Can a Christian be a Yogi?

Yes of course we believe that. All Christians believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ, but not all Christians believe in the “Immaculate Conception,” and not all Christians believe in Mary’s Perpetual Virginity.

Pick and choose religion. Loving it :smiley:

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;41845]Pick and choose religion. Loving it :D[/QUOTE]

Huh? I thought that’s what Hinduism was. You said you could accept what you want to accept and reject what you want to reject.

Catholicism is most definately not “pick and choose,” though we accept as Christians those who accept the core beliefs of Christianity, while through no fault of their own, embrace a few errors or lack to fullness of the faith.

ALL Catholics are under the same doctrines and dogma, which includes the Virgin Birth and Immaculate Conception.

No, we can accept and reject particulars, but not generals. I can accept and reject scriptures, mythology, rituals and practices, gods and goddesses. These are all human constructs. I cannot accept and reject the doctrines of Self and Self realization, law of karma and reincarnation, law of dharma, cosmology of planes of reality and anatomy of the subtle body(prana, chakras, kundalini) and student-teacher relationship. I would not be Hindu otherwise.

Hindusim is a religion of generals not particulars.

Christianity is more of a make it up as you go religion. Nobody is even sure what the original Jesus - if there was one - actually taught. Hence why there is division aplenty in Christianity. And the one to decide what he taught did not even know Jesus. If you ask a different Christian from each denomination you get different answers.

The Catholic faith is one faith with no discrepancies and no “denominations.”

Unfortuantely, some groups split apart and have embraced some errors, but even those denominations all agree that Jesus is God in the flesh. They accept that Jesus was real, the the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, doctrines about Salvation, etc.

It’s not at all a “make it up as you go” religion, and once again, you are flying by the seat of your pants and making ignorant statements about a religion you understand at a very shallow level.

To keep things simple, I’m not going to include Protestants in my discussions about Christianity, and not going to go to the extra work to defend them. If there are Protestants here, they can do that if they like, though I think I’m the lone Christian and lone Catholic on this board, which says a lot about your theory that yoga is taking over Christianity.

WOW!!!

Speaking of Life-cycle of a thread this thing just keeps going on and on and on like the energizer bunny :smiley:

Wow, every forum I go to it seems surya and thomas are in some stupid argument over religion, grow up! Im a practicing hindu, if you have a question on hinduism you can ask me and I don’t know everything but can help with a lot because surya’s goal is to waste time arguing with people and creating his own form of Hinduism. As for can a Christian be a yogi? Yes, its just spiritual practice which can be performed by any individual but it involves being ascetic to become one. There is more too it and the worship of Hindu god’s are not apart of it, your bringing yourself to self-realization which is being one with the ultimate being. Surya, how can you say if there was a Jesus? are you stupid? He’s considered a saint and a prophet in our religion. What because there was no proof of him? Was there proof that Lord Krishna was a blue man who walked on earth; no; but we know its true right? Thomas, we accept all of our scriptures and others such as the 10 commandments, Thou shall not kill; to us this means do not kill not just humans but animals but people seem to think it just means humans and its telling Christians we believe, to become a vegetarian. As Lord Krishna said in our Bhagavad Gita, “Different forms of worship is like many branches of a tree but all is from the same root.” Anyways if you have any questions PM me Thomas, and stop talking to him. Surya, don’t reply trying to evaluate my message and trying to put me down politely… I won’t respond. And both of you stop your ignorance I can’t even read a forum without seeing you two idiots posting repeatedly and taking over the forum you make yourselves look like fools to all the other people on here who are here to enjoy and share their experiences email each other so we don’t waste our time seeing your crap.DONE.

And Thomas you won’t covert to hinduism by practicing yoga (I mean the mental yoga not the physical yoga). And if you do somehow just accept it, always keep an open mind our father is your father…there is no 2 fathers, just 1 remember that. But becoming a yogi you are aware of the self and who is God and so you don’t need any idol, not Jesus or Krishna idols because you come to the realization that God is within you and when you become a yogi God will always be on your mind so why need idols or belong to any religion? You will not have love for material wealth or items anymore and the only love you will have is for God, and since God within you, you should always have respect for yourself, and don’t get into mad arguments on forums lol. Remember the human ego is the real devil, you can never say “you” bought your house, or “you” created your child because that is a lie GOD has given you everything you have including the body your in. Becoming a yogi starts with the burning of the ego, thats why they wear orange robes, orange is the color which shows burning of the ego and if God permits them to be enlightened then they wear all white. There is a difference between knowing who is God and being enlightened I think but Im not a yogi so I wouldn’t really know.

Surya, how can you say if there was a Jesus? are you stupid? He’s considered a saint and a prophet in our religion

You lost all credibility there :wink: It is certainly news to me that Jesus is a prophet in Hinduism. Got to inform the Hindu experts on that,
shall I, or will you?

Thomas, we accept all of our scriptures and others such as the 10 commandments

10 commandments is not a scripture lol
And no, nowhere in the Hindu canon is the bible included ROFL

Was there proof that Lord Krishna was a blue man who walked on earth; no; but we know its true right?

Haha, of course we don’t know it is true. Do you really believe Krishna was a blue man? Jesus :smiley:

I am sure David will excuse me for responding in kind, as you have come barging in this topic calling
me and Thomas idiots and declaring yourself the only authority on Hinduism to listen to. You clearly
are a moron. I am not going to waste anytime discussing anything with you :smiley:

You lose all credibility from the time you open your mouth. Your obvious intent is to bash other religions when Hinduism is about tolerance.
In the Gita Lord Krishna says to accept other religions and treat them as your own but do not follow them for the soul has choosen hinduism for a reason.
If the 10 commandments is not a scripture then why do we abide by its teachings not as hindus but all humans lets just take 4 and see…
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Last time I checked these are all sins in Hinduism bhaiya…
And what color is Krishna? Brown? He has no color regardless, You said “of course we don’t know it is true” but then "Nobody is even sure what the original Jesus - if there was one - actually taught."
Ugh I didn’t want to respond but I came to help answer a question but had to see you making a mockery of Hinduism and not even knowing information on your Gita. I have never in my life seen any Hindu bash another religion until seeing things you have said, you said I am the only authority to listen to? Trust me if your all they have I will def. help anwser on our behalf, just go ahead and read the Gita and not the version by Prabhupada in the mean time. And don’t say that you have because the way you speak definitely does not show hinduism’s teachings, and as I said I don’t know everything but will help with what I can. Surya, in your case your God is man-made you need to realize the truth. And you know your god is man-made when he hates all the same things/people you do. lol. Surya Deva is the god of the sun, and represents truth and light, here you are disgracing our Lord’s name. I definitely won’t say anymore cause it would be a shame on us as 2 hindu’s to argue while we provide others with entertainment, so go ahead and get your last word bhaiya.

yogatatryit, you need to understand this not all Hindus are liberal univeralists, some of us are more conservative. The liberal Hindus accept other religions as equally valid paths, but not the conservative Hindus. You will find if you go to online forums on Hinduism, such as Hindudharma.com, that most Hindus there hold conservative views like mine and do not like Abrahamic religions.

In any case Jesus is not a prophet or saint of Hinduism and the bible is not a scripture of Hinduism, and even somebody with no religious knowledge at all will be able to tell you that. Also, there is no such thing as a prophet in Hinduism.
The concept of “prophet” is a special soul or messenger that is selected by god or the officials in heaven to convey a message of god. There is no such concept in Hinduism. In Hinduism we have risis, gurus, munis who are humans who have realised higher states of consciousness. We also have the concept of “Avatars” these are incarnations of Vishnu that appear at important periods of degeneration in human history, and they are numbered as 10(this does not include Jesus)

If the 10 commandments is not a scripture then why do we abide by its teachings not as hindus but all humans lets just take 4 and see…

To save you any further embarrasement in calling the 10 commandments scripture, I will set the record straight. The 10 commandments are not a scripture they are part of a scripture known as the bible, in the old testimant.

You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness

Are very general wrongs in all societies. It is common sense. You have missed out the most important of the 10 commandments:

You shall have no gods before me, for I am a jealous god
You shall not have any image or of god
You shall work for 6 days and not worth on the 7th day

Hindus are definitely not abiding by these. Hindus are in direct violation by having several gods and several images of god and worshipping idols. The OT prescribes death to anybody who breaks the commandments, and therefore according to the OT all Hindus should be killed.

Why on earth would we abide by something that wants us all killed and our temples destroyed?

Anybody who violates these commandments is sinning. They will not only be punished on Earth by the clergy, but punished in the after life with eternal damnation.

What Hinduism has is yamas and niyamas. These are not “do’s and don’ts” these are general guidelines on how to live with well being. If you violate the yamas and niyamas you do not incur “sin” you simply suffer the consequences of your action as per the law of karma. So for example if you do not keep yourself healthy and clean, you suffer disease. There is no clergy to punish you for these violations and nor is there a judgement in the afterlife where you will be condemned for it.

The yamas and niyamas are basically ideal behaviours that we must gradually train ourselves to do. It is not expected that we can do them right away, but gradually through practice we rectify our negative behaviours.

And what color is Krishna? Brown? He has no color regardless, You said “of course we don’t know it is true” but then “Nobody is even sure what the original Jesus - if there was one - actually taught.”

Krishna was dark-skinned. The word Krishna itself means “black” He is depicted as a blue because Vishnu is described as blue, representing the colour of the universe. Shiva is also depicted as blue. The historical person Krishna however was definitely not blue.

You say I am making a mockery of Hinduism, but actually it is you who are giving misleading information to people. First you say Jesus is considered a prophet in Hinduism, then you said Hindus abide by the ten commandments, and then tell everybody categorically Krishna was a blue man. Anybody who is not an idiot clearly can see you’re speaking nonsense.

Of all the rhetoric I’ve encountered, the best meaning for the name yoga is the contemplation that enables us to discriminate between the two separate realities - nature and consiousness. To be a true yogi, you’ve got to be good at that. I see nothing that would prevent a devout priest of any religion from getting there. In fact, there are many I’m sure who already are.

There is no clergy to punish you for these violations and nor is there a judgement in the afterlife where you will be condemned for it.

The clergy doesn’t punish. I could do the most horrible sins publicly, and there is nothing the clergy can do to me to “punish” me.

And note that it is not the will of God (or the clergy) that anyone would be damned, and there is always the opportunity to repent.

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Krishna was dark-skinned. The word Krishna itself means “black” He is depicted as a blue because Vishnu is described as blue, representing the colour of the universe. Shiva is also depicted as blue. The historical person Krishna however was definitely not blue.

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Again with the definite language. Why couldn’t he be blue? There are many tangible reasons beyond the fantastical. And who am I to rule out the fantastical?
Please consider that pigments and dyes have been used throughout history.
Julius Caesar brings evidence:" All the Brittani, indeed, dye themselves with woad, which produces a dark blue coloring."
The Ice Man (3,300BCE) of the Similaun glacier in the alps had a cross (GASP!) and a tribal bodyart.
Dramatic blue skin colour has been witnessed in individuals afflicted with Menengitis and Argyria a condition caused by exposure to elemental silver may cause dramatic blue skin. Another condition Chrysiasis from elemental gold exposure also may lead to the symptom of blue skin.
Human skin color is primarily due to melanin; it ranges from skin almost black in appearance to white with a pinkish tinge due to blood vessels underneath. What range has Krishna?
Blue skin can happen.
Blue skin happens.

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;40891]Well, can he/she?[/QUOTE]Water of LIFE is Kundalini.

John 7:38 [B]Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.?[/B]

[QUOTE=Yogamark;43950]Again with the definite language. Why couldn’t he be blue? There are many tangible reasons beyond the fantastical. And who am I to rule out the fantastical?
Please consider that pigments and dyes have been used throughout history.
Julius Caesar brings evidence:" All the Brittani, indeed, dye themselves with woad, which produces a dark blue coloring."
The Ice Man (3,300BCE) of the Similaun glacier in the alps had a cross (GASP!) and a tribal bodyart.
Dramatic blue skin colour has been witnessed in individuals afflicted with Menengitis and Argyria a condition caused by exposure to elemental silver may cause dramatic blue skin. Another condition Chrysiasis from elemental gold exposure also may lead to the symptom of blue skin.
Human skin color is primarily due to melanin; it ranges from skin almost black in appearance to white with a pinkish tinge due to blood vessels underneath. What range has Krishna?
Blue skin can happen.
Blue skin happens.[/QUOTE]

It is certainly possible that there can be people who have blue skin, but in this particular case the blue skin of Krishna is only a symbolic representation. In Hindu art blue skin is used for many deities such as Krishna, Rama, Shiva, Kali, and it represents the colour of the akasha/cosmos.

If God does not have a religion, how can a process of union with Him subscribe to one?

A Christian is also a part of this cosmos… breathing the same universal air…

I practice yoga for my health benefit though! the flexibility and strength that I get from yoga is awesome. But i dont touch the spiritual part of Yoga. even some christian practitioner said we can meditate and connect to God by yoga meditating :slight_smile: Although I know by practicing meditation can bring you to self control, mind-relaxing and calmness, but I prefer practice the poses since I almost (nearly) fall asleep everytime I do meditation. hehehe

I almost (nearly) fall asleep everytime I do meditation. hehehe

This is something you will need to fight or you will never be able to meditate. It is one of the obstacles on the path of Yoga drowsiness and laziness, you need to fight them by fighting to keep yourself awake. Everything you see yourself nodding off, become aware of it and quickly bring your head upright. If it continues, get up from meditation go for a 5 min walk or jog on the spot, wash your face with cold water, and resume. Eventually you will overcome these obstacles and be able to meditate.