Cults In Yoga - Siddha / Brahma Kumaris / Sahaja Yoga, etc (often non physical Yoga)

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#49

“Casting of demons because somebody has an illness is not a part of the Vedic treadition.”

It is not really the case. In Hindu and Vedic mythology, there is a whole hierarchy of spirits of various different natures - Asuras, Yakshas, Vetalas, Rakshasas, Devas, and so on. That man interacts with these beings, or these beings can interact with man, is not something which is unusual in the Hindu mythology. There are even various methods as to how to use such beings to fulfill ones own desires, which is in fact the reason why all these rituals are there in Vedas. So it was not an unusual thing, that one who would be trying to control such entities, a Brahmin priest or a yogi, would be "possessed " by a certain spirit once in a while, and would have to go through a certain ceremony to expel the demon.And just as there is a heaven and a hell in Christianity and Judaism, the same is the case in Hinduism. If you have been living an impure life, then the soul would be sent by Yama, the Lord of Justice, to a Naraka , a kind of hell where the soul receives purification for its sins before it can continue in its evolution.

That the Vedic and Hindu tradition is free from these kinds of superstitions is not really the case, it is filled with all kinds of fictions. There are some rare traditions who have simply seen these various “deities” as different aspects of ones own consciousness as well as being symbolic of certain forces of nature both within and without oneself, but they have always been very rare. It is possible to become “possessed”, in the sense that a certain psychological force or an idea starts overflooding the conscious mind which may create severe imbalances in the personality, but it has nothing to do with any of these mythologies which are simply man manufactured.

#50

What is your current sadhana? I want to hear all about it. In detail.

And maybe you could give us a little background on you too?

Height, Weight and Birthday. In regards to the Birthday - only give the day and the month, do not give the year, in english please.

I'll be gone for the next couple of days so I really do look forward to reading your reply when I get back on here.

#51

There were even some Germans who had considered Adolf Hitler enlightened.

Wow, sucks, eh :wink: Even Adolf hilter was considered enlightened, but nobody considers you enlightened :wink:

You try too hard I am afraid. If you try less, you might even be able fool a few people you are enlightened and develop a small cult :wink:

#52

“Everybody who has heard of Ayurveda know you are speaking complete and utter garbage right now. Nope, in Vedic culture if you get an illness, they take you took to an Ayurvedic practitioner. He would examine your entire body, analyse your pulse and tongue, take a very extensive questionaire of your lifestyle, symptoms.”

Yes, those things would happen. And the activity of demons is not something which is separate from the Ayurvedic tradition, it is one of the possible causes of disease.

#53

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56340]If the SY vibration checking method works. All diagnosis should be identical and the ailment should be detected.[/QUOTE]If people practicing SY are well established in Nirvicalpa Samadhi they will feel the same problems. If not they will confuse their own problems with exterior problems.

#54

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56344]Wow, sucks, eh :wink: Even Adolf hilter was considered enlightened, but nobody considers you enlightened :wink:

You try too hard I am afraid. [B]If you try less, you might even be able fool a few people you are enlightened and develop a small cult[/B] ;)[/QUOTE]

I think he’s already gathering chelas to his ministry.

How Holy!

#55

[QUOTE=The Scales;56343]What is your current sadhana? I want to hear all about it. In detail. [/QUOTE]Through Nirvichar to establish Nirvikalpa. You will not be able to establish Nirvichar without awakening of Kundalini, because Laya needs to take place.

#56

[QUOTE=Seeker33;56348]Through Nirvichar to establish Nirvikalpa. You will not be able to establish Nirvichar without awakening of Kundalini, because Laya needs to take place.[/QUOTE]

Thats not detail.

I want the methods and concepts

I want the process from start to finish…

what you do

how do you do it

and

why.

#57

It is not really the case. In Hindu and Vedic mythology, there is a whole hierarchy of spirits of various different natures - Asuras, Yakshas, Vetalas, Rakshasas, Devas, and so on. That man interacts with these beings, or these beings can interact with man, is not something which is unusual in the Hindu mythology. There are even various methods as to how to use such beings to fulfill ones own desires, which is in fact the reason why all these rituals are there in Vedas. So it was not an unusual thing, that one who would be trying to control such entities, a Brahmin priest or a yogi, would be "possessed " by a certain spirit once in a while, and would have to go through a certain ceremony to expel the demon.And just as there is a heaven and a hell in Christianity and Judaism, the same is the case in Hinduism. If you have been living an impure life, then the soul would be sent by Yama, the Lord of Justice, to a Naraka , a kind of hell where the soul receives purification for its sins before it can continue in its evolution.

Indeed, there is a heirarchy of spirits. There is a story of a Yaksha possessing a sage in one of the Upanishads. However, what you are ignoring here is Ayurveda which is the oldest tradition of medicine in the Vedic tradition. You clearly have not read the Sushruta and Charaka Samhita, the two encylopedias of Ayurveda and studied at university on Ayurveda degrees. In Ayurveda three causes for disease are given: 1) Somatic 2) Seasonal and 3) Supernatural.
They are each treated in the same way. First, it is diagnosed which dosha they are affecting, and then a treatment to restore the balance of the dosha is given.

In Ayurveda and the Atharvaveda the word “Rakshasa” is called a demon but it is also a germ. Each Rakshasa is given a name, and in order to treat each one a herb is also given. Other methods mentioned are fumigation, the the sun rays, fire.

Direct citations:

Kaushitaki Brahmana 17, 4: The blood sucking germs are also called Rakshasa"
Shatapata Brahmana 7, 4, 1, 34: These Rakshasas can be killed by fire too
Rig Veda 10, 118.1: Agni, refulgent among men, thou slayest the devouring fiends(Rakshasa) = Agni kills the germs called Rakshasa

In the Charaka Samhita the word Krimi(parasite) is used in place of Rakshasa. 20 of these krimis are described, along with the diseases they cause, descriptions of what they look like and symptoms etc

That the Vedic and Hindu tradition is free from these kinds of superstitions is not really the case, it is filled with all kinds of fictions. There are some rare traditions who have simply seen these various “deities” as different aspects of ones own consciousness as well as being symbolic of certain forces of nature both within and without oneself.

There is nothing rare about it. The Devas and the Asuras are indeed aspects of the mind if you read the proper Sanskrit translation using the Nirukta. The Devas, comes from the root div, which means shining one/luminious and light. They are in the causal plane or swaha. Their effects manifest in the mental plane and the physical plane(triloka) Vedic ontology is idealist, which means that Vedas believe the entire world is actually mind only. It is all occuring in the mind. Yes, there are heaven and hell in the Vedic tradition, but they are mental planes i.e., within us. In the Abrahamic tradition they are actual places in the world, the heavens were thought to be above us. In the Vedic tradition, they are planes of reality that exist in the mind.

Aurobindo and Swami Dayananda Saraswati have given more accurate translations of the Vedas and explain what the Devas and Asuras are. Read their works and get enlightened :wink:

You are getting a free education here :wink:

#58

Sometimes I flare up my agni and blast my raksha sha sha’s too!

Only when feeling vibrations though

and after

I’ve come into the space of my own experience.

#59

The Risis experienced the Devas in their deep meditation. The inner world is described as a battlefield between the Devas and the Asuras or the Aryas and the Dasyus. Simply put positive and negative forces which tear us apart from within. Some deep experiences in meditation are given specific names - this was explained by Aurobindo in his “Secret of the Vedas” when you experience the great flow of knowledge and inspiration it is called “Saraswati” and the word Saraswati itself means flow. In one verse in the Rig Veda it explains how when saraswati flows the entire mind is brightened.

If you want to understand the Vedas you need to see the psychological sense each of the devas and asuras represents, otherwise they will make no sense to you and sound like little more than mythology. This is why it is crucial to read the Vedas using the vyakarana method using the Nirukta which explains what the real meaning of each Sanskrit root is.

#60

[QUOTE=The Scales;56350]Thats not detail.
I want the methods and concepts
I want the process from start to finish…
what you do
how do you do it and why.[/QUOTE]In order to understand the system you need to get your Self-realization and start feeling vibrations.
[B]It is pointless to describe the taste of chocolate without tasting it. [/B]

#61

Haha, Seeker you are exactly the reason the OP created this thread. To warn against gullible cult members like you. Everybody who leaves your SY cult is accused of not being able to experience the vibrations. So you are saying I could not feel the vibrations, and the 3 other people who came to the SY via me could not either.

I know exactly what you mean when you say feel the vibrations because I have been a part of your cult for several months. They taught me the method, feeling vibrations is anything from feeling air currents, tinging on the fingers and palms, the rushing of blood, hot and cold spaces - that everybody feels. Only you cult members have to interpret this to mean something spiritual is happening - because you really want to believe it is.

First prove that this vibration checking method is legitimate. Do the experiment I proposed. Consult an independent scientist at your local university. You know that if you did this experiment the results would show your method is complete garbage. Then in order to maintain your delusion you will just accuse the SY members of not being in Nirvirchara awareness :smiley:

You are a completely brainwashed cult member, endorsing a fraud who is defrauding people. I do consider you to be a part of a dangeorus cult. I think we should have some policy on this forum not to allow members of known dangerous cults to post here and advertise these cults.

#62

If I thought a person could be damaged by going to a ‘Center’ or cult then yes I’d let them know my opinion. Big problem in India for women can be the male teachers who make inappropriate advances. There’s very few teachers in India I can recommend to women as a result.

Back in 2001/2 there was a teacher who’d set himself up in Risikesh, he’d pretty much prey on younger women, vulnerable girls who’d traveled to India in search of peace of mind. I let him know what I thought of him and advised others to stay away, but if people then continued to join that group, they were adults and that was their decision. Anyway, the teacher in this case is now banned from India.

People sometimes lack discrimination, that’s why these false gurus exist in the first place. As a teacher its important to encourage discriminative thought, especially with the young.

#63

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56359]So you are saying I could not feel the vibrations, and the 3 other people who came to the SY via me could not either…
I know exactly what you mean when you say feel the vibrations because I have been a part of your cult for several months. …
First prove that this vibration checking method is legitimate.[/QUOTE]
If you felt vibrations is not fair to deny this.
May be this will give you answer about prove from scientists:
How professors and diplomats describe Sahaja yoga

#64

Coming back to the Kabbalah.

I have a friend who is an expert in the Kabbalah. He did a talk at the Theosophical lodge on it. Has leant me a book on it.(I have another one: Kabbalah for dummies) He is very much vested in that tradition. So don’t think I have no knowledge on it. I do. I quite like it as well.
But it is not authentic.

I don’t care what you say about it being the true or real meaning coded by the adepts into the bible. It is a re-interpretation of the bible to give it a mystical sense, using a system like numerology where each hebrew letter is given a number. It is not accepted by traditional and orthodox Jewish experts.

When my friend was giving a lecture somebody asked him how does he know that the meaning he has interpreted from the bible is true. He did not give him any evidence whatsoever, but simply insisted out of faith that it is true.

Some new age idiots want to believe the bible has a code. I leave them to it.

#65

[QUOTE=Seeker33;56368]If you felt vibrations is not fair to deny this.
May be this will give you answer about prove from scientists:
How professors and diplomats describe Sahaja yoga[/QUOTE]

OMG, have you lost your mind? She looks like a walrus sitting in that chair, she sinks right in :smiley: Is this your divine holiness and greatness? This is who you worship? Notice how uncalm she is, how she plays with her hands, a sign of nervousness.

The video is full of cult members who happen to work as scientists. Before they talk they fall at the feet of Shri Mata Ji :wink:

We know Yoga works, duh. And we even know there are loads of scientific studies on it to show it works. Shri Mata ji did not invent Yoga.

This is what cult leaders do they take something that works, then pretend they discovered it :smiley: So when people feel the benefits they will attribute it to the leader.

And sorry it is a total BS that sitting in front of a picture of Shri Mata ji or sitting in her presence will awaken your Kundalini. There are loads of people in that room sitting near her nobodies kundalini is awakening. They say that to make you worship her.

#66

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]OMG, have you lost your mind? She looks like a walrus sitting in that chair, she sinks right in :smiley: Is this your divine holiness and greatness? This is who you worship? Notice how uncalm she is, how she plays with her hands, a sign of nervousness.[/QUOTE]Please discuss the method, not the person.
It is not productive.

#67

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]We know Yoga works, duh. [/QUOTE]Yoga is cessation of mind modifications.
Guess how this will happen.

#68

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]And sorry it is a total BS that sitting in front of a picture of Shri Mata ji or sitting in her presence will awaken your Kundalini. [/QUOTE]Gagangiri Maharaj: Mother, I knew that you would come this particular day to give me self-realization. I have been waiting for this time since thousands of years.
Shri Mataji and Gagangiri Maharaj meeting