I think this topic cannot be resolved on the basis of science…it is a matter of faith…that’s what I had stated earlier! It is spiritual…
shahvir,
It is not a matter of faith or beleif either. One either knows or does not know, there can be no room for belief.
“think this topic cannot be resolved on the basis of science”
If one raises science high on a pedestal as though it is the ultimate phenomenon, then perhaps if things cannot be resolved according to modern science, then there is no other way except to believe. Otherwise, the matter can be resolved out of direct experience. And because even experience can be deceiving, it may be far more clear to say that the matter can be resolved only out of the direct experience of one who has already awakened a certain wisdom. This applies to any technique or method, not just amaroli. Yoga itself is a scientific process, and one will have to, through trial and error, come to discover what works and does not work.
[QUOTE=b.shahvir;52769]I think this topic cannot be resolved on the basis of science…it is a matter of faith…that’s what I had stated earlier! It is spiritual…[/QUOTE]
what about personal experience?
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;52753]YogiAdam,
"I think the fact that your body ELIMINATES urine, should be a big enough clue that it doesn’t want it… "
The fact that your body has been born naked should be enough of an indication that it doesn’t want clothes. And the fact that nature has not created the Earth with any science and technology should also be indication enough that the Earth does not want it. And with this fanaticism, one can continue seeing a million and one things which are so called “unnatural”. Yes, there is a kind of behavior which may be not so much conducive to nature’s processes, but where do you draw the line between what is natural, and man’s own creativity ? And if nature has created man to be creative, then his creativity is just as much a part of nature as anything else. Otherwise, all of the spiritual sciences simply become unnatural - as do all of the processes of yoga.
There is a very simple way to see whether something is in tune with nature’s way or not. When one is walking too much against the current, various problems arise - psychological sickness, physical sickness, and so on. With drinking urine there has not even been a single incident of it being disasterous for one’s health in any way.
From the first single celled organism till man, the whole evolution of consciousness has always happened on an unconscious level. With man, now the possibility of a conscious evolution begins. Nature has already provided him with all of the basic necessities to take his own evolution into his own hands, but it is now one’s own responsibility to take the expansion of his own being as a conscious process.[/QUOTE]
In this case, I’m just going to echo what Scales said … If you want to down a warm, frothing glass of urine, be my guest. Don’t let me talk you out of it. Although, if you plan on kissing anyone, you might want to make sure you clean your teeth first 
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;52911]In this case, I’m just going to echo what Scales said … If you want to down a warm, frothing glass of urine, be my guest. Don’t let me talk you out of it. Although, if you plan on kissing anyone, you might want to make sure you clean your teeth first :)[/QUOTE]
I’ll be downing a cool, frothing glass of Guiness and keeping an eye out to make sure you get every drop. In fact, after a couple of those I may contribute to your quencher.
[QUOTE=Raje;51802]Hi All,
Namaste… My mother is nearing 70 and she has arthrits since last 3-4 years. Since then she used to get knee joint pain whenever she walks more but would recover after couple of days rest.
But it has been two months, she got knee joint pain but not feeling better at all. This time, she got swelling near knee which was not case earlier. So we allopathic and aurvedic (from Patanjali run by Baba Ramdev) simultaneously. But she is not feeling better. Allopathic doctor prescribed pain medication, which works for 3-4 days only. We do not want to continue taking it for longer period of time as that could cause undesired side effects.
Meantime, I came across cowurine . com from Virender Jain. You can watch him on youtube as well. I was wondering has anybody tried his medicine for arthitis and worked for him or her?
Please let me know…
Thanks,
Raje[/QUOTE]
Raje, If you want to try it start with urine compress to the affected joint. When I was a child I had an arthritis. I remember other kids playing and running and I could not stand up on my legs at all. Medications failed or was not available , I do not remember, but My mom used to apply the urine compress over night few times a week. It worked very well for me. It does not mean that it will work for everyone, but it is never hurt to try it.
Namaste,
CM
[QUOTE=CityMonk;52812]what about personal experience?[/QUOTE]
well i do consume Ayurvedic tablets regularly, a major ingredient of which is cow’s urine. It helps fight obesity and keeps diseases at bay. I also feel my immune system has strengthened over time. the urine content is not crude but undergoes several refining processes before it is made fit for consumption.
Faith is important as it helps in increasing the effectiveness of the medication. When i say this, I do not mean it has placebo effect… but it helps!
No one should be drinking any sort of urine.
It is leaving your body for a reason.
I looked this up. What they call “Urine Therapy” and there is no scientific evidence behind it, it’s all spiritual based.
There is no scientific evidence because they (pharmafia) fear them.
Amaroli relieves and finally cures many ailments. It’s free and self produced.
Amaroli cured my allergy to cats and mites, that manifested as asthma, phlegm and vasomotor rhinitis, after desperately trying many alternative treatments.
Amaroli doesn’t have a scientific background, but it does have an empirical one. It’s been practiced since ancient times.
Speaking and making judgments about things we don’t know or we haven’t experienced is a foolish and non-scientific activity.
I admire your patience and good manners.
Personally I prefer to use my ignore list.
8)
I've started my own company!
Now in Amber Bottle to Preserve Majickal Freshness!
Bottoms up people! Enjoy it european stlye! (warm)
or
"all american" (chilled)
Its the real thing!
And remember to take your majick pills. But you must have the faith for them to work their majick.
No faith? No work.
[QUOTE=b.shahvir;52971]Faith is important as it helps in increasing the effectiveness of the medication. When i say this, I do not mean it has placebo effect… but it helps![/QUOTE]
This sums it up for me! This is the reason so many people use quacky, unscientific medication. Whenever ‘faith’ is involved, you know your on the wrong track. Try telling a cancer patient that we have a medicine available, but it requires faith to work effectively lol
When I say faith, I mean to say I have belief in the ancient practices followed in Eastern philolsophies such as Hinduism. Modern science was born when scientists looked in the external physical world for answers. Eastern religion such as Hinduism comprises yogic science and Ayurveda when sages focused inwards. The answers came from within, the true self.
In Eastern philosophy, every practice has a purpose. Nothing is left for nonsense. In this sense, I continue with the arguments as I have great respect for Eastern philosophy…especially Hinduism.
But let me state that Scales is correct in his place. He might not have been influenced by Eastern philosophies in it’s entireity.
Finally, to each his own!
?There’s a complete distaste in the Western mind for even seeing that chicken foot.?
It’s gotta be…Grace Jones 
Flex,
“I’ll be downing a cool, frothing glass of Guiness and keeping an eye out to make sure you get every drop. In fact, after a couple of those I may contribute to your quencher.”
Seeing that your urine is probably dirty, it belongs in the toilet. And if even your urine cannot be put to use, then it is perhaps far better to drink, get drunk, and pretend to be merry.
b.shahvir,
“In Eastern philosophy, every practice has a purpose.”
It is not a matter of philosophy. The yogic sciences are precisely that, a science for the expansion of consciousness. It does not require any philosophy at all, whether Samkhya, Advaita, or any other tradition - in fact an attachment to any philosophy or belief system is certain function like a veil over one’s eyes which prevents you from awakening a clarity which is capable of seeing tihngs as they are. If you enter into the search for Truth with any belief or philosophy, then the mind is such that it will see whatever it wants to see. And with or without one’s awareness, one is just looking for a way to re-affirm one’s own conclusions. In the search for Truth - one enters consciously into the unknown, without assuming anything at all - just an empty slate of inquiry without raising a finger for or against. Like any scientific approach, it requires a scientific attitude. But it was inevitable to turn certain discoveries into “philosophy” - because the whole problem is that the moment you try to express what cannot be expressed, you have to force it into the boundaries of your language. And the result tends to be philosophy - which is a severe distortion of the Truth. What people like Gautama Buddha, Patanjali, Mahavira, Lao Tzu, Bodhidharma, Ramakrishna, had seen was a direct encounter with one’s own true nature, but once one comes out of that experience, now the problem surfaces as to how to make it accessible to others. Something must be said about it, but the moment you start mistaking the words for the spirit behind the words, then you immediately become entangled in delusion. And as long as one continues clinging to philosophy, the delusion continues.
[QUOTE=b.shahvir;53040]In Eastern philosophy, every practice has a purpose. Nothing is left for nonsense.
Finally, to each his own![/QUOTE]
I couldn’t disagree more. I think many things in yoga are practiced due to traditions. I imagine that 60% of what I do in yoga class is outdated, and unscientific mumbo jumbo, and is based on primitive beliefs. However, the other 40%, that actually benefits me is worth sitting though the rubbish. I imagine you could find many, many things in eastern philosophy that could be considered useless if you were to closely re-evaluate it. I’m not a fan of that close minded thinking. It’s too easy, and convenient to make assumptions that a philosophy has all the answers and solutions. I really don’t think that the universe is as black and white as that.
However, each to his own… absolutely. What good is any philosophy if we can’t all accept each others different views. At the end of the day, we are all mistaken.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;53058]b.shahvir,
“In Eastern philosophy, every practice has a purpose.”
It is not a matter of philosophy. The yogic sciences are precisely that, a science for the expansion of consciousness. It does not require any philosophy at all, whether Samkhya, Advaita, or any other tradition - in fact an attachment to any philosophy or belief system is certain function like a veil over one’s eyes which prevents you from awakening a clarity which is capable of seeing tihngs as they are. If you enter into the search for Truth with any belief or philosophy, then the mind is such that it will see whatever it wants to see. And with or without one’s awareness, one is just looking for a way to re-affirm one’s own conclusions. In the search for Truth - one enters consciously into the unknown, without assuming anything at all - just an empty slate of inquiry without raising a finger for or against. Like any scientific approach, it requires a scientific attitude. But it was inevitable to turn certain discoveries into “philosophy” - because the whole problem is that the moment you try to express what cannot be expressed, you have to force it into the boundaries of your language. And the result tends to be philosophy - which is a severe distortion of the Truth. What people like Gautama Buddha, Patanjali, Mahavira, Lao Tzu, Bodhidharma, Ramakrishna, had seen was a direct encounter with one’s own true nature, but once one comes out of that experience, now the problem surfaces as to how to make it accessible to others. Something must be said about it, but the moment you start mistaking the words for the spirit behind the words, then you immediately become entangled in delusion. And as long as one continues clinging to philosophy, the delusion continues.[/QUOTE]
Dear Amir,
It is fruitless trying to convince people who do not want to be convinced. I think one must let go, as topics like these are experienced rather than debated upon. The Western civilization have done excellent progress, but at a cost… and the cost is whatever cannot be felt by the five senses is false. One can only imagine where this kind of belief system would take them.
Everyone has a right to his view point and it has to be respected, even though it might not be palatable. This is one of the positive influences of Eastern culture.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;53057]Flex,
“I’ll be downing a cool, frothing glass of Guiness and keeping an eye out to make sure you get every drop. In fact, after a couple of those I may contribute to your quencher.”
Seeing that your urine is probably dirty, it belongs in the toilet. And if even your urine cannot be put to use, then it is perhaps far better to drink, get drunk, and pretend to be merry.[/QUOTE]
I’ll have you know my urine is perfectly clean, thank you very much. In fact, according to ancient Irish spiritual traditions, a pint of guiness is essential for purified urine. There may very well be a burgeoning local economy that can meet ever growing demand for purified urine. I would check it out if I were you.
Food for thought!?
Interesting thread.
Lots of my yogi friends drink their urine every day. At their insistence, similar to that of AmirMourad, I did some research. (My results are posted in the articles section of my website which I am not allowed to link here.)
End result? I still don’t drink my own urine.
Topical urine, on the other hand, [I]may[/I] possibly be useful. Auto-urine therapy is preferable to cow’s urine, but I know a few people who attended a urine therapy hospital in India who swear by the latter [I](tons of [B]anecdotes[/B] out there)[/I]. Topical auto-urine therapy is worth a try - inexpensive, readily available, and no serious side effects. The high solute content of urine (primarily from urea) in a compress can help to pull excess fluid from swollen tissues. It works better for soft tissue problems like boils (urine is sterile) than intra-articular joint problems. An MD Yoga friend of mine uses this therapy all the time.
Kathleen