Controlling my mind

Spirituality
#1

Hi.
i am looking for a type of yoga that can help me to control my wandering mind and realize my inner potential.
I know that i have loads of hidden potential and i want to realize it.
Mostly i want to know myself better by concentrating "inwards"
I know some asanas…but i haven’t been into yoga.
I know pranayam…but i dont know it will be effective.
I have read about Kundlani and chakras.
It clearly specifies that u need a guru and 12 years in ashram to realize it.
So, i need to know for any types of yoga that will help me to meet my inner god, remove my inner truculence and help me to concentrate better and work better.

Thankx

#2

Hello theunchosenone,

A very natural and healthy way to go about unveiling your true potential is by simply recognizing yout true self again and again, throughout all kinds of situations. This way your mind will naturally become gradually more and more at peace and stable. From this stable presence of awareness you will discover your potential.

Just recognize and acknowledge again and again, that you are aware of the fact that you exist right now… Try it. You know you exist right? So something in you knows this. No matter whether your mind wavers or is stable and focused, this awareness knows you exist and it knows both the stable and the wavering mind as they appear/exist.

So true stability is not the same as having a focused mind. True stability is to be able to recognize the awareness which is always present equally in all circumstance. From identifying with this ground of awareness, or this space of knowing, instead of identifying with all forms and appearances that come and go, comes a deep peace and a discovery unlike any other. And you don’t necessarily need an external guru nor do you need 12 years in an ashram.

Where exactly, if at all, this instruction fits in the yoga spectrum, I am not sure. There is always a yoga for something so it seems, almost each achievement has its own yoga so there probably is something similar. But this is the quickest and most natural way to discover what you are looking for, in my experience. If you don’t feel any affection with what I have just suggested, you can look up Ashtanga yoga.

Love & Awareness,
Bentinho.

#3

ohh thankss for this…

#4

[QUOTE=Bentinho Massaro;23808]And you don’t necessarily need an external guru nor do you need 12 years in an ashram[/QUOTE]

This is really good to hear. I guess it also depends on the person as well, and where they are in their awareness.

#5

Hello Yuj,

In my experience, rather than it depending on ‘where the person is in his awareness’ it depends on ‘where the person beliefs he is in his awareness.’

For in reality there is only one awareness and we are all equally and perfectly It. There is no more or less, further or behind. We are all That open nature in which all form arises and dissolves. We can not add to or subtract from that, no matter what we do, think, believe or experience. We are all already That.

To recognize this stable openess throughout all passing experience, is to know oneself directly as that ever-present aware-space which we all have always already been equally.

It is only our personal beliefs/thoughts about progression, individuality and ‘where we are at’ that seem to indicate ‘where we are in the process,’ and it is only these thoughts and beliefs that are limiting our sense of being free and aware. In reality there is no difference between you and me, for there is not even separation. Know that you are free to open up your beliefs about yourself and stop believing in any thought about yourself that appears, for all thoughts about yourself are just that: thoughts. And what do they know? How real or truthful are they really?

Good to hear you find it good to hear that you don’t need an exclusive life for decades or a guru at your side. Sometimes a guide can help you, that’s for sure, and it comes in many ways too. Every form is a direct reflexion as it confirms you as the knower of that form right there and then. But every belief about you having to subject yourself to some ‘higher, more developed being’ because you feel that is a necessity, is purely what the mind tells itself to postpone liberation.

With Love,
Bentinho.

#6

Hello unch,

Mostly i want to know myself better by concentrating “inwards”

I think what you are looking for is Asta Anga (8 limb) yoga as taught by Patanjali. If you become familiar with the eight limbs, you will see that they take you progressively further and further inward. I prefer the term “focusing” as opposed to controlling the mind. Asana and pranayama work by giving the mind an object to focus on. The next limb, pratyahara, involves turning the attention inward and away from the senses, then you get into different levels of mental concentration.

Now I anticipate that Bentinho Massaro will come along and say that it’s not necessary to go through the stages. That’s his thing that he’s put together and is trying to sell. It’s not yoga. Also, Kundalini and chakras are somewhat advanced spiritual practices that need not concern you. Many people practice Patanjali’s yoga and never set foot inside an ashram. You should begin to notice the benefits of yoga right away, and who knows where you will be in twelve years, or a lifetime, or multiple lifetimes.

#7

Unchosen one … would it bother you if you were chosen ?

#8

You should begin to notice the benefits of yoga right away, and who knows where you will be in twelve years, or a lifetime, or multiple lifetimes.

Still right here right now :). All movement, direction and progression, happens within the motionless stillness of your presence. When we start to use our attention to notice this every-presence presence of us being right here as the knower of all perceptions, instead of scattering our attention in concentration, exclusiveness and multiplicity, then we will find true stability. Not even yoga or meditation can persuade us to believe we are a subject to an external world of striving and effort.

Now I anticipate that Bentinho Massaro will come along and say that it’s not necessary to go through the stages.

I will not disappoint you.
One can go through the stages that’s perfect, but they will just appear and disappear within your presence. So you are not them. It’s just better to recognize that. They define nothing about who you are nor do they truly increase your control. True control of the mind, in my experience, comes forth through resting as this perceiver of even stages of concentration. For they too simply arise within your perception. Then true mastery is realized, more and more, starting right now and completing itself right now :). Why would you send this boy on lifetimes of struggle because you believe that’s the only way to go?

That’s his thing that he’s put together and is trying to sell. It’s not yoga.

Yes I am selling true happiness and understanding for free, beware! And actually, I just found out, it’s Ati Yoga! :wink:

Love,
B.

#9

The present moment is all you have. Looking for something assumes that you don’t have it already. Everything that will exist already exists. You have to vibrate at a frequency that allows you to experience it.

So, for the every day answer, If you are looking for external tools, Pranayama is an amazing practice for being in the present moment and building concentration as is any other type of yoga. What you want may happen over night or it may take your whole lifetime. You have to always be okay with where you are and just do the work aka karma aka action that creates that which you want.

#10

It’s painful watching one of dogs slowly wasting away. She has not eaten for a wek. Needs help to get to the water bowl and papers to do her business. She barks when she wants to do any of these. Will not put her to sleep as she does not seem to be in pain. Just feel so helpless waiting for the inevitable to happen. This is not my first dog (to die) but each experience is just as gut wrenching.

Just wondering are there any sutras that broach on death besides being present and accept the circumstances?

#11

[QUOTE=tessiesasha;24294]It’s painful watching one of dogs slowly wasting away. She has not eaten for a wek. Needs help to get to the water bowl and papers to do her business. She barks when she wants to do any of these. Will not put her to sleep as she does not seem to be in pain. Just feel so helpless waiting for the inevitable to happen. This is not my first dog (to die) but each experience is just as gut wrenching.

Just wondering are there any sutras that broach on death besides being present and accept the circumstances?[/QUOTE]

No other moment exists except the present moment. Even when you think about the past and the future, you do it in the present moment. Just enjoy your pet while they are here. Play with them, rub their tummy, give them treats, and make them feel good. Don’t worry about the future. Just do those things now.

#12

[quote=tessiesasha;24294]It’s painful watching one of dogs slowly wasting away. She has not eaten for a wek. Needs help to get to the water bowl and papers to do her business. She barks when she wants to do any of these. Will not put her to sleep as she does not seem to be in pain. Just feel so helpless waiting for the inevitable to happen. This is not my first dog (to die) but each experience is just as gut wrenching.

Just wondering are there any sutras that broach on death besides being present and accept the circumstances?[/quote]

I feel you Tessie,

Just know that there is nothing you or any sutra can do to change the situation if it may happen. So I will not say don’t feel bad, because what’s so wrong about feeling bad? Instead just know that all of your worries right now, all your thoughts and desperation is appearing in something bigger and more open than itself.

See that all your worries arise in this space of seeing, this presence of your awareness. This won’t make the feelings go away but it will introduce you to a peace and comfort that’s beyond all emotions and worries. So even while you are worrying, recognize the spaciousness in which these negative feelings persist. Then as you pay a little more attention to this presence in which all appears, a sense of the Peace that knows no opposite will gradually dawn on you as being very fundamental to everything that we call life.

I wish to all the best,
Bentinho.

#13

Yoga Sutras 1.33: Consciousness is pacified by cultivating friendliness toward the joyful, compassion toward the suffering, gladness toward the good, and indifference toward the wicked.

Your dog is suffering. You will find peace through compassion.

#14

[QUOTE=theunchosenone;23782]i am looking for a type of yoga that can help me to control my wandering mind and realize my inner potential.[/QUOTE]

Instead of trying to control the wandering try to observe it instead. Control is extremely ambitious and maybe impossible.

[QUOTE=theunchosenone;23782]
I know that i have loads of hidden potential and i want to realize it.
[/QUOTE]
Nothing is truly hidden. Potential is always completely present. Staying open to it will provide the best opportunity for it to flourish.

#15

You are looking and questioning. This is a good thing. From the point of view of “god”, you are already perfect and you do not need to do or change anything. From the wordly point of view, there are many paths. Truth is one, paths are many. Why not start with some asanas or pranayama or some meditation and see where it leads you? The spiritual path is 99% practice. You can accelerate your practice by finding a teacher, fellow travelers, or books. The choice is yours. Some of your questions will be answered in due course and other questons will arise. Be curious, breathe and flow with what is, and listen to the stillness behind all movement.

#16

Take an exploratory and playful apporach. Don’t take it too seriously. And in my opinion you need a guru.You can’t learn 2000 years or more of yoga tradition even with the best of awareness’.

Be a curioous explorer, an interior researcher… And If you want to realise God, there are are no half-measures.That means every limb in ashtanga yoga and every angle you can find.But ‘12 years in an ashram’- to me sounds is like saying it takes 2 1/2 hrs to make cake. Well for some people. For other longer, for others shorter.Take whatever you find and use it to your best ability.Discern what works for you, serves you best. The gurus only point inwards to your real self.It is up to you to do the rest.

The seeker finds …himself/herself.

Pranayama is effective btw- but it helps if you do apporpriate pranayama depnding on the state of your nervous sytem, it’s condition and alittle bit each day can make the difference- steady practice long-term. For that you need a teacher or guru, although they don’t have to be in the flesh> You need to pick up on what benfits you might be getting out of it otherwise you can easily become disaffected, bored, disheartened or thoroughly lost or distracted.

The main thing is you go at your own pace. And only you can determine what that is.

#17

i will correct what i said and say- most folk need gurus. (very few don’t. as in there might be a few exceptions) But bear in mind gurus are just guides. And your guide could be a humble bumble-bee or some ancient scriptures. Also there are self-appointed ’ gurus’ , and some guide you better than others. some may even be kinda false and misguided themselves. real gurus merely point YOU inwards, show you that is where the real guru is.

#18

Dear Friend
First you forget about Kundali and chakras this not possible now a days because only theory is their no practical Guru exist . So many books in the market those only for information If you want to know your inner world just helps people who really need it whome ever you worship give concentration to your own God & fellow his path do concentration in your in miidle of 4head its get the information by own .Yoga doesn’t mean that its related with hindu due you know christ also a great Yogi its a universal term accepted by all the relogious . If you want to know about Kundali now in this word no one is their who knows about this yes till now real yogi is their in himalayas but they don’t want to advertize themself you also see so many people & sadhus says that he is Yogi a real Yogi don’t want any money , name etc he always fellow their own way & helps all creatures

#19

[QUOTE=samarjit;26692]Dear Friend
First you forget about Kundali and chakras this not possible now a days because only theory is their no practical Guru exist . So many books in the market those only for information If you want to know your inner world just helps people who really need it whome ever you worship give concentration to your own God & fellow his path do concentration in your in miidle of 4head its get the information by own .Yoga doesn’t mean that its related with hindu due you know christ also a great Yogi its a universal term accepted by all the relogious . If you want to know about Kundali now in this word no one is their who knows about this yes till now real yogi is their in himalayas but they don’t want to advertize themself you also see so many people & sadhus says that he is Yogi a real Yogi don’t want any money , name etc he always fellow their own way & helps all creatures[/QUOTE]

Chakras can be learned about from ones own clairvoyant and intuitive capabilities into seeing the subtle/astral bodies, a guru is not needed whatsoever to experience the various levels of macrocosmic existence that are mapped within the microcosm.

Kundalini is the process which is the pure essence of spiritual progression. Yoga is not needed, Qi Gong, Qabbalah, etc any spiritual system is capable of releasing this evolutionary force within us.

Agreed about most books, although some can indeed point in the right direction when it comes to practical exercises.

I recommend Franz Bardon’s “Initiation into Hermetics” it is basically derived from yoga, and the first few steps are about passive watching of ones mind and mental thought trains, which turns into focusing on a singular thought train, which turns into becoming void of thought. It also covers transmutation of the negative traits of ones own being, ie slothfulness, apathy, destructive tendencies, etc within the first 2 steps out of 10, the rest delve into elemental manipulation exercises as well as a bunch of other things, and the like stressing that ones mind, body, and spirit must be trained simultaneously. Free pdf documents of this guidebook are all over the internet, google it.

#20

[QUOTE=Neros;26737]Chakras can be learned about from ones own clairvoyant and intuitive capabilities into seeing the subtle/astral bodies, a guru is not needed whatsoever to experience the various levels of macrocosmic existence that are mapped within the microcosm.

Kundalini is the process which is the pure essence of spiritual progression. Yoga is not needed, Qi Gong, Qabbalah, etc any spiritual system is capable of releasing this evolutionary force within us.

Agreed about most books, although some can indeed point in the right direction when it comes to practical exercises.

I recommend Franz Bardon’s “Initiation into Hermetics” it is basically derived from yoga, and the first few steps are about passive watching of ones mind and mental thought trains, which turns into focusing on a singular thought train, which turns into becoming void of thought. It also covers transmutation of the negative traits of ones own being, ie slothfulness, apathy, destructive tendencies, etc within the first 2 steps out of 10, the rest delve into elemental manipulation exercises as well as a bunch of other things, and the like stressing that ones mind, body, and spirit must be trained simultaneously. Free pdf documents of this guidebook are all over the internet, google it.[/QUOTE]

Dear Neros

I know that your knowledge of Yoga is good but I already told you regarding Kundali & chakras first I want to know that who wrote all these book those are not Yogi due u know If u wakeup this Kundali you become powerful as God because at that times Yogi directly connected with God .Today not a single human in this world exist who has this Kundali power my Guru is Mahaavatar Babaji . If u want to know further about this pls. mail and without Guru any siddhi is not possible books gives you all the information but it not make any one Yogi now every where people use this word for Business Yoga now become Good Business for making money but a real yogi doesn’t want any thing else no money, Power nothing only God