Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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Dear Group Members,

I want to share an article with you. This is about the link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Thank you,
Sushil Yadav

Please note : The article has been written in short sentences rather than paragraph-form because it is about subjective experience / emotion/ reduction of thought.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Yours Sincerely,
Sushil Yadav

Please note :
Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.

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Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does’nt exist. It is almost zero.

Material things don’t bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy.

Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.

Think Positive.

Psychologists say – Think Positive.
Politicians say ? Think Positive.
Economists say ? Think Positive.
Scientists say ? Think Positive.
Everyone says ? Think Positive.

Arctic ice is melting ? Glaciers are melting ? Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.

Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.

Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.

There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.

Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.

Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.

This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment ? and people are thinking positive.

Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world ? and people will still be thinking positive.

They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.

There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

We can never save the environment by doing something.

It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human speciesis going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

And it is not Mild Overactivity ? It is Excessive Overactivity ? Exponential Overactivity.

We cannot save the environment by doing something.

We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.

If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.

The Illogical Logic of Man.

A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
They say birds are a threat to humans.

Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
They said cows are a threat to humans.

Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.

It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence ? and can kill millions more any time in future.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.

It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.

Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species ? polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.

In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.

Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.

The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.

Please note :

If you indulge in Factory Farming ? If you torture the birds ? confine millions of them in prison like conditions ? depriving them of Sunlight and the freedom to walk and fly ? you are creating an environment for the spread of virus and disease.

Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.

We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.

Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.

Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less ? being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires ? always wanting more.

Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.

Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.

Industrial Societies can never be sustainable ? When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.

The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.

There was a time when Man used to say ?

I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.

Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery ??? The list is endless.

Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.

The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.

There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.

Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.

Destroy Shopping Culture.

Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.

sushil_yadav

Hi, I am just 17 so i might not realize somethign yet but a few things about your post bother me.

You say that all the technology doesnt make us happy but dipressed. Are you saying people in ancient times were happier or less dipressed? I find it hard to belive. It is not technology it is how some people use it. Internet can be used to communicate with the whole world is that a bad thing? TV can be used to give visuals for things that some people would never otherwise see. Airplanes are not only used to bomb but to get to other parts of the world.

I can argue every point but basicly what you mean is that we should be like animals. Hunt, eat, sleep, hunt, eat, sleep. What is the point in living then? Why would you want to be purely emotional, how can we expirience emotion without understanding anything?

Dear friends,

I want to thank everyone for reading the article.

Krot11230 - Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does’nt exist. It is almost zero.

All ecosystems are getting destroyed. We would need several planets[earths] to sustain the present consumerist liestyle.

Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.

I have made some additions to the article “Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment”. To read the modified article please follow either of these links :

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sushil_yadav

mankind may have to destroy the earth to learn a spiritual lesson. This is not the only earth, only life, only experience. Is destroying the earth right, no, but is it necesarry, maybe

I am forwarding this to my Yogi/friend/mentor. He has said some things very similiar to me and I think would appreciate reading this - if he has not already. I believe I will have to reread it several times to fully digest the contents properly. In the meantime, one thing that stood out was the idea of slowing down the mind. Although I do believe emotions can be productive / wonderful addition to life - I do not think we should base our decisions on pure emotion/s. Too many times emotions will lead down the wrong path, because they are instinctual. Jealousy, anger, fear, lust, greed are all emotions - yet they are at the very root of painful discovery.

Thank you again for the post.

deZengo,

I want to thank you for sharing the article with your friend. I would like to make a clarification about emotions.

In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today’s fast society.

Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.

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sushil_yadav

I appreciate your simplified explanation of emotional choices. I am still in my infancy of my emotional development. It was the loss of love through divorce and cancer before I began an honest examination and exploration of my “self.” I work to rid myself of useless emotions (which I consider pretty much the same as you described for the “easy emotions.” But wisdom and discernment are needed in all decisions and paths. I believe it is now, that I am able to understand that the “love” that I thought I had for my husband, in truth, is not what I now understand “love” to be. Amazing how it all changes - with father time!
Either way, emotions were one of my targeted weak areas and I appreciate the simpleness of truth. Where one advances another struggles – that is why communication is essential to advance us all.

I have to agree with tubeseeker: we live in Kali Yuga.

That’s our karma, that’s our dharma. Not by hasard, they say - but becouse we need to live these times and these events.

with all due respect, can I ask what it is that you hope to gain from this posting, is it that we all turn from industrial socioty?

I will read the article when time permits.
In the meantime I’d like to point out a bit of Netiquette. That is, some parameters for internet play that may not be so obvious.

  1. someone is hosting this forum. Forum hosting does not come without it’s costs.

  2. data size of the forum itself may be a determining factor in a) it’s cost to the host and b) it’s performance as a technology tool.

  3. That is one very long posting and the medium we are using (the web) is not identical to print. Therefore the publication framework is slightly different.

So it would be more considerate to post a link to the document and store it elsewhere. If that itself is an issue simply inquire and I am sure someone would step forward and place the document on a server where it can be downloaded by whomever wants it.

IA, it seems like he/she is consuming a bit too much :wink:
With all due respect I find some hypocrisy in the original post.
She/He seems upset at our consumerist society but yet uses computers, the web, electric and probably countless other consumerables but yet wants us to carry more of this burden then him/herself. I posted my remark about the original post and got no respone by the original poster, was that because it was of a different opinion?. My advice, unsolicited, would be for yadav to leave all the cosumerables behind first, and by leading by example, rather then words, others may follow. It is unfair to put more pressure on others then you put on yourself, if you cannot do it then you cant expect others to

That is an intersting perspective.
There may be some hyposcrasy, there may not. We do not know why the OP has yet to weigh in with your comment. It could be a power outage. It could be a sick relative. We simply do not know. And thus we should not assume it is for one reason ovre another.

As far as consumerables go and the op’s use of them while admonishing their use (if that is what he is doing) it is appropriate to have that which is necessary for one’s dharma (in the yogic not religious context). Nothing more. Nothing less. And since our individual dharmas - not the collective or universal dharma - are not the same, this person may need these things and may simply be sharing something from his own experience that might help others with their dharma path.

Again we don’t know. It could just be hypocrasy as sometimes the rose is just a rose, no?

For example Bill Gates, it may be his dharma to do what he’s done and so for him the use of technology items was and is critical. For me as a yogi, assuming that is my dharma, I do not need 60 trillion dollars nor do I need a PC (I use a Mac hehehe).

Some times we push away things like money with the rationale that we can’t be spiritual if we have money. But in this society we must feed ourselve and our families. And so to earn and make enough (for sharma) is appropriate. It’s in the proper context.

[QUOTE=tubeseeker;3712]IA, it seems like he/she is consuming a bit too much :wink:
With all due respect I find some hypocrisy in the original post.
She/He seems upset at our consumerist society but yet uses computers, the web, electric and probably countless other consumerables but yet wants us to carry more of this burden then him/herself. I posted my remark about the original post and got no respone by the original poster, was that because it was of a different opinion?. My advice, unsolicited, would be for yadav to leave all the cosumerables behind first, and by leading by example, rather then words, others may follow. It is unfair to put more pressure on others then you put on yourself, if you cannot do it then you cant expect others to[/QUOTE]

[quote=tubeseeker;3712]IA, it seems like he/she is consuming a bit too much :wink:
With all due respect I find some hypocrisy in the original post.
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Two buddhist monks walked the road, a young and an old one. When they reached a river, there was a beautiful young lady standing there, afraid to cross, reasoning she might get wet. The young monk immediatly took her in his arms, and took her across the river, than the two monks continued their journey. After a few miles, the old monk could not help himself, and bursted out : How could you do that ? You know we can’t touch women !
The young one, surprised, answered: My brother, I left that woman on the riverside. Obviously, you did not.

PS.

His mistake is that he’s like crying out in the desert. He is well intentioned but he’s emotion of dispair carried him away. God has His plan, and we must trust Him. Of course he, the poster might be one of the ways God wants to attract our attention. His post ceirtanly made me think, some of his thoughts I was having them myself.
There is too much effort put into his post, or essay or proclamation or call it whatever you’d like to disregard it with a simple why does he type on a computer if he’s against industrial society ?
An example: I say, practicing silence is one of the best ways to control your verbal impulses and avoid alot of errors we usually make by speaking. Would you say to me why don’t I shut up than ? The same rudeness is to question him because of the tools he uses. As much I read, he does not say we go back to the stone age. (but we might just as well get there anyway) He just said, slow down. Maybe he was apocaliptic, also. He got carried away. But his points are mostly correct.

Your mistake is not seeking for the real reason of your frustration. Obviously he touched something in you, maybe you are too attached to your lifestyle made possible by the industrial society he damnes ?

My mistake is to point out your mistakes … you see now how cryticism just never ends end gets only worse ? Insetead of reading his post, and finding some small thing I could really change in my own life, I am pointing out your and his mistakes. Because I felt embarassed by how easily you disregarded him by a few one lined posts.

As an end, this little example shows how much better is to see the good side of things. Than we can avoid a lot of useless talking and quarreling, remorses like I feel now. But … I do not delete my post. As a penance. :slight_smile:

in your response there are some points you make about my reasoning I feel are valid, but there are other points I do not see that way. So as to not turn this into a who is right and wrong type of thing, because it does not really matter so much, I will let it be as it is.

I thought the parable was pretty cool, as when I used to read the bible I always liked the parables.
and the journey continues,
seeker

[QUOTE=tubeseeker;3712]IA, it seems like he/she is consuming a bit too much :wink:
With all due respect I find some hypocrisy in the original post.
She/He seems upset at our consumerist society but yet uses computers, the web, electric and probably countless other consumerables but yet wants us to carry more of this burden then him/herself. I posted my remark about the original post and got no respone by the original poster, was that because it was of a different opinion?. My advice, unsolicited, would be for yadav to leave all the cosumerables behind first, and by leading by example, rather then words, others may follow. It is unfair to put more pressure on others then you put on yourself, if you cannot do it then you cant expect others to[/QUOTE]

Mr. Expert Opinion,

I am not using the computer for fun, business, promoting technology, or making money.

I am using it for a cause - for saving environment.

If the environment were not getting destroyed at an alarming rate I would not need the computer for spreading my message/ article.

You seem to have no concern/ compassion for environment.

Why do you breathe the Air?
Why do you drink the Water?
Why do you eat the food that comes from soil?

Why don’t you have computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

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sushil_yadav

I appologize yadav for focusing solely on the negative. I do believe in my first post of this happening may be necessary for us and our spirits/souls to experience.

I found this quote to be of interest

"There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work - ie, agriculture-based societies - And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies"
maybe that is why the janitor at my school is one of the most mellow people there.

Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most [ more than
99% ] of the consumer goods we are making today.
The large majority of society would not do this, so what are some other more feasible suggestions that could help things out?

I watched the Al Gore movie, An inconvenient Truth, it seems as if these things will come to fruition very soon, as some things already have

In that movie he suggested small to medium changes over a variety of things that would in the end make a big difference

Good luck in your cause
seeker

Man can follow the path of Yoga - Man can practice Yoga and Meditation only when he lives the right way. We need to live a simple life - causing minimum damage to Environment. We exist because of Nature - We are alive because of Nature - We owe our very existence to Nature. One can understand if Man destroys Environment for food, some clothes and simple shelter. We should not be destroying Environment for making unnecessary Consumer Goods.

Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.

sushil_yadav

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In my culture we understand that the earth or ‘Country’ is part of our self. We are a manifestation of creation, and creation is ongoing and ever present. Creation is also contained within everything, human, animal rock, tree, river, sky.

The land is alive, it has deep thought and feeling. It loves, it mourns and it holds memory. Damage to the land damages ourselves just us damaging ourselves will damage the land - because we don’t just live on it, we are a part of it.

When the mining companies come onto our traditional country and rip up the earth it makes our old people very sad. They don’t see the sacred, they see a tree, a rock and sand. They don’t see the powerful energy that helps to support all life. In the Pilbara in Western Australia they are destroying sacred standing stones that are thousands of years older than Stonehenge.

People say ‘It’s a technological age just accept it - what are we supposed to do? stop consuming? stop mining?’

I don’t know the answer to that. What i do know is that we are damaging something vital to the essence of all humanity. Not because we may lack water or food from our action but because we will have killed the spirit first. And we will be so blind so deaf and so numb that we won’t even realise it because we will have forgotten what it means to be alive.

Sorry if that sounds gloomy we are fighting very hard to preserve our sacred places and environment over here. Nothing is inevitable, but we are in age where every individual action is precious and we need people to stand up for the land.

[quote=Blazeyoga;6304]In my culture we understand that the earth or ‘Country’ is part of our self. We are a manifestation of creation, and creation is ongoing and ever present. Creation is also contained within everything, human, animal rock, tree, river, sky.

The land is alive, it has deep thought and feeling. It loves, it mourns and it holds memory. Damage to the land damages ourselves just us damaging ourselves will damage the land - because we don’t just live on it, we are a part of it.

When the mining companies come onto our traditional country and rip up the earth it makes our old people very sad. They don’t see the sacred, they see a tree, a rock and sand. They don’t see the powerful energy that helps to support all life. In the Pilbara in Western Australia they are destroying sacred standing stones that are thousands of years older than Stonehenge.

People say ‘It’s a technological age just accept it - what are we supposed to do? stop consuming? stop mining?’

I don’t know the answer to that. What i do know is that we are damaging something vital to the essence of all humanity. Not because we may lack water or food from our action but because we will have killed the spirit first. And we will be so blind so deaf and so numb that we won’t even realise it because we will have forgotten what it means to be alive.

Sorry if that sounds gloomy we are fighting very hard to preserve our sacred places and environment over here. Nothing is inevitable, but we are in age where every individual action is precious and we need people to stand up for the land.[/quote]

Blazeyoga,

Thanks for your comment and for your deep concern about environmental destruction.

We exist because of Nature - We owe our very existence to Nature. We should destroy Nature only for our basic needs of food, clothing and shelter. We should not destroy Nature for Consumer Goods.

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