2 basic paths to tread on the way to enlightenment

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#1

i heard osho talk about how there are 2 basic paths to tread on the way to enlightenment. the path of enjoyment (bhakti ect) and the path of questioning (self-enquiry ect). it sucks reading about stuff because no matter what you will always find a contradiction… like osho say’s that the path of enjoyment is the better path. but then in other writing he advocates the who am i? self enquiry and says that if you currently have a doubting mentality it’s a good thing and make sur eyou see it though till the end…

i’ve seen other teachers say the same type of basic thing? so what conclusion should you make from it? well i guess right off the abt is to stop caring about being “complete” and “together” and “rigid”, lol… i see benefits from both sides. you find the love in everything so you eventually become that love and realize the love is truly you i suppose. one thing to talk about it though, lol… trying to say a lot, itegrate a sense of humor into my life, lol… i’m really gigling…

anyway, i see that it’s most benefiicial to just relax into life. i became very “nihilistic” in my encounters of eastern spirituality. questioning much and letting myself be depressed, thinking everything is futile. i’ve been in an existential crisis for waaaaaayyyy too long… so the path of enjoyment i see would help me extremely. i find myself reactivley assuming self-destructive behavior and attitudes towards myself and others. like i’ll sing even if i sense others are annoyed. develop pride in places that pride really should not be… stuff like that…

so, i was wondering whether poeple here can help me out and give me some good bhakti stuff. i like the stuff here alot, but i was hoping that people can give me some particulars. for instance one thing that i got from the mastery of love book by don miguel ruiz was trying to come up with as many ways that you can say “i love you” that you can think of. so i blow kisses to trees and stuff (usually when no one is looking, lol) or bow when i’m thinking about osho. things like that, just to enjoy myself, and accept life as it comes.

and possibly a way to deal with the part of my mind that’s still doubting everything that crosses it’s path…

thank you very much :slight_smile:

#2

Hi piyush123,
Welcome on the forum and thanks for interesting post!
Could you please write a bit how you understand bhakti? And also what are your core values in your life and how they relate to your desire practice bhakti? That would be helpful in better understanding what you are looking for.

#3

Combine all tools to maximum effect, but only if your so inclined.

I think Bhoga means enjoyment. Whereas Bhakti is like love / devotion kind of thing. But I don’t think they are exclusive to each other. You can enjoy Bhakti.

Karma Yoga works with Bhakti. Good Karma yoga dissolves obscurations. Bhakti dissolves obscurations and focuses the mind on our object of devotion. God is always best. But if you worship the tree you worship God. If you worship buddha you worship God. If you worship your body you worship God. If you worship your work you worship God. and so on all in a round about way. Through Jnana you understand how this is so.

Jnana is the process of negation and anylization Who am I? Who centers the wheel? Who is this Almighty Awesome? Who is this that thinks these thoughts? These negations eventually brings us to us.

Neti Neti Right? Not this. Nope not that? Not that either. Maybe? Nope. Not that either.

#4

Hi Piyush123,

There is no ‘stuff’ here. In Yoga, there are as many paths as there are yogis. Each is unique. Reason is simple. Just look back upon your own life. The family that you are born into, the personality that you have developed, the legacy of diseases that you have inherited, your likes and dislikes, the circumstances that you have gone through make your life unique!

Yoga touches all that is said above andin that sense yoga is life. If you want to continue to believe that yoga is sport, hobby, fun-thing, pastime, or lol, its your choice. After a few years, if you happen to learn more about yoga and experience it, you may look back and regret your current choice. But again, each life is unique, each yoga-path is unique.

What changes life, if you look at great people, is readiness to change yourself. A real change always happens in all earnest and seriousness. Even Osho’s concept of ‘enjoyment’ is then studied, questioned, deeply analysed and not just taken flippantly. A doubting mind is exactly where Yoga begins.

#5

[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;33573]Hi Piyush123,

There is no ‘stuff’ here. In Yoga, there are as many paths as there are yogis. Each is unique. Reason is simple. Just look back upon your own life. The family that you are born into, the personality that you have developed, the legacy of diseases that you have inherited, your likes and dislikes, the circumstances that you have gone through make your life unique!
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That beautiful! Just hit the nail on the head. I personally like Tibetan Buddhist, cause the deities and meditations are about mind training. It’s very practical and doesn’t call on to the practitioner to except any metaphysical claims. That suits me like gold!

#6

Suhas Tambe;

Who are you and where did you come from :smiley: We need more people like you. There are a few too many fundamentalist floating around the forums at the moment. All the “I’m right and I know it” types. Se if you can spot them lol

#7

One of thier name is Yogiadam.

Samantrabhadra.