How many teachers have taught you in depth about proper breathing?

I have mostly been self taught in my yoga practice going to studios only a little bit of my 10 years of practice and I have never had a teacher take the time in a class to properly give students the time and practice to work on the ujiyi breath. The best teachnique for prana or chi breathing has come from a Qi-gong book I am reading not from a studio teacher

I am just wondering if anyone else who goes to a studio has been properly taught about how to master or practice mastering the ujiyi pran breath?

I’ll try and respond to what I think you’re asking. If I miss the mark please feel free to redirect me.

I’ve been studying at the same studio for eight years. At this studio I am fortunate enough to study with an amazing teacher, perhaps one of the best in the world. I have been taught pranayama - from simple to complex. Mastery comes over decades, if it comes at all. And yet the pranayama is still effective for the student when it is practiced. So the short answer is “yes” I’ve been instructed how to breathe.

Generally speaking this was not my experience in Seattle having taken class with some 50 teachers at various studios over a five year span. Most teachers do not address pranayama. Others inadvertently “rush” students into practice ill-suited to their level of practice and physiological alignment.

Students are best served when they incorporate in-class curricula into their home practice. The mastery comes when the class elements are brought into the home practice. So when I am dedicated to regular practice of Ujjayi in my home practice then I can be more fully moved forward by my teacher in the time we spend together.

"I am just wondering if anyone else who goes to a studio has been properly taught about how to master or practice mastering the ujiyi pran breath? "

It is not something which is restricted just to the practice of something like pranayam. In most of these yoga studios, which have become popular both in the East and the West, yoga has been transmitted in ways which are absolutely irresponsible. Because while there are many teachers, there are very few masters. When I say a master, I do not mean one who has mastered a particular subject or who is a master over somebody. It simply means one who has come to know oneself, through and through. And all of these methods of yoga are just different means towards this - to come to a direct experience of your own original nature. Because the kind of people who are teaching so called yoga have not come to such an experience, it was bound to happen that what has been transmitted in the yoga studios is not yoga at all - but just a series of exercises to nourish one’s own ego. Nor have the teachers taken these techniques to their innermost depth, because every technique, if you practice it with a certain consistency, reveals something entirely different - what it appears to be outwardly is just a superficial shell. Once your awareness becomes deeper and more sensitive, certain things will enter into the doors of your perception which rarely ever enter into the awareness of the average person. So to truly become familiar with even what one technique has to offer, is something which requires tremendous discipline, effort, mindfulness, and attention. That is why in the yogic sciences it has always been the case that before a disciple would even consider transmitting any of these techniques - he will first have to settle his own situation. And if one - out of one’s own egoistic desire to assist others, tries to teach others before one is prepared, ordinarily there would be consequences for such irresponsible courses of action - which are absolutely dangerous both to oneself and others. If you yourself are carrying a sickness, if you try to assist others, you will simply help to transmit the same sickness. And our system is so complex, that if you are successful at this, you may cause severe damage to what may already be a complex situation.

Originally all of these various asanas were never taught as part of the yogic sciences, those techniques came at a much later time. But initially - most of the techniques, besides methods such as Bhakti yoga, jnana yoga, karma yoga - were largely of pranayam and meditation, it was very rare even that pranayam would be separated from meditation. But because it was observed that many people experience difficulty entering into meditation - other methods of purification of the body and mind were discovered to help this transition. So something like the uyyaji breath - even if you happen to come across a teacher who knows of how to perform the technique physically - that is not transmitting the technique in it’s fullness. All of these pranayam techniques - if they are to become instruments for transformation, have to be practiced with a certain mindfulness which is flowing throughout. The same action done unconsciously, in a mechanical way - has an absolutely different quality than one which arises out of consciousness. And without a stream of awareness flowing throughout these techniques - they are simply mechanical. Yes, there are certain benefits as far as the health of the body is concerned, which is the fundamental reason why people these days are interested in “yoga”, but that can be called physical exercise - it is not yoga. Yoga is a method for the expansion of consciousness towards the direct experience of one’s divine nature and freedom from the causes of suffering, anything else which is done in the name of yoga is just a distortion of the science.

I have had 4 teachers who give breath work the attention it needs to have a proper yoga practice.

Alternate Nostril Breathing, Bellows Breath, three part breath, etc.

One of my Yin Teachers began breath with Alternate nostril breathing, reinfoced ujayi throughout the 90 minutes occasionally during class and ended , after savasana with bellows breath, followed by dropping into meditation for 5 minutes. Those 5 minutes were the best of the entire practice, after properly doing bellows breathing, I felt the need to breathe very little.

I agree with amir most teachers I have been to especially lately do the asana purely for self inflating ego and has turned me off to that studio.

That’s good that others have been to proper studios that teach it. I have not had the pleasure of going to a really god studio as of yet. Glad to see others have had a god chance.

Anyone know of any good ones in orange county california?

Breathing has been a very important aspect of my yoga. As I have a knee recovering from surgery, breathing has really allowed me to focus on my healing. It is very meditative for me and something I would put as one of the most important aspects of yoga for me.

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I am just wondering if anyone else who goes to a studio has been properly taught about how to master or practice mastering the ujiyi pran breath?[/QUOTE]

Very few unfortunately.
Some Sivananda teachers go into detail on breath, usually in the advanced class. Iyengar pranayama class also.
The average astanga class, not usually in my experience, but this depends on the teacher.
A good class should without a doubt be teaching the student how to breathe.

Terence,

It is very easy to understand why the teachers do not go too in depth about much at all - whether it is pranayam or the physical postures. Even the asanas, there is much more to what is happening that what you see outwardly. And whether you are practicing the asanas mechanically, or with awareness, has a tremendously different impact on ones system. Every asana purifies specific nadis, channels the prana in different ways, and activates different chakras depending on the kind of asana you are practicing. But the teachers will not go too in depth into this - simply because if you start doing so, the students may loose their interest in it. Because essentially - these yoga studios exist to make business, not to assist people towards transformation. And the kind of people who are going there- are going for all kinds of reasons, most of which have little to do with spiritual growth. So to meet the demand and supply - they have to give what people want. And that is how things should function - you seek the service of something which you feel is going to be suitable according to your desires. But when it comes to the point where it is encouraging all kinds of misunderstandings about what yoga is, then it becomes dangerous to the science. It is just like teaching physics without any understanding of physics, just because you have read a book or two about it. But reading a book or two about physics does not mean you know much about physics - you will perhaps have to enter into a university for years. Even in the university - you will have to not just gather knowledge, but become involved in practical work in the laboratory and gather experience. Even after gathering experience, you will have to do some more work to verify your hypothesis. Yoga is in the same way a science, it is an inner science towards ones enlightenment. And if it is to be understood, it has to be approached as a science. So if you can understand it from this angle - then you will understand what a tremendous disservice has been done to the yogic sciences through these yoga studios. In one way - they have done something useful, they have helped people at least become aware of the physical aspects of yoga. But in a way, they have also done something terrible - they have equated it with nothing else except the physical aspect.

so it seems like some do a very good job of it but most have to make sure the students stay interested and most students will not like a teacher if all they do is teach a proper breathing technique. It is what it is I have just not enjoyed the studio that I was going to for my teacher training.

Be wary.

The Hatha Yoga Pradipika (Chapter 2, verse 15), cautions: “Just as lions, elephants, and tigers are tamed, so the prana (breath and the divine energy underlying the breath) should be kept under control. Otherwise it can kill the practitioner.”

Hindu master Sri Krishna Prem cautions: "To practice it, as many do, out of curiosity… is a mistake which is punished with futility, neurosis, or worse :o

Gopi Krishna, another yoga authority, also warns of the possible dangers of yoga practice, including “drastic effects” on the central nervous system and the possibility of death:o

Sri Chinmoy “To practice pranayama [yogic breath control] without real guidance is very dangerous. I know of three persons who have died from it.”:o

Pranayama formally is not taught in a led class format.

Breathing technique can and should be taught in asana classes.

Having said that I find there is not one single breathing method that lends itself to all asana situations. Rather a diversity of them. As much as it is useful to follow the breathe with the body in asana practice, it is equally useful to modulate the breath to allow the body to move.

Pranayama absolutely supports an asana practice.

Ive been blessed with many fantastic and varied teachers from many traditions in asana, pranayama and in meditation.

Good luck finding one there are many out there.

"and most students will not like a teacher if all they do is teach a proper breathing technique. "

Most students who are simply involved in these techniques for nourishment of their ego in the name of yoga, who have no desire at all to come to their enlightenment - for such students anything at all which deals with true yoga is going to be disliked.

And isnt it just so perfect that at some point we give up the search for the teacher to show us the way. Anyway most of the masters will be telling the same.

Then we give up giving up and just accept teachers with all limitations and baggage, ourselves included.

with all the books dvds and information out there it is amazing that people still go to studios. when all the info is right there in front of you and basically for free

discontent with the amount of pranayama that is taught in class I asked a teacher that works the front desk with me about this. She said that pranayama can be a very difficult thing to teach because many people simply can’t handle it. Her sister for example gets anxiety when she practices Ujayii.

I have since started asking the teachers that I go to if they could incoporate some form of pranayama into their classes. I like what I have seen so far from this and have learned a few things to do and a few things not to do.

If you feel that you are lacking knowledge in your practice I recommend speaking up. If anything you only stand to gain from it.