[QUOTE=The Scales;54505]
Just think of the inner turmoil those poor indian yogis had to endure when faced with fully clothed shiva rea and her suggestive dancing - in the flesh.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
at least your heart goes out for someone!
The above is further evidence that what is considered too sexual for one culture is nothing to blink at for another. It can’t be said that one is right and one is wrong.
What I want to add about this talk of women being respected in India is this – if you respect women, you respect all women. If you say “I respect Indian women but not English women” or “I respect women in long skirts but not in short skirts” then that is not really respect for [I]women[/I]. It is a reflection of what one’s social conditioning has taught them to think of as respectable. Respect is unconditional when it comes from the understanding that we are all one, and that is much closer to the idea of yoga than respect which is occasional and dependent on the hem of a woman’s skirt.
Well put.
“I respect Indian women but not English women” or “I respect women in long skirts but not in short skirts” then that is not really respect for women.
You respect those who respect themselves first. A woman objectifying herself, does not respect herself, otherwise she would not objectify herself.
Even here in the UK men do not respect women. I am a man, trust me, the kind of conversations we guys have about women would horrify you. My friend is notorious for groping women, slapping their ass. Like I said, I have recently started to disapprove of this behaviour.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54537]You respect those who respect themselves first. A woman objectifying herself, does not respect herself, otherwise she would not objectify herself.
Even here in the UK men do not respect women. I am a man, trust me, the kind of conversations we guys have about women would horrify you. My friend is notorious for groping women, slapping their ass. Like I said, I have recently started to disapprove of this behaviour.[/QUOTE]
Very well put! 
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54537] I am a man, trust me, the kind of conversations we guys have about women would horrify you.[/QUOTE]
This is very revealing. No man I consider a friend speaks of women in the way you and your buddies do. Who are the objectifiers? You are, it seems.
This is very revealing. No man I consider a friend speaks of women in the way you and your buddies do. Who are the objectifiers? You are, it seems.
I am not surprised you would deny this and just blame me and my friends. You are a Western patriot with a misplaced sense of patriotism. You do not accept any criticism of the West and behave like it is immune. When others critice it, you insult them and their culture, as if that is going to absolve the West of its ills.
We know how common the objectification of women in Western culture is. It is all over the media where women are used to sell products, semi naked to naked images of them are plastered on magazine covers. Many cultural critics have spoken about how women are objectified in Western culture. It is blatant for everybody to see.
Like I said when I go out it not uncommon for me to see groups of men walk by women and make sexual advances on them. In bars and clubs, groups of men surround women like sexual predators, and then they make moves on them. The women often reciprocate, and within minutes they are grinding on the dance floor, groping each other.
I recall a friend of mine in college who was an older student, 40 with kids. Me, her and my college mates went out on a night out. The female friends had hooked up with some men and booked a hotel(to do you know what) My 40 year old friend who had to leave early gave me a lift back. When we got near mine, she got a phone call from one of the men, he said, “All my other male friends hooked up, and I have not, come back to the hotel” She seriously considered it, and then started to rationaize, “Yes, I know he wants sex, but is my choice whether I give it to him or not” Later I found out she went back.
Unfortunately, in the West, this relationship has been interalized and normalized. My friend clearly did not respect herself. He treated her like a call-girl, who he can call on a whim to get a sexual favour from, for free. And she reciprocated.
If I was your Zen master I would give you all a beating…
You will have to jettison every concept, every conclusion, your spiritual tenets, and even your very individual self, in order to achieve liberation some day…
Engage your sadhana now!
You will have to jettison every concept, every conclusion, your spiritual tenets, and even your very individual self, in order to achieve liberation some day…
This will lead to you becoming brain dead.
Sorry I don’t do Zen philosophy.
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I recall a friend of mine in college who was an older student, 40 with kids. Me, her and my college mates went out on a night out. The female friends had hooked up with some men and booked a hotel(to do you know what) My 40 year old friend who had to leave early gave me a lift back. When we got near mine, she got a phone call from one of the men, he said, “All my other male friends hooked up, and I have not, come back to the hotel” She seriously considered it, and then started to rationaize, “Yes, I know he wants sex, but is my choice whether I give it to him or not” Later I found out she went back
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Sorry you didn’t get laid that night SD. Sounds like opted for some fun and Doritos instead of a boring little ideologue rambling on and on about how things ‘should’ be. She sounds like a modern woman fully empowered by her own sexuality to me.
It is sad that you support the objectification of women and pass that off as sexual liberation and freedom for them. It is sad that you think a woman who gets called by a random men she met, for a sexual favour, is a woman fully empowered.
You are part of the problem not the solution. If western women respected themselves,
it is people like you they would oppose for your chauvanistic attitudes towards women.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54575]It is sad that you support the objectification of women and pass that off as sexual liberation and freedom for them. It is sad that you think a woman who gets called by a random men she met, for a sexual favour, is a woman fully empowered.
You are part of the problem not the solution. If western women respected themselves,
it is people like you they would oppose for your chauvanistic attitudes towards women.[/QUOTE]
Hey, don’t yell at me. I’m not the one practicing chaturanga dandasana and surya namaskara on your girlfriend in some seedy hotel room [I](*note the clever way I am able to bring the discussion back to yoga). [/I]
I’m with you on this one. How could she possibly opt for a laugh with a lively group of youthful people over an evening googling and pasting endless passages of text that no one will ever fully read, never mind understand. That is beyond me.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54551] My friend clearly did not respect herself. He treated her like a call-girl, who he can call on a whim to get a sexual favour from, for free.[/QUOTE]
For free?? You mean she didn’t even have the decency to charge by the hour? 
I was just watching an old episode of Sex and the City called The F*uck Buddy. The funny thing is, as the women are talking about how they have these guys that they just call up (like call guys), they’re in a yoga class. It was just too good not to mention. Love the part where Miranda bows Namaste as she says she has no idea what her buddy does apart from what she wants him for. These guys clearly do not respect themselves.
Check it out: http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/loombo.php?id=23wjbd9la5lh
Here is some food for thought!
One of my recently divorced MALE (about 35) friend, found himself on the receiving end of phone calls of girls he worked with that were looking for a “good time”.
All were under 30. To each their own.
As for wearing skimpy clothes out for a night on the town, it is a must in the summer. Trust me! Besides, those clothes force you to become more confident about who you are in your own body. There is no room for self doubt. It can be empowering to your self esteem to wear them because it says that I am happy with who I am and with what I have. How many people in this world can truly say that?
This is yoga forums… right?? arguments on women will never end, so let’s get back to what we do best… ranting about yoga!
[QUOTE=TeeA;54720]Here is some food for thought!
One of my recently divorced MALE (about 35) friend, found himself on the receiving end of phone calls of girls he worked with that were looking for a “good time”.
All were under 30. To each their own.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like I said it has been internalized in Western culture. The women and the men are just as bad as each other. Dare I say it is a culture which gives prostituion legtimacy. How freely men and women meeting in bars and clubs have sex with each other. The average number of sexual partners for a 20-30 year old is 20+. In fact who needs prostitutes for sex now days, just go down a club and pick a woman up, take her back and shag her, the morning after slip out of bed and move onto your next conquest.
For the benefit of all let’s stick to yoga talk
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54734]The average number of sexual partners for a 20-30 year old is 20+. In fact who needs prostitutes for sex now days, just go down a club and pick a woman up, take her back and shag her, the morning after slip out of bed and move onto your next conquest.[/QUOTE]
Is that really the average?? 20+ Partners?? Wow, that’s a lot!!
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;54481]Awesome!! Thanks doc!! I’m official diagnosed as a stud!!![/QUOTE]
Scream…!