Feeling of fear during mind stillness

Hi Everyone,

I’m 29 and have been practicing 30 minutes of yoga every day for the past two months. On two occasions I’ve experiences an absence of mind, stillness, where the entire focus is on the body and its experience. The experience only lasted for about 30 seconds as the deeper I go into stillness fear begins to creep in. I’m not use to this feeling and it feels as though I’m loosing my mind, and if I go deeper it will not return. I assume this is my mind chatter which is being turned fully to the off position, a strange feeling indeed. I find this fascinating and would like to explore it further, any suggestions?

Also during both instances I did the following sequence of poses to trigger the stillness.

  1. Forward bend,
  2. Downward dog, chaturanga, downward dog
  3. Pidgin pose.
    I believe it is a rather active set for poses, is there a specific type of yoga this would fit into?

Regards,
Martin

Tido, do not worry, just let yourself sink in. The chances of you not coming back are the same as you not coming back from sleep.

I hear you Durya Deva, it’s just scary, :). Who would of though freedom from mind would feel so unsettling.

Realizing misidentification of ?being mind/body? destroys the entire illusionary world one has created in minds imagination, what could possibly be a more unsettling evolution; the yogic sciences is intended preparation for this happening.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;81479]Tido, do not worry, just let yourself sink in. The chances of you not coming back are the same as you not coming back from sleep.[/QUOTE]

Surya Deva has made an interesting point: Our obsession with the mind/body identification happens in waking/dreaming hours only, when unconscious sleep occurs everything is forgotten i.e. as the I-AM-NESS sense arises everything appears and when the I-AM-NESS subsides everything disappears, this is how important our waking life is to ourselves, each night we lay down close our eyes and succumb to the risk of ending it all.

Martin,
The ego has a strong defense mechanism. I believe it evolved to assist us in survival, like any other organ or limb. But it has gotten incredibly strong and has convinced us that its needs are truly in our best interest. Yoga tells us that assumption is incorrect. The Yoga Sutras tell us that by identifying with the ego, combined with an ignorance of our true nature (which is far beyond the ego) are the causes of our own suffering. Certainly if you fear surrendering to your true nature, I wouldn’t recommend jumping feet first into it. How about if you get a meditation end chime (on CD or phone ap) and just spend 5 minutes in that mind-stillness, just to develop a comfort level with it slowly. Then you can gradually increase your time in meditation as your fears subside.

Tido,

I suggest, you re-read your thread and re-visit the occurrence. You have mentioned ?absence? of mind and ?stilled? mind at the same time. If you were conscious only of the body and totally engrossed in the experience of the moment, it was certainly not ?absence? of mind.
You were more likely in a meditative state. Now why were you fearful and not at peace with yourself? Some possibilities:

  1. It was an early occurrence that you didn?t understand and was involuntary (most spiritual experiences occur first this way.) With practice one tries to simulate the state consciously, at will and that?s when the fear will disappear.
  2. It is mind?s intrinsic quality to flit from one to another object when attention shifts, thoughts change, our senses switch focus. This happens when we are doing anything that we like whole heartedly. Just recall how we sit glued to TV when we are involved in the story of any sitcom. But, when for some reason, it happened for 30 seconds while doing yoga it was unexpected to your mind. So, it felt pressure and sense of losing control over the self and hence, fear.
  3. Having said that, meditative state is a stepping stone for Samadhi and while the mind was stilled for a fraction of second, you did enter a mindless state, samadhi. Now accidental samadhi creates a complete void because while the mind withdraws, its far superior replacement, spiritual wisdom has not yet dawned. When the mind withdraws the senses have no work and the body consciousness is lost too since that depends solely on senses. So, you landed in a twilight zone without preparation.
    Why you need to simulate the occurrence is to understand it better in this context. Many times ability to enter samadhi is a legacy of previous lives; a gift in the present lifetime. Like SD says, just stay with it and absorb it.

[QUOTE=yogadealer;81497]Certainly if you fear surrendering to your true nature, I wouldn’t recommend jumping feet first into it. How about if you get a meditation end chime (on CD or phone ap) and just spend 5 minutes in that mind-stillness, just to develop a comfort level with it slowly. Then you can gradually increase your time in meditation as your fears subside.[/QUOTE]

Hi yogaealer, thank you for you suggestion. I’ll definitely learning to practice not pushing myself with yoga, but rather listen to myself and go at that pace, there are infinite yoga practices remaining, :). That being said I do think it was the asanas which triggered the shift of focus, so I’m not sure if meditation alone will allow a repeat of the experience.

[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;81502]Tido,

I suggest, you re-read your thread and re-visit the occurrence. You have mentioned ‘absence’ of mind and ‘stilled’ mind at the same time. If you were conscious only of the body and totally engrossed in the experience of the moment, it was certainly not ‘absence’ of mind.
You were more likely in a meditative state. Now why were you fearful and not at peace with yourself? Some possibilities:

  1. It was an early occurrence that you didn’t understand and was involuntary (most spiritual experiences occur first this way.) With practice one tries to simulate the state consciously, at will and that’s when the fear will disappear.
  2. It is mind’s intrinsic quality to flit from one to another object when attention shifts, thoughts change, our senses switch focus. This happens when we are doing anything that we like whole heartedly. Just recall how we sit glued to TV when we are involved in the story of any sitcom. But, when for some reason, it happened for 30 seconds while doing yoga it was unexpected to your mind. So, it felt pressure and sense of losing control over the self and hence, fear.
  3. Having said that, meditative state is a stepping stone for Samadhi and while the mind was stilled for a fraction of second, you did enter a mindless state, samadhi. Now accidental samadhi creates a complete void because while the mind withdraws, its far superior replacement, spiritual wisdom has not yet dawned. When the mind withdraws the senses have no work and the body consciousness is lost too since that depends solely on senses. So, you landed in a twilight zone without preparation.
    Why you need to simulate the occurrence is to understand it better in this context. Many times ability to enter samadhi is a legacy of previous lives; a gift in the present lifetime. Like SD says, just stay with it and absorb it.[/QUOTE]

It’s tricky to put a label on it as it was such a new experience, and it does not even seem right to do so as words can never be fully accurate. That being said I think it was more of a stillness of mind and some of that whole hearted focus must have been engaged (as you’ve mentioned in #2)). During my practice I slowly being flow from one asana to another; as the flow increases my minds control begins to fade. During some of the last poses in my practice, (post #1, pidgin pose), which is a good stretch for me, my focus is fully engaged in my body, and for those sweet 30 seconds the mind has not a thing to say. The following of my energy and breadth becomes my master, and the mind has nothing to say about it. Well at least for the 30 seconds it lasts. It’s just a novel feeling, but with gentle practice I should be able to relax into it and explore, because it does feel good at the same tim. Looking forward to new experiences.

Thanks to everyone for posting the tips.

Hi tido,
I dont have any suggestions for you, but concerned. Has it gotten any better?

It is completely natural to feel fear , everybody has it . Not everybody in the same manner , but not willing to be in the moment and feeling unrestfull is also a type of fear. So face it , look it in the eye and it will loose its power. Peace and love;)