Gurus

this is one of those things taht is hard to talk about on a computer, but might as well try.

I have been going to a hindu temple for four weeks and have learned some very good things about postures and breathing and meditation, but four weeks is not a long time either. To me the Swami seems very standoffish, but the next guy in line is the complete opposite. With the swami I feel very uncomfortable asking him quesitons and the answers seem vague and almost like he is waiting to leave. after yoga everyone is out of there in less then five minutes. If I could I would like to learn from the person who is under him. I do realize part, or maybe all of me feeling uncomfortable around the swami might be my issue and not his.

Another thing is that the food offered is not organic and they spray pesticides on the plants in their guardens, a member of the temple does this at teh swamis request/instructions. Being food is the second most important life source, these chemicals are put into the foods. along with that they cook things in the microwave for food after yoga.

letting things like this bother me, maybe I am expecting perfection and some of it is my issue? on the other hand is some of it their responsibility?

Tubeseeker,
I have a few questions that may may give you (and us) more insight into your situation:

  1. To what deity is the temple’s devotion? Hanuman? Shiva? Durga? Other?
  2. Is the Swami Indian-born?
  3. Have you attended any other offerings (ie kirtan, puja, meditation, arti, darshan, etc) at the temple than yogasana?
  4. Are you personally seeking a Guru or attending the temple classes to get another perspective on yogasana?
  5. Who is/was/were the Guru(s) to this Swami? What is his lineage?

Namaste

Shall I presume that the question at the bottom of your text is the actual question? The answer to that is yes it is their responsibility and yes it is your responsibility. You are considering the duality. Always look at your stuff to clarify. If you are expecting perfection you may very well be aggitated in whatever pasture you put out to.

Some gurus are gurus and some gurus are not. Even those who’s light is truly white light may still be standoffish as you say until the student accepts them as teacher, until the student has a level of commitment. The student changes the nature of the relationship by their level of interest or entry or acceptance.

How do we determine our teacher? How do we find the guru who is guru and avoid the one who merely looks the part? In making the determination we must look beyond what we normally see, beyond what we normally hear. Words and robes are not enough. Examine instead the life of the person. How are they living? Is there integrity? Is there unification between what they teach and how they have manifested their own lives?

I personally could not allign myself with a group using the microwave and forsaking the value of organic foods, not to mention the poisons being sprayed, assuming of course they ARE poisons. They may be spraying soapy water for all I know.

But you must decide if the life of your teacher is the life you would live.

[QUOTE=InnerAthlete;5043]Shall I presume that the question at the bottom of your text is the actual question? The answer to that is yes it is their responsibility and yes it is your responsibility. You are considering the duality. Always look at your stuff to clarify. If you are expecting perfection you may very well be aggitated in whatever pasture you put out to.

Some gurus are gurus and some gurus are not. Even those who’s light is truly white light may still be standoffish as you say until the student accepts them as teacher, until the student has a level of commitment. The student changes the nature of the relationship by their level of interest or entry or acceptance.

How do we determine our teacher? How do we find the guru who is guru and avoid the one who merely looks the part? In making the determination we must look beyond what we normally see, beyond what we normally hear. Words and robes are not enough. Examine instead the life of the person. How are they living? Is there integrity? Is there unification between what they teach and how they have manifested their own lives?

I personally could not allign myself with a group using the microwave and forsaking the value of organic foods, not to mention the poisons being sprayed, assuming of course they ARE poisons. They may be spraying soapy water for all I know.

But you must decide if the life of your teacher is the life you would live.[/QUOTE]

Both of your posts are much appreciated, Nichole and IA
nichole
1,2, and 5, I dont know the answer
3, no
4. I would like someone for guidance but then again, I am sometimes too dependent on another. I cannot expect someone to tell me what my enlightenment is, i must find it for myself. I would like someone to answer questions, for instance I have a knee problem, torn meniscus, and all he said was wrap it up. Is there herbs that coudl aid in the healing, any special asanas to get energy there, etc… anytime I talk to him i get the feeling of "okay, are you done?"
in my yoga instructor previously he would answer questions, but I had questions that were beyond his knowledge and that is why I seek.

IA,
according to what I have read about ayurvedic stuff the microwave and the pest control goes against it, very strongly. I asked the man who was putting these pesticides on it if there were herbicides or something else, he did not seem to like my questions. The “swami” even said after I watered the plants that I had washed it off and asked the man, ray, to spray it again. I dont remember the name of the pesticide but when ray said the name I recognized it as a popular persticide.
as far as the duality, I have to make sure I dont put too much oh someone esle but also that I dont put too much on myself. i am responsible for what I am responsible for and that is all. Your words “I personally could not allign myself with a group using the microwave and forsaking the value of organic foods, not to mention the poisons being sprayed, assuming of course they ARE poisons.” I find comfort in them and I will continue my journey, but i think I will do it in a different location. If me and the “swami” do not mesh, because of my fault, or his fault, the bottom line is we do not seem to mesh.

thank you both
Neil

Neil,
Thank you for answering my questions. I was trying to discover what drew you to the ashram in the first place. What I hear you saying is the motivation was the pain you’re experiencing from your torn meniscus and the current need for help on how to care for your knee. Is that true?

It seems like you’re clear on the food aspects of your initial post. I am in agreement with you and IA on this point. Also, with IA’s thoughts on guru.

About your knee, Mukunda has given quite a lot of guidance on this forum regarding knee injuries and specifically meniscus damage. Search the forum (keyword [B]meniscus[/B])and see if this answers your questions. If this leaves you incomplete, you could also go to Mukunda’s website Yogatherapycenter.org : : Welcome and look under Certified SYT Therapist for someone in your area to see for a private session. This may be the connection you have been looking with regards to your other unanswered questions.

Best wishes for your day.
Namaste