[I]?I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It’s a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life’s realities.?[/I] :: Dr. Seuss
Me too!
*nichole
Hi Nichole,
?I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It’s a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life’s realities.? :: Dr. Seuss
Me too!
*nichole
but I am making sense. You see a discerning post of mine and five seconds later, instead of addressing me directly, you quote some stuff about nonsense. Like it had nothing to do with me.
With your attempt to ridicule me, you’re prooving what I just said, and I should thank you. But I don’t like hypocrisy, so I don’t thank you, but suggest you take this “wonderful opportunity” to question yourself.
with all honest sincerity, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or really who you are as a member here. i have simply logged on this morning to add a happy quote from an author whom i have adored since my childhood. i add quotes to the poetry forum very regularly – feel free to have your ruffled ego verify this by looking.
Hi Nichole,
with all honest sincerity, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or really who you are as a member here.
with all honest sincerity: I am not buying it.
i have simply logged on this morning to add a happy quote from an author whom i have adored since my childhood. i add quotes to the poetry forum very regularly – feel free to have your ego verify this by looking.
Yes, I know who you are as a member, but my ego must insist that it’d be way too much of a coincidence that you post this exceptional quote 5 seconds after my post.
[QUOTE=Quetzalcoatl;30674]Hi Nichole,
with all honest sincerity: I am not buying it.
Yes, I know who you are as a member, but my ego must insist that it’d be way too much of a coincidence that you post this exceptional quote 5 seconds after my post. :)[/QUOTE]
Hi Quetzalcoatl,
No sure if serious
Best Wishes,
Lencho…
Q: It seems to me, though I may be incorrect, that this is a simple matter of unfortunate timing regarding when I posted this quote, and a presumption that it was connected in some way to your other posts on this forum. This should be easy enough to clear up. And, yes, I understand that you have suggested that I am both dishonest and a hypocrite in your last post, which likely renders this post of mine useless in convincing you otherwise, but I would like to speak on my own behalf here because I truly do give my best in efforts in life to live honesty and with self-study – these help with dishonesty and hypocrisy.
It is true, whether you accept it or not, that I do like nonsense, as it does shake up my mind’s routine and it is fun. I really like to day dream and I do feel that fantasy is important for a happy mind. I also honestly enjoy a chance to see things from a different point of view – as I am even trying to do now with you – because it does make my life better and richer. It makes all of my relationships more substantial, even yours and mine, and it gives me more to laugh at, namely my own follies, but I love to laugh with my friends about their follies too. I also love Dr. Suess and have heaps of his books and drawings – I share them with my family because they are great tools of play and learning. Dr. Suess really got Yoga!
It seems you and have gotten our wires crossed here, but I am hoping that they don’t have to stay this way.
Your own,
Nichole
Nichole,
I’m pretty sure that poster is a troll. (s)he seems to stir the drama in every thread. I would neg it if I could but apparently reps are not part of this forum.
Thanks,
Lencho…
Ok, let me see if I can 'splain it, Nichole. Quetzalcoatl has accused you of covertly responding to his post, which is nonsense! Get it? It’s pure fantasy, or perhaps he’s been hitting the hashpipe a little too hard. Obviously he’s quite proud of his literary efforts in the other thread (and rightfully so), and wants to call attention to it. Rather juvenile, but not incomprehensible.
well nichole, you said you like nonsense and immediately you got it. Ironic
Hahah. Touche’
hi nichole,
your quotation was cute and childlike and there was no need to hype it but then there are just people who dont appreciate simple things in life. i am sure you will always greet the day with a happy heart and a smile on that face. keep up the quotations and we will continue reading. Om Shanti Om!
Hello other threadparticipants,
look: I mocked this whole community and actually the whole so called “yogic” movement of the western world with my post here. How dare I. :rolleyes:
An instant later, a post appears with a quotation about how to deal with nonsense. Yes, it might be a coincidence, people even get hit by flashes and win the lottery. But it’s neither nonsense, nor the fantasy of a juvenile drug-addict to assume a correlation, because it is a very expectable and regular response to react to critcism with “it’s all nonsense!!”.
So if you guys have something a little more insightful to share, I’ll happily read and respond to it, otherwise you unfortunately have to visualize me mildly smiling about your affirmation of my impression.
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Edited PS@Nichole:
There is something missing between my
“Finally” (which is actually somewhat a beginning):
and
No, it mustn’t.
in the following post. I wanted to insert it later, it’s your:
It seems you and have gotten our wires crossed here, but I am hoping that they don’t have to stay this way.
I don’t edit that post because it’s pretty much exactly the top-length allowed for a post.
Hi Nichole,
well, as I just said and said before and as you say too: If you had not read my posts before you posted your nonsense-quotation, it is indeed a remarkable example of unfortunate timing. Particularly due to my already “not-so-good” opinion of this community and my prediction that people - at best - will come up with some sweet words full of understanding for the alleged immature guy who dares to falsly critizise the accomplished Yogi/nis, there indeed is no way for you to convince me that there is no correlation.
So all I can do here is telling you that I truly believe what I am saying and that I’m not about brainlessly insulting people, and if there was a way for you to convince me of yourself being truthful, I would indeed be sorry. Not overly ashamed, though, since my “conclusion” is so nearby. It’d be some sort of accident then.
However, to point that out, I have no problem with that quotation itself. It’s fine, I agree with it, as long as the nonsense isn’t (potentially) harmful. Assuming you had addressed it at me, the things I dislike about that (= addressing it at me) are:
I hope that’s understood now, if not, I wouldn’t know how to further explain myself.
“Finally” (which is actually somewhat a beginning):
No, it mustn’t. But I won’t stop my criticism. I could be banned, something I wouldn’t mind. A neater solution of problematic me would though be to simply enter a discussion about my criticism. The persons I dared to critice choose to ignore me, but of course - irony again - they’re not at all responsible for anything, cuz every1 is an island and only responsible for themselves. 
Will you do that? Discuss my criticism? It all makes sense, from my viewpoint, but who knows, maybe I missed to consider some aspects and it all could be resolved easily. But people pertinaciously ignoring me point to another explantion: That I’m right and that they don’t wish to make that even more obvious. The problem with you potentially discussing my criticism is, that I point at individuals. I say “this guy is doing this and that, and for these reasons, I think it is hypocrisy”. You might not want to do such a thing. Hm. Maybe I can picture a behaviour without naming the persons who behave that way, though we all know who I am talking about, and you can comment on that? Do as you wish:
Let’s say there is Yoga-teacher who continously states that learning Yoga without the personal guidance of a teacher, but only via books, videos and the options of the internet, is not only impossible, but will even lead to mistakes, that have to be unlearned and most probably to severe injuries. A fine example is this thread, but you find this over and over again, which is very discouraging and casts those “shadows of doubt”. I cannot have a teacher, because the one closest by is so far away, that I’d have to leave the house for more than 3 hours, which is impossible right now. So I am in that indeed unfortunate position to have to learn and practice on my own. If I’d buy these allegations, I would have stopped my practice months ago, if I had been aware of them, never picked up the practice. Unthinkable, when I see the awesome effects my daily Asana-sessions have on me.
But the problem here isn’t actually that statement. I disagree, but I can accept the standpoint, sure it is more probable to do something wrong if you are a beginner on your own. But the same Yoga-teacher says things like people have to be encouraged and they have to supported on their way. That, in my perception, is hypocrisy or at least foolery, because it does not encourage to be threatened all the time. Much more hypocritical I find that the one who thinks that you cannot learn Yoga without the personal guidance of a teacher, who is in the room and looking over one’s practices, gives guidance over the internet, here on this forum. If that is so dangerous, I don’t understand why he spends such a lot of time doing what he declines so passionately. And not only does he teach the impossible, he even does therapy via a forum. Someone with severe injuries or other health-issues can write a few sentences about their problems, and receives treatment. 
And five minutes later again the litany about how even people in perfect health won’t learn some Asanas via a compendium of books and videos created by the greatest masters alive, that (the media) have proven to work millions of times.
It’s like you’d think that laying cables on your own is dangerous (which it is) and cannot be done without a cable-laying-master’s personal guidance - and then you tell people how to lay cables via a forum, after having read one post by them with no way to judge how smart and reasonable they are. So if that was my opinion, I’d do anything but act against it on a daily base. I still could be present in forums, for example with discussing the theory, particularly the scriptures. But if someone would asked me about an Asana I’d say: No sorry, that is too dangerous and I can’t be involved with potentially hurting you, please find a teacher to guide you.
Outside idiocy I can think of only one explanation for such contradictory behaviour: If you put links to your commercial websites in your forum-signature, it’s a neat way to advertise and thereby make yourself known and thereby: Money money money.
Do you have another one?
Next thing: A Yoga teacher moans about how Yoga is watered down by so many Yoga teachers and abused for other purposes than it’s intended for. He also claims to be one of the best Yoga-teachers in the whole world. What kind of Yoga does he offer? Yoga for NASCAR-drivers, football- and basketball-players, alltogether athlets of the violent multi-million-dollar sport industry. Is that the purpose of Yoga? The Yoga Sutras at least mention nothing of that. The same counts for using Yoga for therapy to recover from injuries or to cure other health-problems. That is not what Yoga is intended for too. I’m not saying using Yoga for such purposes is wrong, it’s just a contradiction and therefore again hypocrisy to moan about abuse, claiming to represent the real deal, and then not doing so. It’s also simply a lie and some sort of slander, as other Yoga teachers are accused of something that is allegedly wrong or at least deplorable.
Can you explain that?
And I give you one more thing to not overblow you (which I probably already did): Every day I read on this forum how super tolerant everbody is, how they accept others, no matter where they stand and how evolved they are. Right? You read it all the time. But when these claims are taken to the test, for example right here in this thread, where - let’s say - an unevolved idiot doesn’t know better, they fail to live up to their standards. As long as you’re in line, they do, they tolerate you. Why wouldn’t they. But just step outside the customs with half a foot and you’ll see what that tolerance really is worth: Nothing. I mean, I really don’t mind, and it’s the reaction of regular people, but it’s even insinuated that I am a drug addict. Some idiot, a troll, someone who should just fuck the hell off. Again: In this case a normal reaction to my provocations, that I itself don’t criticise, questionable it only is that it’s performed by a community that pictures itself as breathing tolerance and openness and acceptance of everybody. Also, that it came this far with evil me is because I have been ignored with my issues for months. It started when I held the view that pain is a normal aspect of an Asana-practice. I was informed that the conversation was over and that an Asana-practice that involves pain isn’t Yoga. No explanation, no argumentation, not pages of quotations of some of the greates living Yoga-masters backing up my viewpoint made a difference. I was like “wtf??!?!?”. Same thing recently with Sunyuting by Pandara, he stated some indeed questionable stuff, but was he enlightened in a positive way? Nope, he was accused and rebuked and threatened (to hurt himself more than others) - and nothing more. I remember a thread of a girl (or woman) from China, she linked an article by some Yoga-teacher who “confessed” to be non-vegetarian. That girl from China then made a list of unyogic things she does. God, was she attacked, here is the thread, her words were turned around in her mouth (charliedharma) and our awesome knower of scriptures, Asuri, even suggested pointlessly that she was lying about her location. Bah bah bah, I was so disgusted. That was pure rudeness and she was understandably pissed; she never posted on this forum again. If you look closely, you also find someone moaning about Yoga, not having much Yoga in it and several times the claim of being oh-so-ultra-super-tolerant, in my head appeared in big glowing letters the word: HYPOCRITE; really a must-read-thread to understand my criticism of this community.
What kind of tolerance is it, that only tolerates like-minded people? None.
So what’s up, get my point? Are these hallucinations or do you find some truth in here? And I could go on for hours, the alcoholism-thing recently, pulled of by a “healer”, immodestly claiming to be one great addition to this forum: Oh my god, how can one be so tasteless and ignorant.
But I gotta go now. 
Hiya Q,
I’m not sure where your post is where you mocked the yogic movement in the west, but I’m well known to call some aspects of it BS, myself. And I’m totally with you on the correlation you speak of. Where you lost me is after Nichole made a rather sincere attempt to affirm that it was just a coincidence, you continued on with your conspiracy theory. And that, is, well, nonsense. And ironic.
With that said, don’t take it personally. I’m so full of BS and nonsense that I would have been Dr Seuss’s best friend.
edit Found your “discerning post”. And in my opinion, it is not nonsense.
Hi David, I linked the post in my first post of this thread. However, I’m not angry about anything, but my son is on my back so I must go now.
Hiya Q,
As I edited in my post above, I found it, and, as I mentioned, I don’t think it’s nonsense. Nor did I accuse you of being angry. I actually agree with some of your statements, including:
And I give you one more thing to not overblow you (which I probably already did): Every day I read on this forum how super tolerant everbody is, how they accept others, no matter where they stand and how evolved they are. Right? You read it all the time. But when these claims are taken to the test, for example right here in this thread, where - let’s say - an unevolved idiot doesn’t know better, they fail to live up to their standards. As long as you’re in line, they do, they tolerate you.
Make absolutely no mistake, this is something that, especially as the owner of this forum, I have to deal with a LOT. I am forever getting PM’s from people who are upset with what someone on this forum said. As the person with the power to ban, where do I draw the line of acceptance? I consider myself extremely accepting, but if someone threatens another with physical violence, do I let them continue? I can see both sides of the coin. Do I accept the person who is threatening violence knowing that they’re simply someone who might be in pain, who is traumatized, who is coming from ego, etc? Or do I accept the person who feels threatened who is coming from a place of fear?
Do I accept you, a person who is obviously full of passion and has taken many steps back to evaluate what he sees going on and isn’t afraid to single people out? Or do I accept the person who you’re focusing on who gets their feelings hurt for various reasons or might feel threatened by you for other reasons?
Or do I accept everyone, do nothing, grab some popcorn, and see how things play out?
What would you do in my position? How, based upon your understanding of yoga, would you proceed?
Quetzalcoatl, even if you did mock the whole yoga community, I really don’t think a lot of people care that much. I know I don’t… I am pretty sure that most yoga people know that not EVERYONE is gonna understand, agree with, or like yoga. And that’s ok. This world would be pretty boring if we were all clones of one another.
For the record, I would like to say that I have not asked David (the owner, administrator and sole moderator of this forum) to ban Quetzalcoatl, or to moderate his membership, or to edit his posts and contributions in any way.
Q: I am hosting a gathering for husband’s birthday in our home today, so I’m just checking in real quickly now. I’ll take some time to read your recent post in this thread more thoroughly over the next few days, though I am presently unsure if I will have much to add to your invited discussion. I simply may continue to have nothing to say about it, or have much of an opinion about what you’ve added, which doesn’t mean that I haven’t read it or considered what you’ve shared. I am also considering too that it may, or may not, be wasted effort on my part to accept an invitation for discussion by a person who thinks me dishonest and covert in my actions. Honestly, this situation is just not that provoking, or demanding of an investment of time and effort from me; even though the lack of harmony between you and me is not my ideal way to be with another person.
I used to be on the forum quite a bit when I volunteered as administrator here, but now I log on here and there to take quick peeks for threads that pique my interest to add to – not all do, nor do I have time to read and add to them all, as I work and have a family. Your recent post in another thread, with regards to Pandara has caught my eye, but I haven’t been drawn to read the entire thread thoroughly, or to participate in it. I now see through your profile that I haven’t added to, or read, most threads you have been a contributor to. As I stated before, I really don’t know you well as a member here, and it is the last few days that I am becoming curious and taking more notice.
My real quick log-on has lingered, so I am going to scoot now. More soon, as I am called to.
I hope you enjoy your day with your son.
Your own,
Nichole
ps Q: Are you familiar with Dr. Suess’s writings? He is a wild and crazy guy! My take on the quote that I add as the original post to be encouraging nonsense as a playful part of our lives, not as a means to “deal” with, or to mitigate nonsense. The quote is not critical of nonsense, but rather it invites it as way to bring more opportunities for laughter in our lives.
this thread on nonsense is the hottest thread on the forum, thats just nonsense if you ask me
there were a couple guys looking up at a flag, one guy says the flag is moving, the other guy said the air is moving, the master walks by and says, it is your mind thats moving
Does the above relate to this topic? Or have I added nonsense to the nonsense
[QUOTE=David;30730]Hiya Q,
Or do I accept everyone, do nothing, grab some popcorn, and see how things play out?
What would you do in my position? How, based upon your understanding of yoga, would you proceed?[/QUOTE]
Tough call
I can see the popcorn as a valid option, however if someone is suffering and a particular topic sets them off, then out of compassion it may be time to put out a flame for them. some people I would send a message back to them, like in this case nichole, stating something like “if you know what you meant when you wrote what you wrote, you dont have to prove it to him, you can look at this as an oppurtunity to let go and surrender to others opinion of you”
this thread is quite ironic, sorry nichole but I am laughing at the irony of it.
