusing me of deliberating ruining threads.

The fact is that on many occasions Surya Deva himself has deliberately ruined threads attacking not only me but others as well, moving the threads so far off topic that the subject matter is completely lost, and continuing to argue ad infinitum while refusing to acknowledge the points made by others. And yet the moderator tolerates this. Now if I legitimately oppose his ideas, I am accused of deliberately ruining threads. I say, if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

#121

Returning to the topic of what is hindu and what is non- hindu,

The compound ?Hindu philosophy? is ambiguous. Minimally it stands for a tradition of Indian philosophical thinking. However, it could be interpreted as designating one comprehensive philosophical doctrine, shared by all Hindu thinkers. The term ?Hindu philosophy? is often used loosely in this philosophical or doctrinal sense, but this usage is misleading.

I would like to point out that Surya Deva has in fact used this concept of hinduism many times on this forum, in threads like “Is yoga hinduism” and “I am no longer hindu” (which he started after the hindus kicked him out of their forum). Now when it suits his purpose, he uses another definition. Now under that new definition, I cannot hope to win that argument, however a little clarification will show that what I said is valid, though controversial.

There have been different interpretations of the historical development of Samkhya philosophy. Some, including Dr Zimmer, and Dr Garbe, believed that Samkhya philosophy developed outside of the Vedic system and was later adopted by the Vedic thinkers, although in a modified form, since the non-Aryan and non-Vedic Samkhya contained elements that were contrary to the Vedic religion. This view is supported by references in the Mahabharata to a large body of Samkhya literature. Vijnana Bhiksu, author of the most extensive commentary on the Samkhya Pravachana Sutram, also referred to this body of literature. He stated that in his time (roughly fourteenth century), only a sixteenth part of it remained. It was from this remnant that he reconstructed the Samkhya Pravachana Sutram, which is now all that remains of it.

It is this important document that Gerald Larson and his followers like Surya Deva choose to ignore, ostensibly because they can no longer reconstruct it from original sources. However in my opinion this continues the active suppression of this literature by the Vedantins who dominate modern hinduism. This started with Sankara, who fought against it vigorously, and there can be no denying this. Vijnana Bhiksu also mentioned this suppression, and in my opinion, it continues to this very day with Surya Deva and others of his persuasion.

#122

Patanjali’s writing. Has he written anything more? Its funny I’ve read this text here and their. But its been a while. I just read it again. Amazing.
His system truly is practical, if you use the definition of practical. In the same sense western phychology is not practical. :stuck_out_tongue:
I think I shall start a thread on patanjali’s text.
Like I said is their any more writings under him?

#123

Now I have shown that Surya Deva has engaged in a pattern of deception by falsely claiming to have credentials which he does not have. He has claimed to have written a dissertation, which is a project that is written in pursuit of PhD degree, which we can discern from his other posts that he does not have. He has also claimed that his work has undergone peer review, which it has not. Getting a grade on a college paper is not peer review.

Unless Surya Deva can substantiate his claims, they have to be regarded as fraudulent.

I have also shown how Surya Deva has engaged in a continuing pattern of personal attacks against me, often employing lies, misrepresentation, and other dishonest tactics, along with other bad behavior on the forum. If the management allows this to continue, it can only be to its own detriment.

@Surya Deva

Report this!

#124

[QUOTE=Avatar186;75649]Patanjali’s writing. Has he written anything more? Its funny I’ve read this text here and their. But its been a while. I just read it again. Amazing.
His system truly is practical, if you use the definition of practical. In the same sense western phychology is not practical. :stuck_out_tongue:
I think I shall start a thread on patanjali’s text.
Like I said is their any more writings under him?[/QUOTE]

No, not really. There was a Sanskrit grammarian named Patanjali, probably not the same person. Also most scholars agree that even the yoga sutras was not written by a single individual, but was compiled from several texts over a period of time.

#125

Its sorce does not matter. Only the content within. :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile: