Hello

I’m new to the forum.

I began doing an asana practice five years ago, then fell away from it for three years and recently began again with a renewed enthusiasm.

It has done much for my health and am grateful to have a good studio to go to.

I am unsure if I can say I truly do “Yoga,” since I am still not sure what that means. I do the asanas and I do pranayama. I accept some of the philosophy, but am a practicing Catholic, and do not accept Hindu beliefs, though I have a great respect for those of that faith and for all faiths, and strive to find common ground, and I appreciate what is good and true in all religion, and especially honor and respect those who embrace their religion in good faith.

I am striving to understand the yoga-religion connection, but there seems to be no clear answer so far.

Meanwhile, I am happy to do the parts I can accept, and enjoy going to classes, and especially enjoy doing headstands and working on handstands. I never would have thought that at 50+ I could be doing these things.

Thomas,

Enjoy what you are doing and explore your own meaning of Yoga. Resist unnecessary philosophy as much as you can, especially it is coming in the way of your practice. Very soon you will find why as this thread would be crowded by sharp-shooters who prey on the “r-” word.

This way, one day, you will not be “doing” Yoga; your whole life would be Yoga.

Thank you Suhas Tambe.

I feel a little caught in the middle, because I would like to encourage other Catholics to do yoga, but some are concerned it means to practice another religion, and therefore will not consider it.

But many of those involved in Yoga say it is not a religion, that all are welcome, and that you can make it whatever you want it to be.

But then in the actual classes, some teachers seem to be adding what seem to be elements of religion, and I had a particular teacher that was a little preachy, so it seems that sometimes the teacher brings her own religion into the class, and from my perspective that’s not respectful of others in the class who might be of a different faith. As a Catholic, if I were a teacher I would not ask my students to say an “Our Father and three Hail Marys.” That would be to impose my own beliefs on them.

However, if they intend it to be a religion, then that’s their business and right, but that should be well communicated before going to a yoga class, since most people who are beginners think of yoga as “exercise.”

For me, Yoga is a wonderful form of exercise, a way to tone and stretch, a way to feel like 30 again, and a opportunity to do cool things like headstands and other tricks. On a loftier note, the discipline of it does make me more introspective and meditative, but that leads me back to my own faith.

I have been reading Patanjali’s aphorisms, and there is much of interest to me, but again, I see it in the light of my own religion, and how so much of it corresponds to what I already believe, but I reject anything that has to do with reincarnation or that all is one.

I believe the eight limbs could most definately lead someone to leading an exemplary life, but if one is dilligently practicing Catholicism, for example, much of that ground is already covered. So I really just want the asanas.

Is that still “Yoga”?

I think those who teach yoga to people like me who come to a studio off the street need to do a better job of communicating what they are actually teaching and what to expect.

And is there anything wrong with simply stripping the asanas out of yoga and practicing just them?

If someone were to take a uniquely Catholic prayer–the Rosary–and pray it daily with no belief in Catholicism and no intention to be a Catholic, they still might find it a worthwhile endeavor that brings them peace, and though they would not be practing Catholicm, no Catholic would fault them for using a Catholic prayer as their own private devotion.

Anyway, I’m trying to understand all this and sort it out, and that’s the main reason I came to this forum–hoping some could shed some light on it.

Though I am mainly doing the asanas, may I still call that a “Yoga practice” or is that being disprespectful to the true meaning of Yoga?

Today, Yoga has become a darling of marketeers. So many, labels, brands and styles thrust upon Yoga is making it difficult for the struggling practitioners to know what Yoga really is.

It is wonderful that you are reading Yoga Sutra in which the only eligibility for Yoga is being human. Yoga Sutra has nowhere limited its exposition to any beliefs, geography or circumstance. Only the interpreters with limited calibre or vested interests have imposed any limitations. When you feel uncomfortable with concepts like reincarnation, Yoga Sutra exhorts you to look at the logical constructs that lead to the concept and also tell you not to accept it unless you experience it yourself.

Yoga Sutras do not stand validated through pre-conditions or canons, their only testimony is self-experience. That is why Yoga remains so versatile that anybody can customize it and yet remains so potent that it needs no single institution to protect it.

Yoga Sutras do not stand validated through pre-conditions or canons, their only testimony is self-experience. That is why Yoga remains so versatile that anybody can customize it and yet remains so potent that it needs no single institution to protect it.

I have seen Hindus online (and not just this forum) get very bent out of shape over the idea that Yoga can be anything other than Hinduism.

I do like the idea, though, that it can be “customized.”

Are you saying that the Sutras are not an “authority” of some kind? That they are free to be pondered, accepted, rejected, modified, etc.?

Could someone modify Yoga in such a way, or even make a Yoga school based on modifications, that enable a Christian to accept it, and could it still legitimately be called Yoga?

I never would have thought that at 50+ I could be doing these things.

    Me either!  Incredible isn't it!

Welcome to the forum. Have enjoyed your perspective on several posts.

Yoga is universal in its appeal and application. Yoga started for me, as a way to stretch, tone and relieve pain. Very soon, it became so much more and opened up a whole new world. Yoga has inched its way into every fabric of my life and being. For that I am grateful. Enjoy your practice Thomas. You’ve started an incredible journey. Enjoy the ride!

Suhas Tambe’s words are filled with much wisdom and gentleness. She is a good example of “yoga”.

Yoga Sutras is an authority but a one-of-its-kind. It has abundant courage to let the practitioner not accept it blindly. Most of the other authorities, political & religious alike, rest upon the subjects’ subjugation and instil a fear if they don’t. Yoga itself is born out of experiencing the vital truth and validated again & again by countless practitioners over hundreds and thousands of years.

So, in customizing Yoga, you are not changing it, you are finding your unique way to approach it. As you proceed, you become aware of the baggage of notions and dogmas that you carry unnecessarily; then you become aware of the source of such baggage and then you become aware of the mirage of the apparent conflicts between the beliefs you hold and what you perceive Yoga as.

Yoga transforms you, your ideas, your clinging to beliefs. But it lets you do it on your terms, at your pace. All sorts of water that we use and drink, was once pure rain-drop. We may begin Yoga anywhere, it eventually leads us to see that rain-drop in all water(s).

(PS: LG, I am “offended”, I am he! :D)

(PS: LG, I am “offended”, I am he! )

Oh my… apologies to you. I do know that, but my fingers often times don’t! So I shall rephrase what I wrote:

Suhas Tambe’s words are filled with much wisdom and gentleness. HE is a good example of “yoga”. Ah, much better! Even though I added the “s”, the sentiment was from my heart!

Most of the other authorities, political & religious alike, rest upon the subjects’ subjugation and instil a fear if they don’t.

I would have to strenuously disagree that Catholicism involves “subjugation” if you intended to include it.

I think there is much misunderstanding about the faith, and that it’s based on fear and guilt. It’s actually based on love and the purpose of the Church is to help the soul get to Heaven and enjoy God’s presence and be happy forever.

The “rules” are like a playpen. A parent puts a child in a playpen to protect him from danger and not to “subjugate” him.

I accept all that the Catholic Church teaches–every dogama and doctrine, because I believe that God speaks infallibly through the Church.

It is good to fear Hell, but that fear is just a beginning. The object is to love God and do good out of a love of God and not out of a fear of punishment, but at least that fear is someplace to start.

A man might not cheat on his wife out of fear he would be caught, be killed by his wife, contract a disease, be embarrassed, etc. His fidelity would not be for the most noble reasons, but eventually he could grow up and mature and be faithful because he loves his wife and would not want to do anything that would hurt her. Meanwhile, his fear keeps him out of trouble until higer motives take hold.

And then a marriage can be beautiful based on a mutual love and sacrifice.

And so it is with Catholicism. It’s a hard road to go because it requires much in the way of discipline and denial, but like yoga, when actually practiced, you find the beauty and love, and WANT to do it, and want to experience the union with God that Catholicism, if practiced with fidelity, brings to the believer.

But the “rules” are not negotiable in Catholocism. The Catholic may not have two wives just because he loves two women and wants that, may not use contraception just because he thinks it’s ok, may not have an abortion, may not steal, may not stay home from Mass because he wants to watch a football game, instead.

These are the “nots” but they are the walls of the playpen. Within the gigantic playpen there are many wonderful and glorious things a Catholic MAY do with the beautiful faith he’s been given. (I’m speaking as one who converted to Catholicism 16 years ago).

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;39106]Me either! Incredible isn’t it!

Welcome to the forum. Have enjoyed your perspective on several posts.

Yoga is universal in its appeal and application. Yoga started for me, as a way to stretch, tone and relieve pain. Very soon, it became so much more and opened up a whole new world. Yoga has inched its way into every fabric of my life and being. For that I am grateful. Enjoy your practice Thomas. You’ve started an incredible journey. Enjoy the ride!

Suhas Tambe’s words are filled with much wisdom and gentleness. She is a good example of “yoga”.[/QUOTE]

May I ask what part of Ohio you are from?

I travel there often. Columbus is my favorite city.

I live in Cincinnati. Nice city. Not too big, not too small. Downtown has really revitalized and is the place to go. We have many wonderful restaurants too.

I have traveled to Columbus quite often since it’s only about an hour and a half from me. My sister’s Dr is there at Ohio State Med Center (Thyroid Cancer, but a survivor) and we go up and make the day of it and sometimes stay over.

Oregon is a far piece from Columbus. Does your job take you to Ohio?

I’m self-employed and have to travel a lot to the east coast. I’m familiar with the area since I grew up in Pennsylvania.

I’ve mostly lived in rural areas, and don’t like cities that much, but like Columbus because it is a small city and the people seem to be friendly.

You must have many choices of yoga studios where you are. Where I live in rural southwest Oregon, the choices are few, though the studio I found this summer is very nice and I like it alot, but I have to drive over 30 miles to it.

There are many choices here in Cincinnati. Most of the studios and gyms only do asana. I am fortunate to teach at a wonderful studio that is very spiritual. The owner has traveled all over the world and there are pictures of Mary, Jesus on the cross, Buddha, Ganesh and much more. I teach a very spiritual class but more generic in nature. For example, we’ll talk about the yamas for a while, then I’ll read some passages from one of my favorite Buddhist books, we discuss hinduism, christianity and all kinds of things. It is a very special place for me. I don’t believe many teachers talk about spirituality. But I keep in general enough that anything I talk about can be applied to any religion. My students enjoy this.

What part of Pennsylvania did you grow up in? It is a beautiful state. I’m originally from New Jersey, very close to New York City and we’d travel the Pennsylvania turnpike through all the mountains and tunnels. As a child, I loved it!

If you like the studio and the teacher, miles don’t matter too much. To feel a connection with your teacher and the studio is important and often times hard to find. You are lucky!

I’d like to echo Gordon’s compliment in how you articulate your points. I believe it was on another thread you started. There is so much to learn and at times it can be a bit overwhelming. Like my signature quote from Thich Nhat Hanh, “Smile, breathe and go slowly.” And most of all enjoy the journey!

Sorry, I missed that you were a teacher. That’s wonderful. I went to a pranayama class at our studio, but didn’t know it was mainly for teachers in training, and after talking to a few of them can see how much they have to learn, and how much dedication they must have to do it.

Your class seems like it would be very interesting. My issue with religion in class is that sometimes it’s of one particular flavor, and from my persective that can seem to make it exclusive and not INclusive like yours seems to be. It’s very subtle sometimes, but I don’t get those vibes from the teacher I am mainly going to now.

Still–there is so much to sort out. I’m ok with things as they are, and I know enough now to pick and choose and believe or disbelieve as I see fit. But I would like to be able to lead others to doing yoga classes, and hopefully I can understand it well enough some day so that I can help remove the stumbling blocks which are very real and very valid to some.

You probably lived close to where my wife did. She’s from Perth Amboy.

I grew up and lived in various places in PA, mainly in south central PA.

My classes are always full of surprises and quite interesting. I have great dedicated students. Some travel almost as far as you do for your class. It’s the place really. It’s every yoga teachers dream. I am so fortunate.

As far as being a teacher, the learning never stops. And that’s how it should be. I do try to bring in the spiritual end as much as I can without any slant. No one has so far complained and I have many devout Catholics and Baptists. Quite an eclectic group.

I am not familiar with Perth Amboy. Is it in New Jersey? I was born in Elizabeth. It’s about 20 minutes from New York. 52 years ago it wasn’t so bad, but today it’s not a good area.

Enjoyed chatting with you! Going out with hubby for dinner at friends. Enjoy your evening!

[QUOTE=thomas;39073]

I am striving to understand the yoga-religion connection, but there seems to be no clear answer so far.

Meanwhile, I am happy to do the parts I can accept, and enjoy going to classes, and especially enjoy doing headstands and working on handstands. I never would have thought that at 50+ I could be doing these things.[/QUOTE]

Good for you. Just keep doing your yoga. The truth of yoga is in its practice…and will come to you.