Dangers Of Yoga?

I’ve read a lot on Yoga, and keep coming across Dangers of Yoga in writings, not so much in physical postures but in other aspects. Here are a few examples :

‘‘In India and Europe I came across some three hundred people who suffered permanently from wrong practices, the doctors on examination found there was nothing organicaly wrong and consequently could not prescribe.’’ [Swami Shree Purohit ‘Aphorisms of Yoga’]

‘‘To practice pranayama breath control without real guidance is very dangerous, I know of three persons that have died of it.’’ [Sri Chimnoy]

‘‘Now we come to breathing exercises. Let me caution you : they can be very dangerous. Unless properly done there is a good chance of injuring the brain. And those who practice such breathing without proper supervision can suffer a disease which no known science or doctor can cure. It is impossible even for a medical person to diagnose such illness.’’ [Swami Prabhavanada]

‘‘As regards breathing exercises I know that Sri Ramakrishna, and all the disciples of Ramakrishna warned us not to practice them.’’ [Swami Praphavanada ‘Yoga and Mysticism’] [I]Despite this Vivekananda (Ramakrishna’s disciple encouraged doing the breathing exercises [Swami nikhilananda ‘Vivekanada the Yogas and Other Works’][/I]

‘‘Yoga is not a trifling jest if we consider that any misunderstanding in the practice of yoga can mean death and insanity…if the breath is prematurely exhausted withdrawn there is immediate danger of death for the yogi.’’ [Hans Ulrich Rieker ‘The Yoga of Light’]

‘‘A woman of my acquaintance upset her hormonal balance doing yoga, and it produced a malfunction in her adrenal glands. Doctors didn’t know how to reverse the effects and she soon died. Swami Rami warns that some advanced breathing which is common in yoga can cause a person to harm themself irreparably.’’ [Richard Keininger]

[U][B]Do people feel these dangers are very real, and therefore people should be warned more about them? Or they are very much exaggerated or not real danger at all, despite some leading lights in Yoga saying they are real dangers? The average person practicing Yoga incl. breathing exercises has in my experience never heard of the dangers before. [/B][/U]

Paul Oldfield -A well known British entertainer & practicing yogi who has performed worldwide - ‘‘I first discovered I had this ability at a young age whilst practicing yoga, it was through yoga practice and advanced breath control methods I was able not only to control my skills but develop them to a degree I believe I am the only person in the world that can do this. When learning advanced breathing methods in yoga I had blackouts sometimes and severe dizzy spells which would sometimes occur long after the actual practice, now I have developed it much more it is very rare I experience such things, though I would certainly caution anyone against trying to master advanced breathing techniques and breath control in yoga, or at the very least to proceed with extreme caution.’’

[B]Here is Paul Oldfield performing his act, which may seem bizarre or odd but one can only marvel at his breath control to be able to do such feats : [/B]

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Fo1zHJIQc&feature=related

  2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bcIWvE-3g

  3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpPEnwQe3Q [B][I]this clip is actually continuous and demonstrates as he has stated with advanced yogic breathing he can sustain such efforts. [/I][/B]

‘‘Without mastering advanced Yoga breathing, it would be impossible for me to perform and demonstrate these skills.’’ (Paul Oldfield).

You have not truly questioned the safety of Yoga, but of breathing control practices. While pranayam is often an aspect of yoga, it is not Yoga itself. I suggest you might update your subject line. :slight_smile:

My personal take: if one is doing these techniques to show off what they can do, or to prove to themselves that they can do them, they are not doing Yoga.

Joanna63 ‘‘I suggest you might update your subject line’’, I suggest you might go study Yoga futher.

Breathing techniques are part of Yoga, go read the main texts or see above quotes. You say ‘‘pranayam is often an aspect of yoga, it is not Yoga itself’’ - Yoga itself to you is what just physical exercises? You can have Yoga without breathing exercises or lesser emphasis on them but doing any physical postures means you have to breath and be taught to do so e.g. you hold your breath for a Ashtanga fast sequence you will be very out of breath quick and find it harder to do the next sequence. You can have Yoga without physical exercises or much lesser emphasis on them (Kriya Yoga - Yogananda, Siddha Yoga - Muktananda/Chidvilasananda, Brahma Kumaris-Raja Yoga, etc), so saying ‘‘pranayam is often an aspect of yoga, it is not Yoga itself’’ makes little sense.

Regarding dangers I’m referring to psychic/occult powers Kundalini, Chakras, etc not just breath control. There are dangers from physical postures too of course such as trying advanced asanas without proper supervision or instruction.

[B]If you view all of the 3 video links above then you will see breath control, and it is dangerous and serious strain on body to perform such actions.[/B] ‘‘My personal take: if one is doing these techniques to show off what they can do, or to prove to themselves that they can do them, they are not doing Yoga’’ that is your view and perfectly valid some will agree with that. Though go look up any well known Instructor on Youtube, they all have videos demonstrating (e.g. often advanced poses) showing off if you like but it is promotion and marketing too, if you can’t do Yoga and demonstrate it you probably shouldn’t be teaching it. Likewise anyone claiming to have mastered Yoga if you only ever see them doing very basic asanas, then you might question their claims. With Paul Oldfield clips (see above) he is saying this is what you can do with Yoga and from practicing advanced breathing exercises, and demonstrating the impossible can become possible, as he states nobody else in the world can do what he can do - watch video clips closely and you wil see such a claim is probably true.

Anything can be dangerous when whackos take it to the extreme. I suppose drinking tea can be dangerous, to some extent, if served blisteringly hot and scalding the mouth and esophagus. I am sure that someone, somewhere, today got dangerously hurt walking to the bus station.

As far as psychic/occult powers of Kundalini…:rolleyes: The only danger there is the danger of the power of suggestion on a vulnerable mind, in which case, anything can happen.

Flex Penguin,

True anything can be dangerous but when leading lights in Yoga are warning you of the dangers and they are mentioned in authoritative texts, then it should be considered or taken seriously at least.

Here is comment from Yoga Instructor - Maya Wells regarding Paul Oldfield - ‘‘I met Paul Oldfield after he demonstrated his skills, initially I thought to be honest a very crude and vulgar display but after actually speaking with him, I realisedthis was not the case and was actually a brilliant display of using the breath and concentration techniques. He invited me to try it, as I am known as an experienced and advanced yoga teacher; try it I did, all that resulted were my eyes going slightly bloodshot and my face much redder but in no way could I duplicate what Paul could do. Paul had told me learning this he had passed out several times, even hallucinated and had out of body experiences, such are the difficulties in mastering the techniques. Subsequently I have studied under Paul, which has greatly enhanced my Yoga practice and teaching abilities.’’

[B]EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THE VIDEO CLIPS, AS MAYA WELLS SAID SHE THOUGHT AT FIRST IT WAS SO CRUDE & VULGAR BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT HE IS DOING, YOU WILL SEE THE SKILL AND AMAZING BREATH CONTROL THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN DO : [/B]

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Fo1zHJIQc

  2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bcIWvE-3g

  3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpPEnwQe3Q [B]In this one he sustains it for almost 1 full minute! Absolutely incredible breath & muscle control gained from years of Yoga practice[/B]

EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THE VIDEO CLIPS, AS MAYA WELLS SAID SHE THOUGHT AT FIRST IT WAS SO CRUDE & VULGAR BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT HE IS DOING, YOU WILL SEE THE SKILL AND AMAZING BREATH CONTROL THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN DO

Sorry, don’t really care about this stuff. Show-offy. Why do I care if no one else can do these things you are giving links to? Hypothetical, please don’t answer. Because these things make no difference for me in my life.
What Yoga is for me is about coming into balance with your life both physically and spiritually. Please do not make assumptions about me just because you don’t like my view.

I don’t believe one needs practice extreme breath control to attain this.
Again, while breathing properly is an important part of yoga, it is not necessary to do these extreme practices.

Your posts are more about LOOK AT THIS - HOLY CRAP! and not “Is this truly a dangerous thing to practice Yoga?” as your title suggests. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Joanna63;60401]
I don’t believe one needs practice extreme breath control to attain this.
Again, while breathing properly is an important part of yoga, it is not necessary to do these extreme practices.

.[/QUOTE]

What has been demonstrated is a standard yogic practice (a variation of teh shatkarmas- the six cleansing practices)- those who have studied at the Bihar School of Yoga will recognise the Vatsara Dhauti - the intestinal air wash. Air is sucked in and passed out through the intestines.

Nothing very advanced or extreme :stuck_out_tongue:

Reaswaran,

If the videos above show as you put it ‘nothing very advanced or extreme’ please post a video of yourself doing it, or anyone else for that matter. He is the only person in the world that can do that so I would say he was doing something very advanced. He can also extinguish a candle flame from 3 feet away indoors doing that. [B]Watch links above again in their entirety, then maybe you wil realise how skillful and what a true master of Yoga he really is. [/B]
As I mentioned these are to demonstrate the power of Yoga ‘‘it is like a finger pointing to the moon, don’t concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory.’’ Just as on Youtube many well known Yogas teachers will demonstrate advanced asanas, if all they did were basicones people may question how good or knowledgable they are. Just as in spirituality Sathya Sai Baba (not Yoga teacher) claims to be an Avatar he does ‘party tricks’ like producing sacred ash vibhuti, materialising rings, etc but they are just to draw attention and not his whole message.

Paul Oldfield as well as being able to perform the extraordinary feats you see in the videos above, he can also do advanced asanas, can astrally project at will when meditating, he has activated all chakras, etc. He also claims that at times he has actually produced visible flames fire whilst doing that, without himself or anyone lighting it, and he explains that as strong internal energy and Kundalini power being raised.

Joanna63,

You said ‘‘Your posts are more about LOOK AT THIS - HOLY CRAP! and not “Is this truly a dangerous thing to practice Yoga?” as your title suggests. Just saying.’’ - not at all!

Read the quotes in my original post from renowned Yoga experts - talk of [B][U]people that have died [/U][/B]from such practices, talk of [B][U]people getting illnesses from yoga practice that no doctor can cure[/U][/B], etc and you say ‘’“Is this truly a dangerous thing to practice Yoga?” - when you can die, get an incurable illness, [B][U]injure the brain[/U][/B], etc then to answer your question - yes’ I’d say that was rather dangerous wouldn’t you?

[B]Try watch above videos in their entirety they are only short, and maybe you will appreciate the advanced skill involved taking years of dedicated practice. [/B] As for your comment on show offy, etc - a great many well known Yoga teachers today have highlight reels on Youtube showing advanced asanas etc, if they only did the basics that everyone can do many might think they were not a great teacher or that knowledgabe.

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Fo1zHJIQc

  2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bcIWvE-3g

  3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpPEnwQe3Q

[B]Last link there 3) turn up volume on speakers to hear properly absolutely astonishing and lasts nearly a full minutes duration;[/B] he has said to do this requires very strong muscle and breath control, as well as activating chakras and raising kundalini.

[QUOTE=MindNinja;60460]Reaswaran,

If the videos above show as you put it ‘nothing very advanced or extreme’ please post a video of yourself doing it, .[/QUOTE]

The purpose of the Kriya is to cleanse the intestine, not to extinguish a candle !.

There are three possibilities.

  1. You understand the powerful tools of Yoga and operate accordingly.

  2. You understand but operate in discord with that understanding.

  3. You do not understand the power of the tools (thinking they are an “exercise” or “weight loss” program) and therefore run amok with them in your own living as a result of ignorance.

Of course we all get to choose which of these we ascribe to for our own path. I’ll say no more than that

Read the quotes in my original post from renowned Yoga experts - talk of people that have died from such practices, talk of people getting illnesses from yoga practice that no doctor can cure, etc and you say ‘’“Is this truly a dangerous thing to practice Yoga?” - when you can die, get an incurable illness, injure the brain, etc then to answer your question - yes’ I’d say that was rather dangerous wouldn’t you?

Then it is a truly dangerous thing to live our daily life, as many people have died or been injured doing it.
Anything can be dangerous when practiced improperly or without full knowledge.

The reason why any method towards the expansion of consciousness can be dangerous has little to do with the method itself. In certain hands, it can become an instrument towards one’s freedom. In certain hands, it can become an instrument for one’s sufferings and delusions.

Man is a very complex being. And if you are going to do any kind of engineering on one’s being, you should not try tampering with it without a proper understanding of it’s workings. It is just like trying to engineer a computer without understanding anything about a computer, hoping that somehow things are going to turn out well. Naturally, the end result is going to be a disaster. Man’s system is not different - it is like a machine, a machine which has evolved out of thousands of years of evolution. The machine is such - that nature has never put anything in this machine without it performing a very specific function. So if you make an attempt to tamper with it, you can open doors to all kinds of disasters if you are not doing so with the proper understanding. If there is even a small part of you which is imbalanced, it can create an imbalance in all the other parts. Like any machine, all of the parts are interrelated. And the reason why something like enlightenment is possible is because most machines are more or less the same. If one person discovers the method for coming to one’s enlightenment - he can assist others towards the same space.

All kinds of psychological and physical disorders can arise out of creating imbalances from these disciplines. Cases like multiple personality disorders, schizophrenia, paranoia, neurosis, obsessive compulsive disorders, inferiority complexes, or a number of physical sicknesses which are recognized today in science - are not new. They are as ancient as one can conceive. In the ancient world - it was assumed that with such cases, the person was “possessed” by an evil spirit or a demon. They may have had their own interpretation as to what that means, but it has some truth to it. Because whenever a single force or an idea, or an aspect of your own consciousness overwhelms your mind, you become possessed by it. You may even become possessed by it in such a way, that it seems that the old personality has gone completely. In the spiritual sciences, such cases of “possession” have been quite common out of improper practice. And the danger is not if you practice and are unsuccessful, then there is no danger at all. But if you practice without the proper understanding and you are successful - then it can be disasterous - not just for a person in this life, but he may be damaging his expansion for so many lives. This is one of the reasons why, particularly in the yogic sciences, much emphasis has been put on initiation and obtaining the help of a master or a guru. These were all security measures to make such that such things do not happen, and that the person practicing the method can do so with the proper understanding, insight, and awareness.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;60578]This is one of the reasons why, particularly in the yogic sciences, much emphasis has been put on initiation and obtaining the help of a master or a guru. These were all security measures to make such that such things do not happen, and that the person practicing the method can do so with the proper understanding, insight, and awareness.[/QUOTE]

A difficult task if one has not reached a level of awareness required to identifying a worthy guide, one is left with trial and error and in the hands of an expert illusionist one could likely be manipulated in the direction of confusion?

Rational mind does not have limits. This is the main problem and we don?t know where to stop.

HI,
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A lot of people speak about spirituality, but unless and until you taste their cake you can understand if their cake is plastic or not.