Amaroli - Is Drinking Urine Safe?

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#50

[QUOTE=JenniLeigh;60180]“Assuming Amaroli, by definition, is tied to achieving a meditative state, which it isn’t.”

The presence of melatonin creates a certain state of relaxation, which is conducive to meditation. Specific awareness is needed as to precisely how it’s function affects the mind, which requires individual experimentation. It can be particularly useful, but is limited to the temporary. Gurus have as much tendency as the average individual for dependency on external circumstances, in order to remain balanced.[/QUOTE]

Interesting.

I was always taught that Amaroli was merely urine therapy. I have never heard that it contains chemicals a pseudo-Yogi would use utilized to induce an artificial state of concentration and relaxation.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

#51

Nietzche,

“I was always taught that Amaroli was merely urine therapy”

Like any technique, it impacts one’s system in several ways. It has also been used for it’s therapeutic effects, as it heightens the body’s immune system. That was another reason why it was used by yogis, because when you are living in the forest or the mountains, if you are to survive you have to bring your system to a state where it has a high level of endurance. For example the practice of amaroli, combined with other techniques, helped the yogi to become immune to snake bites, it is a kind of siddhi of the body. If one had already undergone certain purification, amaroli would also help accelerate a thorough purification of the nadis. If you were working on specific chakra centers, then too amaroli can be used in such a way as to awaken different energy centers. So that amaroli is simply urine therapy is just scratching the surface of the technique.

#52

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;60374]Nietzche,

“I was always taught that Amaroli was merely urine therapy”

Like any technique, it impacts one’s system in several ways. It has also been used for it’s therapeutic effects, as it heightens the body’s immune system. That was another reason why it was used by yogis, because when you are living in the forest or the mountains, if you are to survive you have to bring your system to a state where it has a high level of endurance. For example the practice of amaroli, combined with other techniques, helped the yogi to become immune to snake bites, it is a kind of siddhi of the body. If one had already undergone certain purification, amaroli would also help accelerate a thorough purification of the nadis. If you were working on specific chakra centers, then too amaroli can be used in such a way as to awaken different energy centers. So that amaroli is simply urine therapy is just scratching the surface of the technique.[/QUOTE]

Interesting…

Thank you for the information.

#53

I hope there is as potent a substance in existance, that can also assist one in developing an immunity to snake oil.

If urine contains any such qualities, they are exceedingly subtle, and certainly not worth the excitement you are attempting to generate, Amir.

#54

“I have never heard that it contains chemicals a pseudo-Yogi would use utilized to induce an artificial state of concentration and relaxation.”

I have already agreed with this.

:slight_smile:

#55

“If urine contains any such qualities, they are exceedingly subtle”

The urine of one who has purified one’s system is of a different quality than that of the average person. Nor is the technique meant to be practiced just for a day or two. Like all of the techniques of the yogic sciences, it’s impact upon your being will reveal itself over time - it’s effects are cumulative, not instantaneous. That is the problem with most people - they want a quick fix and to witness immediate results, and when they do not, they become disappointed and dismiss the process. If you practice amaroli or something like pranayam once a week, it is not going to do much. But if you practice everyday, and remain one-pointed in the discipline, over time you will start to witness things which otherwise would have never entered into your experience. Neither is amaroli intended to be practiced by itself - but in combination with other methods. For example, if you really want to witness how it assists in meditation, you will also have to be practicing meditation. If you really want to witness how it assists in purification of the nadis, you will also have to practice pranayam, asana, kriyas, mudras, bandhas, and other preparatory methods. In fact, the technique is often to be introduced to the disciple at a much later point in time, when he has already done much work with pranayam, asana, kriyas, and mudras. Once you start practicing the technique in this context, you will find that it’s effects are entirely different than that of a person who has tried practicing amaroli from the beginning, without any other training. The same is the case with practicing such observances as non-violence. Just by trying to be non-violent alone, that does not mean you are going to become awakened. Just by not-stealing, that does not mean you are going to come to a transformation. But when used in combination with many other disciplines, the effect is not subtle - everything contributes enormously to helping prepare the mind for transformation.

#56

It is of no greater potency, it simply may contain less toxicity.

#57

Cumuliative?

These substances are excreted once more, within hours.

#58

“But when used in combination with many other disciplines, the effect is not subtle - everything contributes enormously to helping prepare the mind for transformation.”

And, how does this differ, from other forms of slavery?

#59

If you are speaking of a cumulative effect upon meditativeness, regardless, it must be discarded eventually.

#60

[QUOTE=JenniLeigh;60384]“I have never heard that it contains chemicals a pseudo-Yogi would use utilized to induce an artificial state of concentration and relaxation.”

I have already agreed with this.

:)[/QUOTE]

No. I was agreeing with you. :wink:

I don’t know how common or frequent the practice of Amaroli is in India. In all the Puranas I have read and in all the years I have spent in India, I never saw mention of any sage drinking his urine to subsist.

This will definitely be something I will look into.

#61

:cool:

#62

Nietzsche,

It has been mentioned by the oldest written texts on medicine through Ayurveda, and has been mentioned in tantric texts such as the Damar Tantra, as well as the Hatha Yoga Pradikipa. Amongst tantrics it is well known as Shivambu, meaning the “nectar of Shiva”. But it does not matter who has spoken about it, just because it is mentioned by ancient sources does not mean anything whatsoever.

“This will definitely be something I will look into.”

If you really want to investigate into the matter, one will have to become involved in the practice, there is no other way. Everything else as to whether it is useful or not useful is entirely speculation.

#63

"These substances are excreted once more, within hours. "

It is not a matter of excretion, most of it becomes absorbed into one’s system. At the level of the gross body, it becomes absorbed into the nervous system through the blood stream. At the the level of the subtle body, it has an impact upon different subtle energies, particularly prana and apana at the level of the chest and navel.

“And, how does this differ, from other forms of slavery?”

What is “slavery” has little to do with the actions that you are doing, and more to do with the spirit by which you are performing the actions. The right kind of practice is that kind of practice which can act, and yet which is absolutely unconcerned with the fruits of the action. Outwardly - the same action done with awareness look the same as the same action done out of unawareness. But they are totally different. Though the action is the same, one binds, the other liberates.

And to be in a state of slavery is needed in the beginning, because that is the space from which most people are, that is how one has been living for ages. The slavery will have to be used in the beginning and then transformed. The fact is that if you do nothing, nothing changes. A method is needed, not to come to one’s liberation, but to dissolve the psychological hindrances which are preventing oneself from coming to one’s liberation. These obstacles are not simply going to surrender on their own accord - they are a deep part of the programming of the mind and body. Like anything else in life, things will happen because you have created the possibility for it to happen.

#64

This is still temporary, Amir.

So, what you are saying, is that you personally require such slavery, yet it is not necessary?

#65

Since it is only the space in which ‘most’ people are, but not all?

#66

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;60396]Nietzsche,

It has been mentioned by the oldest written texts on medicine through Ayurveda, and has been mentioned in tantric texts such as the Damar Tantra, as well as the Hatha Yoga Pradikipa. Amongst tantrics it is well known as Shivambu, meaning the “nectar of Shiva”. But it does not matter who has spoken about it, just because it is mentioned by ancient sources does not mean anything whatsoever.

“This will definitely be something I will look into.”

If you really want to investigate into the matter, one will have to become involved in the practice, there is no other way. Everything else as to whether it is useful or not useful is entirely speculation.[/QUOTE]

No, that isn’t what I meant when I said “this will definitely be something I will look into.”

#67

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59822]
There is nothing dirty about the kidneys, it is their function to filter and purify. Unless your kidneys are infected, provided you are living a healthy way of life and have been practicing sadhana, there is no possibility of getting an infection of any kind. Certainly it is “waste” if you consider the simple fact that it is being released from the body. But it is waste in the same way that a seed which falls from a fruit is waste. It is not waste in the same sense as feces, which is not a material which is filtered, nor is it the function of the intestines to filter it. [/QUOTE]

There is nothing “dirty” about the kidneys. It doesn’t have to do with “dirt.” The kidneys filter toxic substances - that is how they purify. They filter toxins (both toxic products of our own metabolism as well as environmental toxins) from the blood stream so that the body can get rid of them in the urine before they cause disease in the body. There’s a list of filtered toxins found in urine here.

The intestines do not need to “filter” because they are technically still outside of the body. Think of the entire tract from mouth to anus as external and as a barrier like the skin on our arms. It forms by a process of invagination embryonically. Urine and feces are both true waste. The distinction of one filtering and one not makes little sense. Once the toxin, or waste, is truly inside the human body within the tissues and blood, the only way to remove it is by filtration.

Infection is something else entirely. Amir is correct. It is highly unlikely that one would get an infection from drinking urine.

He is not correct about urine waste being like a seed. A seed is in no way waste for a tree! It is more correctly analogous to its ovum or its sperm. It is through the seed that a tree gets rebirth and extension of life of its species.

#68

Thanks Doc. Of course, the counter argument that is indoubtedly forthcoming is that one who practices clean ingesting, as in true yogic diet, will have pure urine free of toxins. Your sound clarification will fall on deafened ears.

#69

[QUOTE=theYogadr.;60420]There is nothing “dirty” about the kidneys. It doesn’t have to do with “dirt.” The kidneys filter toxic substances - that is how they purify. They filter toxins (both toxic products of our own metabolism as well as environmental toxins) from the blood stream so that the body can get rid of them in the urine before they cause disease in the body. There’s a list of filtered toxins found in urine here.

The intestines do not need to “filter” because they are technically still outside of the body. Think of the entire tract from mouth to anus as external and as a barrier like the skin on our arms. It forms by a process of invagination embryonically. Urine and feces are both true waste. The distinction of one filtering and one not makes little sense. Once the toxin, or waste, is truly inside the human body within the tissues and blood, the only way to remove it is by filtration.

Infection is something else entirely. Amir is correct. It is highly unlikely that one would get an infection from drinking urine.

He is not correct about urine waste being like a seed. A seed is in no way waste for a tree! It is more correctly analogous to its ovum or its sperm. It is through the seed that a tree gets rebirth and extension of life of its species.[/QUOTE]

Well said doc.

I trust you and not the pseudo-intellectuals here.

At least you have a degree. The other people here are only well-versed in pseudo-science.