[QUOTE=The Scales;58804]All of the Bold?
Is Incorrect.
There are some other incongruities - but they are inconsequential.
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If you’re not going to explain WHY you feel something is incorrect, please don’t waste everyone’s time by making such responses.
[QUOTE=David;58845]If you’re not going to explain WHY you feel something is incorrect, please don’t waste everyone’s time by making such responses.[/QUOTE]
It’s incorrect because it’s incorrect.
Within the subtle body - the corresponding location within the physical body would be the back wall of the anus - down low.
Not ‘in’ or ‘above’ the perineum - nor up in the uterus.
The people who are wasting thier time [I]and[/I] also accruing ‘black’ karma are the ones giving out false information and those who spread it - and even those who allow it to be spread.
We are in a dark age here david. There are many pretenders roaming around who - whether they know it or not - spread false knowledge. Some of it’s good and valid - but it’s also mixed in with lots of junk. Which makes the whole thing dubious. There is so much deception in these times that when someone comes by with the truth - he is often scorned - while the false are praised.
There are also many thirsty to learn. This path is full of tripfalls. I love it when someone familiar with the path points them out.
[QUOTE=The Scales;58882]It’s incorrect because it’s incorrect.
Within the subtle body - the corresponding location within the physical body would be the back wall of the anus - down low.
Not ‘in’ or ‘above’ the perineum - nor up in the uterus.
The people who are wasting thier time [I]and[/I] also accruing ‘black’ karma are the ones giving out false information and those who spread it - and even those who allow it to be spread.
We are in a dark age here david. There are many pretenders roaming around who - whether they know it or not - spread false knowledge. Some of it’s good and valid - but it’s also mixed in with lots of junk. Which makes the whole thing dubious. There is so much deception in these times that when someone comes by with the truth - he is often scorned - while the false are praised.[/QUOTE]
The Scales,
The chakras are not in a fixed location. They will vary from person to person. And while they are specific to certain areas, because they are not “physical” in nature, there are many interpretations as to “where” they are located.
I really don’t find any glaring inconsistencies or deceptions in the article. I’m not an expert by any means, but have done quite a bit of reading on the subject not only because of yoga but also Reiki. What are we not seeing from your end?
The centers are where they are
Muladhara is where it is. ABove it is svadhistana. and so on.
This is the same from one person to the next.
And that is what I’ve stated. They are all in the same location, BUT can vary from person to person. Generally same, BUT each person’s precise location can differ slightly.
Think about it, they are spinning vortices of energy. They can’t be in the same exact location in each and every person.
Where do you get your information? And don’t be cryptic! I’m curious that’s all.
Awaken Mooladhara:
Kapalbhati Pranayama with meditative mind.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;59002]And that is what I’ve stated. They are all in the same location, BUT can vary from person to person. Generally same, BUT each person’s precise location can differ slightly.
Think about it, they are spinning vortices of energy. They can’t be in the same exact location in each and every person.
Where do you get your information? And don’t be cryptic! I’m curious that’s all.[/QUOTE]
muldadhara chakra is [I]not[/I] in the area of the perinium.
It is not above the perinium a couple inches. It is Not in the uterus.
On the pelvic floor - it is to the rear of the perinium on the back wall of the anus. THIS IS THE SAME LOCATION FOR ALL HUMANS…
Pretty much directly above it - is the area of svadhistana and so on… up the royal road.
Even if this is incongruity is only off by a couple of inches it is way off and incorrect.
In baseball the difference between a foul ball and a home run can be millimeters.
This stuff is precise. Wishy washy or imprecision should not be allowed concerning this topic.
The Scales,
I have never heard that Chakras are fixed. They’re energy vortices on the subtle plane. They are not physical. Within each person they can shift upwards of several inches depending on say, Surgery or trauma.
Yes, they are in approximately the same place and run along the spine to the head.
Where are you getting your information that they are fixed? Can you please sight references to this?
Curious to hear the OP’s take on this.
For those who believe the Chakras are fixed - Why have there been slightly different interpretations of the chakras then, from Chinese masters, Japanese Zen masters, Indian masters and The Kabbalistic Sefirot interpretation of the ‘wheels of light’, all of whom have given the world enlightened teachers? Or how about of the ancient Egyptians and Wise Men of the Aboriginal Tribes? Don’t mistake the map for the territory.
That being said. . .http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/630303-location-muladhara-adhara-chakra-according-swami-sivananda.html
“It is Not in the uterus.” No one said it was in the Uterus. I am curious, are you here to share your knowledge or muddy the water?
You can believe whatever you like.
I say it is in the anus and this is also what Goraksha says in the tracks. http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
[B] You won’t know whos really right until you have the sight and can see for yourself. [/B]
High Wolf,
“Do you know that electrifying sensation which gives you positive chills? Now is this a kundalini or what?”
It is difficult to say, as Kundalini manifests in several ways some of which may fit into your description. To test whether this is the activity of kundalini, there are ordinarily many other symptoms which are connected.
raman,
“without cleaning yourself you can not attain samadhi, and so you can not awaken your kundali power.”
That is simply the borrowed nonsense that you have imported into your mind. If you were speaking out of one’s own scientific exploration, you would not have said such a thing. If you mean by “cleaning yourself” the practice of purification of the body through kriyas, then it is not really the case. One can experience samadhi without all of those techniques of purification of the body. All of those methods were just created as aids to help the transition into meditation. One can sit immediately for meditation without all of those preperations - but one will have to deal with the same obstacles directly through the mind without the aid of the body.
As far as samadhi is concerned, it may be almost impossible to believe, but the average person has already experienced samadhi several times before - although they may not have been aware of it in the moment because they were not alert. If you are sitting in a resteraunt and a waiter walks by and drops the plates - shattering them, just from the shock for a brief moment or two, the activity of the mind has come to a cessation, and you are in a state of pure consciousness. Or, if you are entering into a forest, and you think you are safe and secluded, and suddenly you become attacked by a wild animal - again, just briefly, just from the shock the activity of the mind has become still - and you are in a state of pure awareness. Like this, there are many instances where samadhi does arise, although one fails to recognize it because one is not paying attention. Usually it happens when one is shocked spontaneously - because in such moments the mind breaks free of it’s ordinary habitual patterns. That is why in Zen, the master will strike the disciple at the right moment with the right understanding. It is not out of violence - it is to bring into your perception the same experience, and experiments have shown that millions of disciples have become enlightened through such methods.
As far as awakening of Kundalini is concerned, there are many ways besides just kriyas - some of which involve methods which are even more dangerous than the ones which are ordinarily practiced. And sometimes, without any practice, one can experience a Kundalini awakening - although it is a rare event.
Drop all of this dogmatism as to how things should be done. In the spiritual sciences, there are as many different methods and approaches as one can conceive, all a finger pointing to the moon.
“that Chakras are fixed. They’re energy vortices on the subtle plane. They are not physical.”
That is how they have often been described, but even this is inaccurate. It is true in the sense that they are not “physical” in the ordinary sense which one thinks of as physical, their workings are far more subtle. Just as a rock is gross, and it’s atoms, electrons, protons, neutrons, all are subtle - yet still physical, similarly it is the case with the physical body and it’s chakras.
As time and space are relative, what we consider to be “physical” is also relative. And what may be one kind of “physicality” on one level of existence may be a totally different kind of physicality on another level. So in a sense, it is correct to say that they are non-physical because they are quite different from what we usually think of as physical. In another sense, it is incorrect, because it is fundamentally just a different kind of physicality.
“Within the subtle body - the corresponding location within the physical body would be the back wall of the anus - down low.”
All of these various models of these energy centers - which can be found in large numbers of mystical traditions, Yoga, Tantra, Qi-gong, Sufism, Qaballah, and so on, are just that - models. They are for the purpose of skillful means. Even in the yogic traditions - there are so many different interpretations and opinions as to the anatomy of the subtle body. Some say that Ajna is indigo in colour, others say it is orange. Some have said that manipura is red, others have said it is yellow. Some have said Sahasrara is purple, some violet, some have said it is white. Some traditions say that there are 72,000 nadis flowing through the body. Other traditions have said that there are 300,000 nadis flowing through the body. In Tibetan yoga, there are only five primary chakras rather than seven. And you can go on seeing all of these differences, and if you are just dependent upon borrowed knowledge- then you will simply be confused as to what is authentic and what is just man’s imagination.
All of these different systems are just tools and techniques to help certain knowledge become more accessible to the mind. Because most of these methods are filled with symbolism. And symbols are such, that they have no meaning in themselves. It is the mind which gives them meaning. Depending on the link that you create in the mind between a symbol and an idea, different symbols will have different meanings. So all of these different models can be seen as ways to create a whole range of associations in the mind, which by themselves - they are impotent, but when impregnated with a certain power, become tools for transformation.
[QUOTE=The Scales;59040]You can believe whatever you like.
I say it is in the anus and this is also what Goraksha says in the tracks. http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
[B] You won’t know whos really right until you have the sight and can see for yourself. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thank you for providing reference to the traditionals texts. I wish more people would do this, instead of making up their own theories.
Sarva,
If it is a question of “traditional” texts, there are “traditional” texts that you can look into which state either the opposite, or something else entirely. And yes, in your traditional texts, much of it is man inventing his own theories. That is why there are so many different traditions and belief systems, each with their own understanding of things. The Charvaka’s have their own philosophy, the Advaitists have their own philosophy, the Natha’s have their own philosophy, the followers of Samkhya have their own philosophy, Buddhism has it’s own philosophy, Jainism has it’s own philosophy, Sikhism has it’s own philosophy, and each is doing so under the name of “tradition”. And you do think that in the midst of all this - much has not been simply man’s invention ?
So what is your problem?