Amaroli - Is Drinking Urine Safe?

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#9

“First, yogis who can levitate, disappear and be in 2 places at once like those in Autobiography of a Yogi can drink their urine”

Have you ever levitated, disappeared, or been in two places at once ? If you have not, I would not accept anything whatsoever which has yet to enter into ones direct perception. One also has to understand that much of the language of the yogic sciences comes from a culture which has been heavily symbolic and has used imagination as a means to preserve certain truths. If, reading certain yogic texts, you happen to come across a statement which says that by performing a certain technique the yogi transcends death and old age, this should not be interpreted literally. It simply means that at the level of ones consciousness, one has moved beyond ones physical limitations. Or if you really believe that Shiva has several arms, a third eye, and dances this universe into existence and out of existence, then one is simply being foolish.

“like those in Autobiography of a Yogi”

As Parahamsa Yogananda was speaking on behalf of his tradition, he has to state things in a way which supports his tradition rather than anything which has to do with Truth. It is impossible for the physical body to levitate, just as you can never get the sun to revolve around the Earth, one cannot change the laws of nature.

“They are beyond the reach of physical and material limitations. Most of us aren’t there.”

If you think they are beyond physical limitations in the sense that they no longer have to breathe, or that they no longer bleed when cut, then that is not the state of a yogi. Like everybody else, one has to walk on ones feet and, if there is nuclear warfare, his body too cannot survive. To be beyond physical limitations does not mean that you have destroyed them, it simply means that they no longer function as a hindrance for your freedom, at the level of your consciousness you are birthless and deathless. Though the body may decay and rot, ones original nature remains untouched.

As far as amaroli is concerned, you do not need to come to some kind of superhuman state to practice it, or withdraw yourself from the society. All that is needed is to do enough sadhana to purify your system. That can be done anywhere.

#10

“Your kidneys work to remove the urine from your body…why put it back in?
If you are healthy and your kidneys are functioning and you have water to drink it seems like a waste of time to put into your body something that your body just got rid of… why stress your elimination systems by putting waste back in?”

There is nothing dirty about the kidneys, it is their function to filter and purify. Unless your kidneys are infected, provided you are living a healthy way of life and have been practicing sadhana, there is no possibility of getting an infection of any kind. Certainly it is “waste” if you consider the simple fact that it is being released from the body. But it is waste in the same way that a seed which falls from a fruit is waste. It is not waste in the same sense as feces, which is not a material which is filtered, nor is it the function of the intestines to filter it.

There is another factor to consider, which is not so much related but is significant. That even to consciously become inflicted with sickness can in fact strengthen the bodys capabilities to heal itself. In something like aghora yoga, the disciple will eat feces and eat the raw flesh of human corpses. And many times he will become sick, but that is the whole point. Eventually over time, combined with practice, his body develops an immunity. Such methods are tremendously dangerous - but they do work if done properly.

The body has tremendous healing capabilities in its own nature, but those potentials remain hidden from the average person because they are largely initiated by the mind. Different states of consciousness have different potentials and different effects on the body, and the abilities of the body to heal itself in a tremendous way becomes possible once one activates certain aspects of ones unconscious, which are there in everybody, but remain hidden from ones perception. Both the mind and the body do not nearly function to their full potential, and this is simply because man has not made an effect to bring his system to optimal functioning.

#11

[QUOTE=panoramix;59815]I’m practicing it for the past five months, it has healed my allergies that manifested as vasomotor rhinitis and asthma attacks.

Traditional medicine and homeopathy failed. Amaroli worked.

I gave up animal protein (dairy) for producing an eligible shivambhu. The first one early in the morning tastes too strong, but the rest aren’t bad.

Regards[/QUOTE]

My severe allergy issues were resolved when I eliminated dairy, wheat (basically gluten free), introduced sinus irrigation twice a day, down a few supplements each day; quercetin & bromelain, asana also helped, irrigate first then do asana. I work (day job) with several people the last 30 years who drank the ?water of life? as they would say, I can?t get past the thought and their breath smelled funny, they appeared to be healthy into their 70?s now?

#12

ah yes well this is my understanding.

Much of what is commonly called scripture is written for both the general populace and the ‘initiate’

Ya folla?

Take the Bible for example. It is a common text and many read it. The ‘uninitiated’ may read a passage as a nice story - or moral teaching - or as some gobeldy gook. The initiate may read the same passage as something completely different.

This is true of the Gita, and from what i’ve seen many yogic shastras, compendiums and whathaveyous.

I am unfamiliar with the KORAN and there is much of the King James that I have yet to read.

I believe this verse/sloka within the HYP falls under the category of ESOTERIC.

But hey you know what - if it floats your boat - Enjoy!

Bottoms up!

#13

My entire body and mind is repulsed by the idea of drinking urine. I’m going to trust the revulsion instincts as deep wisdom and avoid drinking urine or feasting on defecation.

#14

“My entire body and mind is repulsed by the idea of drinking urine.”

That is simply a psychological phenomenon, just as another may drink it and not feel any repulsion whatsoever. And if you have such deep aversion - then perhaps that is the very reason why you should become involved in the act and move your conditioning.

#15

No chance Jose.

#16

Gather courage and will, and step outside of your comfort zone.

#17

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59914]Gather courage and will, and step outside of your comfort zone.[/QUOTE]

You seem like a guy who does a lot of things without understanding why.

#18

I have pointed these out before. I will do it again just so that Amir's garbage does not get mistaken as wisdom:

If, reading certain yogic texts, you happen to come across a statement which says that by performing a certain technique the yogi transcends death and old age, this should not be interpreted literally. It simply means that at the level of ones consciousness, one has moved beyond ones physical limitations. Or if you really believe that Shiva has several arms, a third eye, and dances this universe into existence and out of existence, then one is simply being foolish.

One is equally foolish to mistake mythology for technical descriptions in Yoga texts which mention clearly that hunger and thrist can be ended if one practices a certain yoga technique. There exists plenty of accounts of yogis throughut yoga lore who have demonstrated these abilities.

As Parahamsa Yogananda was speaking on behalf of his tradition, he has to state things in a way which supports his tradition rather than anything which has to do with Truth. It is impossible for the physical body to levitate, just as you can never get the sun to revolve around the Earth, one cannot change the laws of nature.

Nope, Yogananda was talking about his life. Hence why it is called an autobiography. These are events that happened in this life. You are accusing him of being a liar without having any proof in your hand to show he is lying.
Secondly, while it is certainly impossible for the sun go around the earth(as a result the earth would fall out of orbit) levitation is certainly not impossible:

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~ulf/levitation.html

CHICAGO ? U.S. scientists have found a way to levitate the very smallest objects using the strange forces of quantum mechanics, and said on Wednesday they might use it to help make tiny nanotechnology machines

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478664,00.html

Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists.

In earlier work the same team of theoretical physicists showed that invisibility cloaks are feasible.

Now, in another report that sounds like it comes out of the pages of a Harry Potter book, the University of St Andrews team has created an 'incredible levitation effects? by engineering the force of nature which normally causes objects to stick together.

Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.

Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.

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You were saying? :wink:

#19

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;59901]My entire body and mind is repulsed by the idea of drinking urine. I’m going to trust the revulsion instincts as deep wisdom and avoid drinking urine or feasting on defecation.[/QUOTE]

It’s a cultural issue. The urine of a healthy, detoxed man is a clean, nutritious, healing substance.

Even animals naturally do it, look:

#20

Sarva,

"You seem like a guy who does a lot of things without understanding why. "

I would not even be using any technique unless I understood it’s nature, nor would I even be speaking of the matter unless it was out of my own direct experience. The technology of yoga is not a mere child’s play, and unless one has thorough understanding of one’s inner workings, most of these methods can only damage oneself. Our system is very complex, and every aspect of one’s being is interconnected in such a way that it is impossible for any change to happen in any one part without it influencing all of the other parts. It is simply that I do not agree with your approach of clinging to one’s knowledge. The moment one clings to anything whatsoever, one has become prejudiced, one loses all clarity of vision. That is why what is absolutely needed is an eye which is capable of seeing without liking or disliking, without neither attraction nor aversion, without a finger for or against. Unless you come to a thorough understanding that all of our words and descriptions are inadequate in coming to know of things as they are - they it is going to be impossible to understand what I am saying.

#21

Surya,

“One is equally foolish to mistake mythology for technical descriptions in Yoga texts which mention clearly that hunger and thrist can be ended if one practices a certain yoga technique.”

Yes, that is possible. And I know this from direct experience, as I have awakened the same siddhi. But if you consider something like “flying in the sky”, then you are simply being idiotic in the same way that a Christian is being idiotic by actually believing that there was a Tree of Knowledge and Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden. And the fact that you are so desperate to cling to these siddhis reflects your own vulgar mind - which is far more interested in lust for power rather than wisdom. Unless you are willing to surrender and surrender totally, become absolutely powerless to a force which is beyond your own limited ego, then you have yet to realize what is needed for communion with the Way.

“There exists plenty of accounts of yogis throughut yoga lore who have demonstrated these abilities.”

It is one’s own childish imagination which wants to believe just about anything that crosses one’s path without question, as long as it appeals to one’s ego. Stories are just stories, and it does not matter where they come from. If you simply accept them without question, then you are not different than any dogmatic person who accepts things on the basis of blind belief. And of course, one will try to bend one’s logic according to one’s beliefs. Whatever has yet to enter into one’s own experience has no relevance whatsoever. And even if such a thing was possible, you still have to live in one and the same present moment. The moment you have lost contact with the present in your awareness, you have lost contact with the whole existence. Outside of this, there is no religion.

"Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists. "

It does not require a scientific experiment to prove that levitation in nature is possible. All that you need to do is swim in water to see that. Those experiments they were doing was through the aid of scientific technology, and it is not in the intention of nature that the human body should levitate or have the potential to levitate, just as it is not in the nature of the human body to fly in the air. Try as one may - you are never going to grow wings, regardless of even infinite siddhis that one may awaken.

"In earlier work the same team of theoretical physicists showed that invisibility cloaks are feasible. "

Yes, they have already been invented and put to use. And their use depends on external technology. The human body cannot become invisible, although it is possible to awaken a state of consciousness where it will make you less visible to others in their experience.

#22

Amir,

I humbly opine that the power of consciousness is limitless.

The laws of nature you refer to are stable but illusory before the atman. God’s own projections, one may transcend and handle them at will when retrieving one’s true godly nature.

They are not miracles, but natural extensions of our faculties.

#23

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;59823]My severe allergy issues were resolved when I eliminated dairy, wheat (basically gluten free), introduced sinus irrigation twice a day, down a few supplements each day; quercetin & bromelain, asana also helped, irrigate first then do asana. I work (day job) with several people the last 30 years who drank the ?water of life? as they would say, I can?t get past the thought and their breath smelled funny, they appeared to be healthy into their 70?s now?[/QUOTE]

It is frequent to develop immuno-intolerance to wheat as we have daily consumed/abused it. Our digestive organs deplete the enzymes needed for digesting the foods we’ve abused, and our immunoglobulins consider them strange bodies. That’s the origin of some ailments.

Have you ever heard about imupro-300 blood test? One can override several pathologies setting an strict, personalized diet.

#24

panoramix,

“the power of consciousness is limitless”

This may be just an excuse to believe just about anything at all. If the power of consciousness is limited, then one can make the Sun revolve around the Earth, or make the fiction of the second coming of Christ into a reality. But it does not matter what your “powers” of consciousness are, you can never make the sun revolve around the Earth, or make the story of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming come true. One has to understand that anything which is functioning according to time and space has to be limited, as time and space themselves are limited. And as consciousness is a limiting quality in itself, that is another limitation that is to be emptied out. The energy of one’s original nature does not transcend the laws of nature, nor does it have any intention to do so.

The reason why one is clinging to the idea of the otherworldly is because things as they are, in all their ordinariness, has not managed to bring oneself to a contentment. Otherwise, you will see that the miracle is not of walking on water or changing water into wine - but the sun appearing in the morning, the grass growing in the spring, and the water flowing down the stream.

“The laws of nature you refer to are stable but illusory before the atman.”

One will first have to investigate for oneself and find out whether such an “atman” exists. So far it remains just a hypothesis - which may or may not be true. And because you have already accepted something as a belief rather than recognizing one’s own ignorance, that one does not know, in the same breath one has prevented oneself from knowing.

“God’s own projections”

It is God which is one’s own projection. That word will mean whatever one wants it to mean. Whatever one wants it to mean is certainly going to come from the one-sided lenses of the intellect.

“one may transcend and handle them at will when retrieving one’s true godly nature.”

The whole existence with all of it’s shapes and forms is there - and yet one continues seeking some “godly” nature beyond it. Seeing and yet remaining absolutely blind, hearing and yet remaining absolutely deaf - the whole paradise is available and yet man cuts himself off from it in a blink of an eye.

#25

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59971]Surya,

“One is equally foolish to mistake mythology for technical descriptions in Yoga texts which mention clearly that hunger and thrist can be ended if one practices a certain yoga technique.”

But if you consider something like “flying in the sky”, then you are simply being idiotic in the same way that a Christian is being idiotic by actually believing that there was a Tree of Knowledge and Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

Those same technical descriptions which describe techniques for arresting hunger and thrist, also give techniques for flying :wink: So why is one real and the other mythology if they occur in the same text?

You pick and choose simply based on what you like or dislike.

“There exists plenty of accounts of yogis throughut yoga lore who have demonstrated these abilities.”

Stories are just stories

Although you sure are fond of citing stories of Buddha aren’t you :wink: So why are those stories true and the ones describing siddhis false.

Again pick and choose on what you like or dislike.

"Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists. "

and it is not in the intention of nature that the human body should levitate or have the potential to levitate, just as it is not in the nature of the human body to fly in the air. Try as one may - you are never going to grow wings, regardless of even infinite siddhis that one may awaken.

But arresting food and hunger is in the nature of the human body :wink: You pick and choose what you like and dislike.

If the mind can control matter on one level it can control them on all levels. Right now, via my mind I am controlling my limbs. I can even regulate my breath. By applying yogic techniques my mind can control my body temperature, heart beat, body temperature, which were previously outside of my control.

The above links shows that levitation is caused to happen by generating a quantum force from the zero point energy field at the fundamental level of matter which can generate an upwards force pusing an object up. Well, guess what the human body is matter and thus it also has a zero point energy field at the fundamental level and thus it can also generate an upwards pushing quantum force.

You cannot produce one reason why mind should not be able to control matter at the fundamental level - you simply state it based on your prejudice on what sounds possible to you and what sounds impossible to you because on your belief you are awakened Buddha. Just because you don’t have these abilities, you conclude that they are impossible :wink:

Interesting eh, going into the zero point energy field and generating an upwards force to push - sounds very similar to Patanjali:

3.40 By the mastery over udana, the upward flowing prana vayu, there is a cessation of contact with mud, water, thorns, and other such objects, and there ensues the rising or levitation of the body.
(udana jayat jala panka kantaka adisu asangah utkrantih cha)

udana = one of the five prana vayus (upward flow of prana in the body)
jaya = by mastery
jala = water
panka = mud, as in a swamp
kantaka = thorn
adisu = and with others, et cetera
asangah = no contact, no adhesion, cessation of contact
utkrantih = rising, ascension, levitation
cha = and
Rising or levitation: By the mastery over udana vayu there ensues the rising or levitation of the body.

Pranas flow in the akasha as subtle currents - yep zero point energy field.

Yes, they have already been invented and put to use. And their use depends on external technology. The human body cannot become invisible, although it is possible to awaken a state of consciousness where it will make you less visible to others in their experience.

Interestingly, the physics behind how the invisibility cloak works is also a dead ringer for Patanjali:

When samyama is done on the form of one’s own physical body, the illumination or visual characteristic of the body is suspended, and is thus invisible to other people.
(kaya rupa samyama tat grahya shakti tat stambhe chaksuh prakasha asamprayoga antardhanam)

kaya = body
rupa = form
samyama = dharana (concentration), dhyana (meditation), and samadhi taken together (3.4)
tat = that
grahya = can be perceived, capable of receiving
shakti = power, capacity
tat = that
stambhe = to be checked, suspended
chaksuh = of the eye
prakasha = light, illumination, visual characteristic
asamprayoga = there being no contact, disconnected, separated contact
antardhanam = invisibility, disappearance

:wink:

Look, you are wrong. These siddhis in fact do exist and Patanjali actually gives the correct physics too. The truth is Amir, you are nowhere near enlightenment and this is why you have not found these siddhis :smiley: It requires consciousness so powerful it can penetrate into the quantum field.

#26

Surya,

As you have already decided to cling to your conclusions, there is no purpose in discussing this deeper.

#27

“By applying yogic techniques my mind can control my body temperature, heart beat, body temperature, which were previously outside of my control”

I am certain one day with your mind you are also going to change the speed of light, the temperature at which water boils, and whether men are born from the womb of women.

#28

Amir:

Evidently we hold different cosmologies:

You think consciousness is in universe.
I think universe is in consciousness.