[QUOTE=The Scales;56343]What is your current sadhana? I want to hear all about it. In detail. [/QUOTE]Through Nirvichar to establish Nirvikalpa. You will not be able to establish Nirvichar without awakening of Kundalini, because Laya needs to take place.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;56348]Through Nirvichar to establish Nirvikalpa. You will not be able to establish Nirvichar without awakening of Kundalini, because Laya needs to take place.[/QUOTE]
Thats not detail.
I want the methods and concepts
I want the process from start to finish…
what you do
how do you do it
and
why.
It is not really the case. In Hindu and Vedic mythology, there is a whole hierarchy of spirits of various different natures - Asuras, Yakshas, Vetalas, Rakshasas, Devas, and so on. That man interacts with these beings, or these beings can interact with man, is not something which is unusual in the Hindu mythology. There are even various methods as to how to use such beings to fulfill ones own desires, which is in fact the reason why all these rituals are there in Vedas. So it was not an unusual thing, that one who would be trying to control such entities, a Brahmin priest or a yogi, would be "possessed " by a certain spirit once in a while, and would have to go through a certain ceremony to expel the demon.And just as there is a heaven and a hell in Christianity and Judaism, the same is the case in Hinduism. If you have been living an impure life, then the soul would be sent by Yama, the Lord of Justice, to a Naraka , a kind of hell where the soul receives purification for its sins before it can continue in its evolution.
Indeed, there is a heirarchy of spirits. There is a story of a Yaksha possessing a sage in one of the Upanishads. However, what you are ignoring here is Ayurveda which is the oldest tradition of medicine in the Vedic tradition. You clearly have not read the Sushruta and Charaka Samhita, the two encylopedias of Ayurveda and studied at university on Ayurveda degrees. In Ayurveda three causes for disease are given: 1) Somatic 2) Seasonal and 3) Supernatural.
They are each treated in the same way. First, it is diagnosed which dosha they are affecting, and then a treatment to restore the balance of the dosha is given.
In Ayurveda and the Atharvaveda the word “Rakshasa” is called a demon but it is also a germ. Each Rakshasa is given a name, and in order to treat each one a herb is also given. Other methods mentioned are fumigation, the the sun rays, fire.
Direct citations:
Kaushitaki Brahmana 17, 4: The blood sucking germs are also called Rakshasa"
Shatapata Brahmana 7, 4, 1, 34: These Rakshasas can be killed by fire too
Rig Veda 10, 118.1: Agni, refulgent among men, thou slayest the devouring fiends(Rakshasa) = Agni kills the germs called Rakshasa
In the Charaka Samhita the word Krimi(parasite) is used in place of Rakshasa. 20 of these krimis are described, along with the diseases they cause, descriptions of what they look like and symptoms etc
That the Vedic and Hindu tradition is free from these kinds of superstitions is not really the case, it is filled with all kinds of fictions. There are some rare traditions who have simply seen these various “deities” as different aspects of ones own consciousness as well as being symbolic of certain forces of nature both within and without oneself.
There is nothing rare about it. The Devas and the Asuras are indeed aspects of the mind if you read the proper Sanskrit translation using the Nirukta. The Devas, comes from the root div, which means shining one/luminious and light. They are in the causal plane or swaha. Their effects manifest in the mental plane and the physical plane(triloka) Vedic ontology is idealist, which means that Vedas believe the entire world is actually mind only. It is all occuring in the mind. Yes, there are heaven and hell in the Vedic tradition, but they are mental planes i.e., within us. In the Abrahamic tradition they are actual places in the world, the heavens were thought to be above us. In the Vedic tradition, they are planes of reality that exist in the mind.
Aurobindo and Swami Dayananda Saraswati have given more accurate translations of the Vedas and explain what the Devas and Asuras are. Read their works and get enlightened 
You are getting a free education here
Sometimes I flare up my agni and blast my raksha sha sha’s too!
Only when feeling vibrations though
and after
I’ve come into the space of my own experience.
The Risis experienced the Devas in their deep meditation. The inner world is described as a battlefield between the Devas and the Asuras or the Aryas and the Dasyus. Simply put positive and negative forces which tear us apart from within. Some deep experiences in meditation are given specific names - this was explained by Aurobindo in his “Secret of the Vedas” when you experience the great flow of knowledge and inspiration it is called “Saraswati” and the word Saraswati itself means flow. In one verse in the Rig Veda it explains how when saraswati flows the entire mind is brightened.
If you want to understand the Vedas you need to see the psychological sense each of the devas and asuras represents, otherwise they will make no sense to you and sound like little more than mythology. This is why it is crucial to read the Vedas using the vyakarana method using the Nirukta which explains what the real meaning of each Sanskrit root is.
[QUOTE=The Scales;56350]Thats not detail.
I want the methods and concepts
I want the process from start to finish…
what you do
how do you do it and why.[/QUOTE]In order to understand the system you need to get your Self-realization and start feeling vibrations.
[B]It is pointless to describe the taste of chocolate without tasting it. [/B]
Haha, Seeker you are exactly the reason the OP created this thread. To warn against gullible cult members like you. Everybody who leaves your SY cult is accused of not being able to experience the vibrations. So you are saying I could not feel the vibrations, and the 3 other people who came to the SY via me could not either.
I know exactly what you mean when you say feel the vibrations because I have been a part of your cult for several months. They taught me the method, feeling vibrations is anything from feeling air currents, tinging on the fingers and palms, the rushing of blood, hot and cold spaces - that everybody feels. Only you cult members have to interpret this to mean something spiritual is happening - because you really want to believe it is.
First prove that this vibration checking method is legitimate. Do the experiment I proposed. Consult an independent scientist at your local university. You know that if you did this experiment the results would show your method is complete garbage. Then in order to maintain your delusion you will just accuse the SY members of not being in Nirvirchara awareness 
You are a completely brainwashed cult member, endorsing a fraud who is defrauding people. I do consider you to be a part of a dangeorus cult. I think we should have some policy on this forum not to allow members of known dangerous cults to post here and advertise these cults.
If I thought a person could be damaged by going to a ‘Center’ or cult then yes I’d let them know my opinion. Big problem in India for women can be the male teachers who make inappropriate advances. There’s very few teachers in India I can recommend to women as a result.
Back in 2001/2 there was a teacher who’d set himself up in Risikesh, he’d pretty much prey on younger women, vulnerable girls who’d traveled to India in search of peace of mind. I let him know what I thought of him and advised others to stay away, but if people then continued to join that group, they were adults and that was their decision. Anyway, the teacher in this case is now banned from India.
People sometimes lack discrimination, that’s why these false gurus exist in the first place. As a teacher its important to encourage discriminative thought, especially with the young.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56359]So you are saying I could not feel the vibrations, and the 3 other people who came to the SY via me could not either…
I know exactly what you mean when you say feel the vibrations because I have been a part of your cult for several months. …
First prove that this vibration checking method is legitimate.[/QUOTE]
If you felt vibrations is not fair to deny this.
May be this will give you answer about prove from scientists:
How professors and diplomats describe Sahaja yoga
Coming back to the Kabbalah.
I have a friend who is an expert in the Kabbalah. He did a talk at the Theosophical lodge on it. Has leant me a book on it.(I have another one: Kabbalah for dummies) He is very much vested in that tradition. So don’t think I have no knowledge on it. I do. I quite like it as well.
But it is not authentic.
I don’t care what you say about it being the true or real meaning coded by the adepts into the bible. It is a re-interpretation of the bible to give it a mystical sense, using a system like numerology where each hebrew letter is given a number. It is not accepted by traditional and orthodox Jewish experts.
When my friend was giving a lecture somebody asked him how does he know that the meaning he has interpreted from the bible is true. He did not give him any evidence whatsoever, but simply insisted out of faith that it is true.
Some new age idiots want to believe the bible has a code. I leave them to it.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;56368]If you felt vibrations is not fair to deny this.
May be this will give you answer about prove from scientists:
How professors and diplomats describe Sahaja yoga[/QUOTE]
OMG, have you lost your mind? She looks like a walrus sitting in that chair, she sinks right in Is this your divine holiness and greatness? This is who you worship? Notice how uncalm she is, how she plays with her hands, a sign of nervousness.
The video is full of cult members who happen to work as scientists. Before they talk they fall at the feet of Shri Mata Ji
We know Yoga works, duh. And we even know there are loads of scientific studies on it to show it works. Shri Mata ji did not invent Yoga.
This is what cult leaders do they take something that works, then pretend they discovered it So when people feel the benefits they will attribute it to the leader.
And sorry it is a total BS that sitting in front of a picture of Shri Mata ji or sitting in her presence will awaken your Kundalini. There are loads of people in that room sitting near her nobodies kundalini is awakening. They say that to make you worship her.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]OMG, have you lost your mind? She looks like a walrus sitting in that chair, she sinks right in 
Is this your divine holiness and greatness? This is who you worship? Notice how uncalm she is, how she plays with her hands, a sign of nervousness.[/QUOTE]Please discuss the method, not the person.
It is not productive.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]We know Yoga works, duh. [/QUOTE]Yoga is cessation of mind modifications.
Guess how this will happen.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56379]And sorry it is a total BS that sitting in front of a picture of Shri Mata ji or sitting in her presence will awaken your Kundalini. [/QUOTE]Gagangiri Maharaj: Mother, I knew that you would come this particular day to give me self-realization. I have been waiting for this time since thousands of years.
Shri Mataji and Gagangiri Maharaj meeting
[QUOTE=Seeker33;56357]In order to understand the system you need to get your Self-realization and start feeling vibrations.
[B]It is pointless to describe the taste of chocolate without tasting it. [/B][/QUOTE]
See - but I have had chocolate - every-which way you can go.
Now stop dancing around and give me the info - as i asked for it.
Your up next Amir.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;56386]Please discuss the method, not the person.
It is not productive. [/QUOTE]
No, I will in fact talk about the person. Why? Because she claims to be the divine mother supreme goddess. Why is she such a fat blob then? Surely, she should be healthy, fit and free of disease and defects? She cannot even string a sentence without saying errr.
And what about the claim that by seeing her picture or sitting near by her ones kundalini will awaken. There is room full of people in that video, nobodies kundalini appears to be awakening. I have sat down with her picture and meditated with it - still negative.
This charlatan also claims to have opened up the Sahasara chakra in 1970 so all of humanity can get full realization. Prior to that, the fraud claimed nobody got self-realization. It was she - the great divine walrus that made it possible for people to get self-realized.
We know her story - she was attending Osho's ashram. Her eyes light up when she saw the great success he was having. So she said, "I want to be a guru as well" She is trying to be the female osho. But Osho was a lot more pleasing to the eye 
Seeker,
You are clearly very much in denial, go read links in original post on Sahaja Yoga and try do so (as difficult as it may be for you) with an open mind.
Many Cults have such so called proofs - The Mormons you pray asking if it is the truth & you get a burning feeling in your bosom / Scientology ‘highs’ from auditing / Siddha Yoga receive shaktipat - the awakening of the shakti spiritual energy / Sahaja Yoga - vibrations & cool breeze, etc.
Common denominator between all these occurences is there is nothing spiritual or mystical going on these are all perfectly natural phenomena anyone can experience. Sahaja Yoga the vibrations & breeze, etc are specfically designed to ‘hoodwink’ people and lure them in in to thinking something amazing & deeply spiritual is going on, when in reality it is nothing whatsoever of the sort.
Go ask the great Shri Mataji to do anything supernatural and prove it to Scientists under strict conditions, or even just to demonstrate the vibrations & cool breeze are not naturally occuring phenomena that anyone can experience including those that have never even heard of Sahaja Yoga.
That’s the problem right there - Shri Mataji knows it is nonsense and never has nor ever will try to prove it is real. Just as the great Sathya Sai Baba ( a 3rd rate magician!!! David Blaine or David Copperfield could wipe the floor with that joker) refuses point blank to perform his party tricks - he claims real supernatural powers under Scientific strict conditions (go look up Sai Baba Fake etc on Youtube to see him blatantly doing 3rd rate magic tricks and very badly too - 100% undeniable he is a complete fake watch the videos e.g. producing Vibhuti sacred ash from his hands, close ups reveal dried pellets between his fingers that he then crushes to produce the ash!), yet…his following is in the tens of millions worldwide! Like you these people are in denial.
[QUOTE=MindNinja;56444]Seeker,
You are clearly very much in denial, go read links in original post on Sahaja Yoga and try do so (as difficult as it may be for you) with an open mind.
Many Cults have such so called proofs - The Mormons you pray asking if it is the truth & you get a burning feeling in your bosom / Scientology ‘highs’ from auditing / Siddha Yoga receive shaktipat - the awakening of the shakti spiritual energy / Sahaja Yoga - vibrations & cool breeze, etc.
Common denominator between all these occurences is there is nothing spiritual or mystical going on these are all perfectly natural phenomena anyone can experience. Sahaja Yoga the vibrations & breeze, etc are specfically designed to ‘hoodwink’ people and lure them in in to thinking something amazing & deeply spiritual is going on, when in reality it is nothing whatsoever of the sort.
Go ask the great Shri Mataji to do anything supernatural and prove it to Scientists under strict conditions, or even just to demonstrate the vibrations & cool breeze are not naturally occuring phenomena that anyone can experience including those that have never even heard of Sahaja Yoga.
That’s the problem right there - Shri Mataji knows it is nonsense and never has nor ever will try to prove it is real. Just as the great Sathya Sai Baba ( a 3rd rate magician!!! David Blaine or David Copperfield could wipe the floor with that joker) refuses point blank to perform his party tricks - he claims real supernatural powers under Scientific strict conditions (go look up Sai Baba Fake etc on Youtube to see him blatantly doing 3rd rate magic tricks and very badly too - 100% undeniable he is a complete fake watch the videos e.g. producing Vibhuti sacred ash from his hands, close ups reveal dried pellets between his fingers that he then crushes to produce the ash!), yet…his following is in the tens of millions worldwide! Like you these people are in denial.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post.
My opinion.
You seem to be very knowledgeable in this area would you care to share why?
As I mentioned Sathya Sai Baba earlier as the best example of a blatant fake and conman, and with followers clearly in denial as the evidence against him is overwhelming, here are few videos. [B]Note Sathya Sai Baba’s following is in the tens of millions worldwide!, some say around 50 million[/B] despite some general wishy washy new age coupled with Indian mysticism philosophy and some very poorly done magic tricks that he claims are real and he has supernatural powers.
[B]Sai Baba claims to be like God - omnipresent, omnipotent & omniscient amazingly with all that power his best demonstrations involve party tricks[/B] your little brother would be embarrassed to do at a party & if Sai Baba went on stage with top hat dressed like a magician he would get rightly booed off stage.
His followers not only believe these feeble pathetically done conjuring tricks to be real supernatural feats, they believe his claims to have powers that God has and are in absolute complete denial when confronted with the overwhelming evidence he is a complete charlatan & fake.
[B]Sathya Sai Baba wields serious influence & has huge number of followers in Indian govt. including people at the very top! Scary! [/B]
The saddest thing is just look atthe audiences when he speaks, look at he devotees they are very sincere people seeking spirituality & truth and that is admirable, but they are tragically being hoodwinked by a total conman.
[QUOTE=The Scales;56401]See - but I have had chocolate - every-which way you can go.
Now stop dancing around and give me the info - as i asked for it.
Your up next Amir.[/QUOTE]As I told you first you must start feeling your Kundalini and then I can guide you. You must know alphabet and after you can start comprehending.