How responsible are you for changing the world?

Gandhi famously said, “Be the change that you want to see in the world” Certainly, if there is anything that I have power to change is me. I can change my habits, my thoughts and beliefs, emotions, attitudes and my health. Theoretically I can mould myself into the finest example of a human being. The example I become can then inspire others to do the same, without me making an effort to impose how I live my life on others.

But of course, so many people believe that they need to change the world and make efforts to do that. They attempt to change others beliefs, thoughts, emotions, attitudes and health. Missionaries, social activists, philanthropists, businesses, philosophers, writers, visionaries, scientists, inventors all work towards changing the world. Indeed, if it were not for many of these people, so many things may not have happened: Independence struggles, women rights movements, fight against racism and inequality, the development of science and technology. Progress in general would not be possible without the efforts of people trying to change the world.

Indeed, if it were not for people like Gandhi actively working to liberate India from British rule, would India have gained independence? I strongly need to ask myself is Gandhi really all that important, for if it was not Gandhi it could have been another person. Indeed there was not just Gandhi, but many freedom fighters since 1857 that were actively working against Indian independence. If Gandhi was not even born, then perhaps somebody else would have taken the responsibility.

If Newton had now discovered the law of gravitation, then perhaps some other physicist would have discovered the law of gravitation. If Rosa Parks did not refuse to go to the back of the bus, then perhaps somebody else would have done similar and triggered of the the liberation of the black people.

Why am I musing this? I am musing this because it seems like we give far too much credit to human beings making changes in the world, when in fact the world has been going fine without humans for billion of years. We see ourselves as ‘doers’ and separate agents from the world, but in actual fact we are part and parcel of nature. What appears to be independent action on our part, is actually what is suppose to happen at that moment in time.

In looking at the history of humanity I found something very interesting that different independent and isolated cultures around the world seem to start doing the same things at the same time! The Indians, Chinese, Greeks and Persians all of a sudden started to study philosophy roughly around the same time(what is known as the axial age of philosophy) When Alexander Grahame Bell discovered the telephone, roughly around the same time Elisa Grey in America had discovered it as well.

This is starting to make me think should we actually take any responsibility in changing the world? Should we not just leave it to nature/destiny or god or whatever? Do we really think of ourselves as so important that we can change the world?

It would be tamasic not to use all of your siddhis for uplifting of all existence… If one does not have power to help the world they can practice yoga with the intent of attaining that power and if they are genuine they will be given a boon to facilitate their desired auspicious work.

Suryas…

but in actual fact we are part and parcel of nature.

This is precisely what Buddha realised the night (with full moon) he became enlightened…

Om,

If we started using our siddhis, and by siddhis I am assuming you mean any extraordinary ability that can help the world(music, science, language, compassion etc), then aren’t we using up our own energy? The same energy that we can use to better ourselves.

I think a lot of people get caught up in wanting to do something for the world. Many aspiring yogis for example get caught up in wanting to teach, but as soon as that happens, then end up taking on many responsibilities: running ashrams, preparing lectures, tours, assisting disciples, that it takes its toll on their own practice. Another, unfortunate outcome we see as a result of this worldly engagement, is they too become wordly and start to behave like more wordly people.

I am wondering isn’t it perhaps just better to leave worldly matters to wordly people and focus on your own development? The world can sort itself out. Why take on its stresses and problems?

Aim to become enlightened first and then help the world. How can we be sure our direction is right when we haven’t attained full self realisation first. We will always be in self doubt, always wondering is this right is that right, am I right, have I missed something.

screw Ghandi:) i’m not responsible… how can one take responsibility for something he can not own and control?

[QUOTE=CityMonk;73336]screw Ghandi:) i’m not responsible… how can one take responsibility for something he can not own and control?[/QUOTE]

My sentiments exactly. At this point in time the only thing that I can control and take responsibility for is my own self; my body, mind and soul. I cannot be responsible for the children in Africa, the homeless on the street and dysfunctional families in the West, the oppressed castes in India. Moreover, as I have not really got my own life in order, I really can’t see myself improving anybody else’s life.

I also cannot change the views of people with the power of my pen. I can get involved in academic discussion forums, write articles, dissertations and books to give my viewpoint power, but what difference is that going to make without a panel to approve it and readers to read it? Even people like Deepak Chopra, a prolific writer of books on spirituality and spiritual medicine, would get nowhere if there is no audience ready for it. Gandhi would not have got anywhere if the British were not at least fair and open enough to heed him and the Indian people were not ready for independence.
Swami Vivekananda would not have received a standing ovation at the Chicago World Parliament of Religions, if the West was not ready to acknowledge other religions. Rosa Parks would not have triggered a black civil rights movements, if the black people were not fed up enough already from all the oppression they were facing.

I’ve received messages from spirit beings that made the point that if a minimal number of people reach the point where they can live according to love completely (or almost completely), this will play a key role in changing the World for the better because such people will increase the World’s overall vibratory rate in a positive way.

Such people will radiate love to others (without physical contact having to take place), such sparked people will do the same, and before you know it a game of love tag will be in place.

As a result unfriendly beings will be repelled from this World or changed for the better, and more friendly beings will be attracted. If fact, it will be easier for this World to make an energetic connection to beings who exist at a higher level of being.

It will also become easier for people to make contact with their inner selves because the World’s overall energetic level will be more supportive towards making this possible.

As a result of the above changes people will be more likely to manifest in a positive way rather than a negative way, and this will also have a positive effect.

I don’t believe it is a matter of finding a perfect system such as capitalism or socialism because as long as people haven’t changed for the better inwardly the outside will manifest accordingly.

It is important to remember that the human race is quite young when compared to other civilizations. A lot of young souls are incarnating in this World. When the proportion of mature incarnations increases it will be easier for the above scenario to take place.

I don’t believe it is a matter of whether we are responsible for how this World is. It is a matter of whether we love others enough (including mother Earth) in order to want to see the state of this World improve.

I think the spirit beings must have told a few people before you Albert, as this idea has been around for a very long time :wink:

Screw Ghandi ???..well I never thought I would ever read those two words together!
I am cringing in my socks!

I am responsible for changing the world, Very sad … I am a bad man

I believe it is good that I’m not the only person who has received such information.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;73366]I think the spirit beings must have told a few people before you Albert, as this idea has been around for a very long time ;)[/QUOTE]

There is nothing that can help the world more than your putting an end to ignorance. Then, you need not do anything in particular to help the world. Your very being is a help, action or no action. ~Nisargadatta Maharaj

There used to be a time when I was really into Maharaj. Then I reached the point where I decided that I’m not going to let anybody decide how I believe no matter how lofty such a person’s reputation is.

I understand that this World isn’t the final reality, but the suffering that exists within it “now” does in fact exist. This fact won’t go away by pretending that the World is a rope rather than a snake. I believe that eventually the Oneness will obtain perfection, but not until the beings who make up this Oneness make it perfect. If too many of these beings count their chickens before they hatch the obtainment of perfection will be delayed and many people (and other beings) will suffer accordingly.

I believe that Ghandhi provided a good example of how to do things.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;73547]There is nothing that can help the world more than your putting an end to ignorance. Then, you need not do anything in particular to help the world. Your very being is a help, action or no action. ~Nisargadatta Maharaj[/QUOTE]

screw Ghandi i’m not responsible… how can one take responsibility for something he can not own and control?


City Monk,
Why such harsh words? As a yoga teacher, do you not affect change in your students? Are you not responsible, in part, for that change?

[QUOTE=Albert Haust;73548]There used to be a time when I was really into Maharaj. Then I reached the point where I decided that I’m not going to let anybody decide how I believe no matter how lofty such a person’s reputation is.

I understand that this World isn’t the final reality, but the suffering that exists within it “now” does in fact exist. This fact won’t go away by pretending that the World is a rope rather than a snake. I believe that eventually the Oneness will obtain perfection, but not until the beings who make up this Oneness make it perfect. If too many of these beings count their chickens before they hatch the obtainment of perfection will be delayed and many people (and other beings) will suffer accordingly.

I believe that Ghandhi provided a good example of how to do things.[/QUOTE]

I have no desire or reason to believe any little brown dead guys, another truth they spoke.

[QUOTE=omnamashivaya;73296]It would be tamasic not to use all of your siddhis for uplifting of all existence… If one does not have power to help the world they can practice yoga with the intent of attaining that power and if they are genuine they will be given a boon to facilitate their desired auspicious work.[/QUOTE]
Aren’t siddhis activated by the mind to be avoided? Can’t siddhis occur without using the devilish mind? Is it possible to aid the world in its progress by waiting for those in need to ask for help? Don’t the scriptures say ask and it shall be given and doesn’t asking preceed giving to avoid karmic entanglements?