“It is Not in the uterus.” No one said it was in the Uterus. I am curious, are you here to share your knowledge or muddy the water?
You can believe whatever you like.
I say it is in the anus and this is also what Goraksha says in the tracks. http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
[B] You won’t know whos really right until you have the sight and can see for yourself. [/B]
High Wolf,
“Do you know that electrifying sensation which gives you positive chills? Now is this a kundalini or what?”
It is difficult to say, as Kundalini manifests in several ways some of which may fit into your description. To test whether this is the activity of kundalini, there are ordinarily many other symptoms which are connected.
raman,
“without cleaning yourself you can not attain samadhi, and so you can not awaken your kundali power.”
That is simply the borrowed nonsense that you have imported into your mind. If you were speaking out of one’s own scientific exploration, you would not have said such a thing. If you mean by “cleaning yourself” the practice of purification of the body through kriyas, then it is not really the case. One can experience samadhi without all of those techniques of purification of the body. All of those methods were just created as aids to help the transition into meditation. One can sit immediately for meditation without all of those preperations - but one will have to deal with the same obstacles directly through the mind without the aid of the body.
As far as samadhi is concerned, it may be almost impossible to believe, but the average person has already experienced samadhi several times before - although they may not have been aware of it in the moment because they were not alert. If you are sitting in a resteraunt and a waiter walks by and drops the plates - shattering them, just from the shock for a brief moment or two, the activity of the mind has come to a cessation, and you are in a state of pure consciousness. Or, if you are entering into a forest, and you think you are safe and secluded, and suddenly you become attacked by a wild animal - again, just briefly, just from the shock the activity of the mind has become still - and you are in a state of pure awareness. Like this, there are many instances where samadhi does arise, although one fails to recognize it because one is not paying attention. Usually it happens when one is shocked spontaneously - because in such moments the mind breaks free of it’s ordinary habitual patterns. That is why in Zen, the master will strike the disciple at the right moment with the right understanding. It is not out of violence - it is to bring into your perception the same experience, and experiments have shown that millions of disciples have become enlightened through such methods.
As far as awakening of Kundalini is concerned, there are many ways besides just kriyas - some of which involve methods which are even more dangerous than the ones which are ordinarily practiced. And sometimes, without any practice, one can experience a Kundalini awakening - although it is a rare event.
Drop all of this dogmatism as to how things should be done. In the spiritual sciences, there are as many different methods and approaches as one can conceive, all a finger pointing to the moon.
“that Chakras are fixed. They’re energy vortices on the subtle plane. They are not physical.”
That is how they have often been described, but even this is inaccurate. It is true in the sense that they are not “physical” in the ordinary sense which one thinks of as physical, their workings are far more subtle. Just as a rock is gross, and it’s atoms, electrons, protons, neutrons, all are subtle - yet still physical, similarly it is the case with the physical body and it’s chakras.
As time and space are relative, what we consider to be “physical” is also relative. And what may be one kind of “physicality” on one level of existence may be a totally different kind of physicality on another level. So in a sense, it is correct to say that they are non-physical because they are quite different from what we usually think of as physical. In another sense, it is incorrect, because it is fundamentally just a different kind of physicality.
“Within the subtle body - the corresponding location within the physical body would be the back wall of the anus - down low.”
All of these various models of these energy centers - which can be found in large numbers of mystical traditions, Yoga, Tantra, Qi-gong, Sufism, Qaballah, and so on, are just that - models. They are for the purpose of skillful means. Even in the yogic traditions - there are so many different interpretations and opinions as to the anatomy of the subtle body. Some say that Ajna is indigo in colour, others say it is orange. Some have said that manipura is red, others have said it is yellow. Some have said Sahasrara is purple, some violet, some have said it is white. Some traditions say that there are 72,000 nadis flowing through the body. Other traditions have said that there are 300,000 nadis flowing through the body. In Tibetan yoga, there are only five primary chakras rather than seven. And you can go on seeing all of these differences, and if you are just dependent upon borrowed knowledge- then you will simply be confused as to what is authentic and what is just man’s imagination.
All of these different systems are just tools and techniques to help certain knowledge become more accessible to the mind. Because most of these methods are filled with symbolism. And symbols are such, that they have no meaning in themselves. It is the mind which gives them meaning. Depending on the link that you create in the mind between a symbol and an idea, different symbols will have different meanings. So all of these different models can be seen as ways to create a whole range of associations in the mind, which by themselves - they are impotent, but when impregnated with a certain power, become tools for transformation.
[QUOTE=The Scales;59040]You can believe whatever you like.
I say it is in the anus and this is also what Goraksha says in the tracks. http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
[B] You won’t know whos really right until you have the sight and can see for yourself. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thank you for providing reference to the traditionals texts. I wish more people would do this, instead of making up their own theories.
Sarva,
If it is a question of “traditional” texts, there are “traditional” texts that you can look into which state either the opposite, or something else entirely. And yes, in your traditional texts, much of it is man inventing his own theories. That is why there are so many different traditions and belief systems, each with their own understanding of things. The Charvaka’s have their own philosophy, the Advaitists have their own philosophy, the Natha’s have their own philosophy, the followers of Samkhya have their own philosophy, Buddhism has it’s own philosophy, Jainism has it’s own philosophy, Sikhism has it’s own philosophy, and each is doing so under the name of “tradition”. And you do think that in the midst of all this - much has not been simply man’s invention ?
So what is your problem?
I do not have a problem. I am saying that there is no absolute way of looking at things, whether it is “traditional” or otherwise.
“which by themselves - they are impotent, but when impregnated with a certain power, become tools for transformation.” YES!!!
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59181]I do not have a problem. I am saying that there is no absolute way of looking at things, whether it is “traditional” or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
This doesn’t have anything to do with what Scales/S is talking about. Its a matter of authenticity; if you are going to talk about a book/scripture, you use the right translations. Simple.
Okay, allow your Surya Deva to shine some light on this topic:
First of all I will address Amir’s point of view who is fond of talking about how different traditions say different things on the chakras. Well, sure, but the original tradition carries more weight and credibility. What is the original traditions of chakras - you guessed it: Hinduism. The oldest source we have is the Upanishads, like Yoga-Kundalini upanishad. All other traditions come later. I consider all new-age material, Kabbalah, Tai Chi, Christian Gnosticism as secondary, at the most just supplementary. As they did not independently develop these system and learned it from contact with India, their versions are likely to have errors in it. I am sticking with the original primary sources.
Secondly, you’re all wrong about the location of the chakras 
If the chakras had a location in and space we would have detected them by now. We have been able to go the level of fermions for petes sake and still we have not found chakras. This is why scientists do not take chakras seriously. Charakas are metaphysical, they are not physical, they are not in time and space, therefore they have no location. Trying to locate a chakra is as pointless as trying to find out what face you had before you were born 
According to Yoga chakras exist in the akasha as pranic transformers not actually in the physical body itself. A chakra is nothing more than a plexus of nadis and the nadis are also in the akasha. You cannot see a chakra because they are not objects that can be seen and therefore they have no colour. All colours we assign to them are purely symbolic. Now that it is established chakras have no location in the body we can look at the effects of chakras. The effects of chakras are visible to us in the endrocine system and the nervous system. The glands of the endocrine system correspond quite neatly to the chakras and their respective functions. In fact for most people the metaphysical truth of the chakras should not be important because they do not correspond to our dimension of reality, what is important is the physical manifestations of them in the endocrine and nervous system. Hatha/Kundalini Yoga is after all a physical process and it is stimulating physical glands not metaphysical glands.
Chakras are part of the subtle body and indeed cannot be viewed with the naked eye. Kundalini is mahashakti, trying to find her through dissecting a corpse is as silly as trying to find paramatma dissecting the heart muscle. (ishwara sarva bhutanam hrideshe arjuna tishtati brahmayan sarva bhutani yantra rudhani mayaya)
There was once a yogi who was a little dull minded. He found a corpse in the ganges and started dissecting it to find the chakras. After dissecting the body, he was unable to find the chakras. He lost his faith in hatha yoga and threw the pages of the Hatha Yoga Pradipika in the Ganges.
Well, sure, but the original tradition carries more weight and credibility. What is the original traditions of chakras - you guessed it: Hinduism. The oldest source we have is the Upanishads
This is simply a blind stereotype, that something is more authentic and credible because it is more ancient. This is usually done by people who are simply seeking to give their beliefs a certain seal of approval, of which nothing can be better other then an ancient seal of approval. Something is not right or wrong on the basis of its age, but on the basis of its truth, time is not really relevant - a truth is always timeless. Even if a most ancient scripture has made an observation - it can be confirmed again and and again. But in so many traditions - there are so many different perspectives on the matter, as many perspectives as there are individuals.
Something that is essential to understand is that what is important in the spiritual process is not what is true or not true, but whether something is effective or ineffective. You can think of these chakras in whatever way that you want - but the fact remains that through concentration upon the chakras, certain effects follow. Whether there are 72,000 nadis or 300,000 nadis, the rest is all irrelevant.
All colours we assign to them are purely symbolic
Different traditions will disagree with this, although I prefer to see it in that way for the simple reason that you can choose whatever model you want - whether Ajna is orange or indigo, and find that both work just as well. Whether you are chanting in Sanskrit or chanting in Hebrew, then too you will find that - whether there is a certain inner atmosphere, they work just as well. But there are traditions which have declared that the correspondences to the chakras are objective facts, because the colors associated with the chakras, as well as their form, are not just symbolic. They were discovered in deep meditation through their inner vision. The same is the case with the mantras, they were never originally spoken. They were heard deep in meditation. And in fact there is a whole science in yoga, nada yoga, which explores into this dimension.
the chakras had a location in and space we would have detected them by now
If they did not have any correspondence to time or space, they would not even exist. Because other than the source of existence itself, there is nothing which is not of time and space. Time and space being relative, what may be one kind of time and one kind of space on one level of existence may be another type of time and another type of space on another level of existence, but still time and space have not disappeared.
This is simply a blind stereotype, that something is more authentic and credible because it is more ancient. This is usually done by people who are simply seeking to give their beliefs a certain seal of approval, of which nothing can be better other then an ancient seal of approval. Something is not right or wrong on the basis of it
s age, but on the basis of its truth, time is not really relevant - a truth is always timeless. Even if a most ancient scripture has made an observation - it can be confirmed again and and again. But in so many traditions - there are so many different perspectives on the matter, as many perspectives as there are individuals.
These other traditions you mention have second hard, third hand or fourth hand knowledge. They all learned their knowledge from contact with the Yoga tradition in India, they had no Yoga tradition of their own. So obviously they are not as credible and carry as much weight as the Yoga tradition
Yoga > Kabbalh + Sufism etc
These other traditions did not become as developed as Yoga because they were considered heresies in their societies. They were persecuted and driven out. On the other hand, Yoga was openly encouraged in India and was orthodox. Hence why Yoga developed to the level of a science in India, whereas in other parts of the world spiritual traditions did not get pass mysticism and mythology.
An intelligent person knows that one should learn directly from primary sources not secondary or tertiary sources. If Kabbalh and Sufism etc is as good as Yoga then where are their equivalent of the Yoga Sutras?
Different traditions will disagree with this, although I prefer to see it in that way for the simple reason that you can choose whatever model you want - whether Ajna is orange or indigo, and find that both work just as well. Whether you are chanting in Sanskrit or chanting in Hebrew, then too you will find that - whether there is a certain inner atmosphere, they work just as well. But there are traditions which have declared that the correspondences to the chakras are objective facts, because the colors associated with the chakras, as well as their form, are not just symbolic. They were discovered in deep meditation through their inner vision. The same is the case with the mantras, they were never originally spoken. They were heard deep in meditation. And in fact there is a whole science in yoga, nada yoga, which explores into this dimension.
While chakras do not have colours because colours are nothing more than electromagnetic radiation and electromagnetic radiation is a physical substance, they do have vibrational frequencies(Hence Nada yoga) and thus they have corresponding sounds. This is why if you chant the Sanskrit beej mantras they vibrate the part of the body where the chakra they correspond to is manifested. Like AUM will vibrate the ajana and Ham will vibrate the vishuda. These sounds have been carefuly observed by yogis to have scientific properties to vibrate the respective body. It is very similar to asanas and kriyas in Hatha Yoga, they stimulate parts of the body by stimulating physical glands etc, whereas Nada yoga vibrates the physical glands through sounds.
You cannot just use any sound. The sound has to be a certain frequency in order to vibrate the chakras. Hebrew sounds are not equivalent at all.
If they did not have any correspondence to time or space, they would not even exist. Because other than the source of existence itself, there is nothing which is not of time and space. Time and space being relative, what may be one kind of time and one kind of space on one level of existence may be another type of time and another type of space on another level of existence, but still time and space have not disappeared.
Space and time refers to only physical matter. It has no existence beyond physical matter. There is no space and time in the quantum world for example and this has been empirically proven by the test of the Bell inequalities.
The quantum is basically the akasha of Yoga where the nadis, chakras and prana currents flow. What we know to be quantum entanglements are basically pranic circuits. The body corresponds to very sophisticated pranic circuits, a level of sophisticated quantum physics will struggle to recreate for probably another century or two.
Surya,
These other traditions you mention have second hard, third hand or fourth hand knowledge. They all learned their knowledge from contact with the Yoga tradition
I was not speaking of those other traditions, I was speaking traditions within the yogic sciences themselves.
You think nose gazing might also help in the foundational stuff like family
http://www.adishakti.org/subtle_system/mooladhara_chakra.htm
http://www.sahajayoga.ca/Presentation/Mooladhara.html
[QUOTE=The Scales;59010]muldadhara chakra is [I]not[/I] in the area of the perinium.
It is not above the perinium a couple inches. It is Not in the uterus.
On the pelvic floor - it is to the rear of the perinium on the back wall of the anus. THIS IS THE SAME LOCATION FOR ALL HUMANS…
Pretty much directly above it - is the area of svadhistana and so on… up the royal road.
Even if this is incongruity is only off by a couple of inches it is way off and incorrect.
In baseball the difference between a foul ball and a home run can be millimeters.
This stuff is precise. Wishy washy or imprecision should not be allowed concerning this topic.[/QUOTE]
Yes we cannot afford to be not precise.