Attachments

Spirituality
#1

Today I have broken Ahimsa, and made a person suffer by destroying her illusion. I did this willingly as that illusion made that person hurt. Now she is even more hurt by loss of that illusion to what she became so attached. I have no feeling of quilt. I was not trying to play God. I accept the karma created by this. I had to do it, so she can be free.

My cruelty was revealing a unpleasant truth. I did it not for sake of Satya. I did it for sake of mercy.

I know, it would have been better just to witness. I question my motives. I cannot bear to see unjustice done to anyone, and pretend it is not happening.
I have doubts, and I am scared … maybe I did more wrong than I did right ?
But I had to act.

I feel no quilt, but I am not pretending to see the divine plan here. Maybe I have been fooled by the devil. Guess I’ll know it in due time.
I did it not from the impulse of emotion, nor by dry reason, but I might have done it from wrath. It was not anger, what appears as result of frustration. It was … the wrath of seeing the darkness in action, causing suffering.

May God have mercy on my soul.

#2

it can be a tough balance, what to say, what not to say. Maybe in the future she will thank you for what you have done, maybe not. Liberation does not always come from honey, sometimes salt is needed to clean the wound. accept what may come, but why not drop the worry. You lived, you learned, now apply to this moment.
just thoughts
seeker

#3

Dear Hubert,

I my illusionary world where I play my part on the stage of life there is no right or wrong, just appropriate. I think you have done the appropriate thing. Just because we perceive something as “bad” karma, it doesn’t mean that it is bad, it your perception that it might be bad or negative. I belief only in appropriate karma and that all deeds, no matter our perception of them, are designed to help you to evolve and to learn your lessons.

My advice: Give praise and thanks that a part of your karma has be completed and then Bless the girl and the situation and allow Divine Grace to work its magic. :wink:

#4

You would be right if what I said was true …

Shinto says see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
So when someone sees evil, that’s the sign of that particular evil is also in the viewer. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder … and so is evil.

I have been fighting with myself all along.
Why is that the better I want to be, I am ending up worse ?

I do not believe in social order.
I do not believe in marriage.
I do not believe in children being the meaning of life.
I do not believe in health.
I do not believe in wealth, either.
I do not believe in romantic love, and whoever said that the greatest thing you’ll ever learn, is to love and to be loved in return … well, he was direly mistaken, if that’s about two human beings.

I believe only in the Self, that it is atemporal, unchanging, free and blissful, and I like to call That God, as it makes me feel that it is higher than me, this limited ego. I do not experience That, I do not know that Self, but I will not stop until I do.
This is my vow I take now in front of you all.

#5

hubert, how often do you meditate and for how long?

#6

[QUOTE=Hubert;9639]

I have been fighting with myself all along.
Why is that the better I want to be, I am ending up worse ?

I do not believe in social order.
I do not believe in marriage.
I do not believe in children being the meaning of life.
I do not believe in health.
I do not believe in wealth, either.
I do not believe in romantic love, and whoever said that the greatest thing you’ll ever learn, is to love and to be loved in return … well, he was direly mistaken, if that’s about two human beings.

I believe only in the Self, that it is atemporal, unchanging, free and blissful, and I like to call That God, as it makes me feel that it is higher than me, this limited ego. I do not experience That, I do not know that Self, but I will not stop until I do.
This is my vow I take now in front of you all.[/QUOTE]
hubert, I like you very much and you have produced many words of wisdom. I type this response with two sides of myself, my ego to show how much I have learned and my heart because I have compassion for you and myself. These words I am going to type are words I will own since I have written them. By typing to you I will be putting my thoughts deeper inside myself so I say thank you for that.

Maybe you are the one with the illusion

You do not believe in sociol order? Good thing the eearth dont think that way cause one day it might stop rotating and then one side of the earth will freeze and kill all of us

you do not believe in marriage? Good thing the moon dont think that way cause if the moon left the earths side for good who knows what kind of global impact that would have

You do not believe in children being the meaning of life. Good for you and your children. This way they are not responsible for your enjoyment of life. This way they can relax and find their enjoyment for themselves rather then worry about pleasing you

Health? better hope the sun stays healthy otherwise we may slip into an ice age tomorrow

wealth? a place to sleep, enought food and water, the rest is window dressing

Love, Jesus siad you can do all the works in the world and have not love and it profits you nothing, something to that extent. To Love and be loved. This true self you are seeking supposedly is just that. The true self loves itself and therefore feels love from itself in return. Exactly what you are seeking is it not? Maybe right now you are mistaken. Once you find the love within everything will be romantic will it not?

Here is your illusion hubert, you believe in the concepts that you speak of but it is the way things are described that you do not believe in. You believe for some reason you have more value then the sun and the moon. They dance in harmony, why cant you dance in harmony with your wife? Is it now time to appologize to her?

I eat very well not because of a rule or law imposed by socioty, but because of an understanding I have for my well being. I work on meditating not because of sociol orders but because I like the peace I experience within. If you want to escape from the wordly things it will follow you wherever you go on this planet, ask pandara about how India is becoming. You fight things you think you are against, when in truth maybe you are for them much more then you realize.

Maybe I was off base, but I have a feeling/belief that I was not. If in any case I was I humble myself to you. You will not stop untill you find what you seek, well it is nice to know I have company on this journey. I believe I can find myself right where I sit. In the middle of a big city with a lot of sociol order, laws, etc… I have learned a lot from your words and I believe you may be closer then you think.
Remember to breathe my friend
with love
seeker

#7

Dear Hubert,
Don?t think of yourself too much,
Think of how you can help others
Do that which brings a smile to your colleges face
Do that which brings a smile to your wife?s face
Do that which brings a smile to your children?s face
Do that which lifts the community you live?
By that time there will be no more time left
And should you sneak in some time for self indulgence & self mortification
You will be unable to do so
The heart will be so wide open that you
Will only be able to smile at you?

Much Love to you,:smiley:
Fin

#8

I do not believe in social order.
I do not believe in marriage.
I do not believe in children being the meaning of life.
I do not believe in health.
I do not believe in wealth, either.
I do not believe in romantic love, and whoever said that the greatest thing you’ll ever learn, is to love and to be loved in return … well, he was direly mistaken, if that’s about two human beings.

Dear Hubert,

I belief in “as within so without”. As above so below etc. What you see outside is just a reflection of the inside and vice versa.:wink:

#9

Dear Neil, thank you for your effort.
It made me think, and I realized I am blessed by friends both off and online.
The devil is not as black as it seems. :slight_smile:

I just have to do more yoga. Not by the book, but by the heart.
I did a lot of svadhyaya (study), a lot of tapas (austerity), and far too little santosha (contentment), although I have so many things to be grateful.
I did study to find the answers, and I succeded. I do tapas, to apply what I have learnt, and check my vices. But I have not been content, and pleased by the results, because I did those for the wrong reason.

I do not meditate, I do not know how, but I am trying. Like a child learning to walk. She cannot walk, but still she tries. :slight_smile:

But the real reason for my better mood is that I have been forgiven. I am amazed by the capacity of people to forgive, and ashamed by my lack in love to do the same.

#10

The problem with love is that you can love things in a wrong way. And when you do that, you will end up losing your Self, unless you use discrimination and dispassion, so the Self comes first, and the “things” you love are second.
But because we do not know the Self, loving is always a risk, and you might be deceived greatly. The most important difference between love and attachment is our capacity to let the object of our love go. If you cannot let something go, that is attachment. If you can let it go, but you chose not to for the sake of that thing ot person, than it is love. Love is a deliberate act, and only well grounded in our higher Self we can be totally safe from attachment.

Because of this, everyone’s duty is to come as close to the higher Self and our best shape and form as flesh, vitality, soul and ego, as we can, because this way we do less damage both to us and other people. Serving someone, something because you are attached to that thing or person, is bondage, no matter what ideology or instinct is behind it.

I feel like two pitbulls just had a fight in my bowels. I really need some rest.

#11

meditation,
sit and when a thought comes up let is pass. That is all there is to meditation. gradually increase your time and have no expectations. If you are doing all you do without meditation hubert then you may be avoiding looking within, and that is where your answers may be. It seems, from what I have learned, the objective is to find the stillness within, meditation is my key and it may be your key. Meditation is explained in billions of words and millions of techniques, all it is, is letting thoughts pass. Meditation if absence of focus, abesence of expectations and when are free of expectations great things may come to mind. i My advice to you my friend, meditate
with love
seeker

#12

Meditation is silence… beyond duality:)

#13

[quote=Hubert;9639]You would be right if what I said was true …

experience That, I do not know that Self, but I will not stop until I do.
This is my vow I take now in front of you all.[/quote]

Namaste Hubert,
i was reading your thread about attachment, because of the posts from Jozen Bo. Made me think about ahimsa too
Then i saw your lovely vow
Thank you so much for doing so in front of us all

The Self
THAT is
what
you are
with love from Louise

#14

Is there a difference between q and g? It looks like there is. If you do not feel quilt, how do you feel warm without a quilt. Or do you mean guilt? Do you feel quilty? When you are perfect then you will not make mistakes. Maybe when you are in doubt then maybe it is better to mind your own business. Do you want us to judge you? Judge ye not unless ye be judged.