That article made me like Bikram (the man and the practice) that much more. Talk about just being yourself and having fun with life. Thanks 
“Is Bikran Yoga, Yoga?”
No. Yoga itself does not refer to any particular method or technique, it simply means “Union”. When you are living in direct communion with your original nature, then you are in a state of yoga. Any method which leads towards this can be called a method towards yoga, but it is itself not yoga. Yoga is a certain state of consciousness that enters into your perception once you come to know of a dimension which is beyond the mind, which is the very source of one’s existence.
Bikram Yoga is not a method towards yoga at all, it is simply a kind of physical exercise. It may be useful if you are just an egoist who is interested in fulfilling one’s desires - either physical health, or looking good, or something else, but has nothing whatsoever to do with the expansion of consciousness towards one’s liberation.
A fair opinion. Out of curiosity, how much Bikram Yoga have you done? And is Ashtanga Yoga a method towards yoga considering its founder (some guy named Pattabhi Jois) says it should be “99% physical practice”?
David,
It is not a question of opinion, but of simply stating things as they are. And I would not be speaking of the matter unless it were out of my own direct experience. One does not need to practice something like the so called Bikram Yoga to understand this. It simply consists of a set of twenty six physical postures, and two techniques of pranayam - it has no place whatsoever for meditation. It’s whole concern is centered around the body, and through the body alone one is not capable of coming to a transformation. The same has happened with many of the other so called forms of yoga that have arisen in the West, whether “Bikram” yoga, “Lyengar” yoga, or by some other name, they have all become fixated upon the body, simply because the mind of the Western man himself is far too identified with the body. And, to fulfill the demands of the Western mind, all of these different so called forms of yoga have arisen, which is just simply skillful marketing. They have not come into being with the intention of bringing a human being to his enlightenment, they have come into being with the intention of fulfilling the desires of the people whom they have been manufactured for. These are products in the marketplace, and the way of enlightenment is completely indifferent to the demands of the marketplace, it makes no exceptions.
There is nothing wrong with something like Bikram yoga, if all you are interested in is physical health. But it should be seen for what it is. It is not a method for the transformation of consciousness. And rather than calling it yoga, it should simply be called exercise.
What about Ashtanga Yoga which arose in India and is “99% physical practice”? Is that a path towards yoga or just exercise?
And anything can be a meditation, you don’t have to sit with your legs in lotus with your eyes closed to meditate. On the other side of the coin, sitting with your legs in lotus with your eyes closed isn’t necessarily meditation either. 
David,
If you mean the “Ashtanga” yoga which has been distorted in the West, then it is not a method towards yoga either. But if one means the “ashtanga” yoga in the sense of the eight limbed yoga which has been described by Patanjali, that is something entirely different. Patanjali has reduced the whole science of the expansion of consciousness into an exact technology. And most of the work of the eight limbed yoga is entirely of meditation, of bringing the activity of the mind to a stillness, and out of that stillness one can come to a direct perception of a dimension which is not of the mind. It is impossible to see one’s reflection in running water, and once one’s whole lake of consciousness has become absolutely silent - it simply reflects according to it’s original nature. So the “ashtanga” yoga of Patanjali is something entirely different, it is a certain systamatic process in meditation. It consists of eight limbs, eight aspects which, when put together, form a ladder for the expansion of consciousness. The first five limbs are just preparation for the last three.
One first starts with concentration, fixing the mind upon a single point. Once the mind has becomed fixed upon a single point without interruption, concentration becomes transformed into meditation. And it is in meditation that the energy of one’s awareness starts turning inwards towards it’s very source. Once the dualities of the mind dissolve into silence, and one comes to a direct experience of the original nature of the mind, then one enters into cosmic consciousness. And it is this experience which is the very peak of the yogic sciences, all of the various different techniques and approaches are just a skillful means towards this.
“you don’t have to sit with your legs in lotus with your eyes closed to meditate. On the other side of the coin, sitting with your legs in lotus with your eyes closed isn’t necessarily meditation either.”
You are right. Because once meditation has become one’s very nature, one’s very fragrance, then it does not matter whatever one may be doing. Whether one is sitting, standing, lying down, walking, talking or saying nothing at all - it is irrelevant - it makes no disturbance at all for one’s meditation. But this is only the case for one who has already come to the space. For those who have yet to come to the space, without sitting meditation, it is almost impossible to integrate this meditation from moment to moment in daily living. Because while you are involved in action, you can become distracted and disturbed by a million and one different things. And unless one has already come to a certain integration, one is bound to become entangled in the experience of the senses. That is why if you cannot manage sitting meditation, it is almost impossible to remain meditative while one is not in sitting meditation. One’s sitting meditation is to be used to create a solid foundation, so that once you are out of sitting meditation, the stream of meditation continues. Then one can start learning to integrate one’s meditation from moment to moment. In fact, after a while, it will not require any effort at all on your part, to be absolutely rooted in the present moment becomes as natural as one’s own breath.
Thanks for your insight, I really appreciate it Great stuff!
I must say I’ve avoided Bikram for the same reason I won’t pay to see a Tom Cruise movie, but I do know many people who swear by it. I practice Ashtanga as a part of yoga that addresses the physical. I’m working on the other bits, and am getting further down the road of meditation.
As I learn more about this thing called yoga I have come to know that, just as there are many ways to practice the physical arm, there are many expressions of the other 7. As IA mentioned, we find the ways that are right for us.
Glad to read that you are finally feeling better.
[QUOTE=David;52059]A fair opinion. Out of curiosity, how much Bikram Yoga have you done? And is Ashtanga Yoga a method towards yoga considering its founder (some guy named Pattabhi Jois) says it should be “99% physical practice”?[/QUOTE]
David,
Bikram Yoga or Iyengar Yoga etc. These are only names given by individual teachers -more of a marketing spiel than anything else. Jois’s ashtanga yoga is in the same category. I might as well start a school of yoga and call it " Easwaran Yoga".
Any one who understand and respects yoga for what it is and teaches it for the sake of teaching yoga and not purely as a commercial activity, will not give it labels. My father Eknath Easwaran was a meditation guru who founded his ashram in Tomales at Los Angeles and taught there for more than thirty years. I have not heard his teaching referred to in any manner other than “meditation” - even the eight steps he taught were simply referred to as “the eight steps”. Another example- take Kaivalyadham in Lonawala, India, take Parmarth in Rishikesh, take Bihar school of yoga -take SVYASA in Bangalore, these are some of the most respected schools for learning yoga in India. They teach for the love of teaching -sure they have fees , but they all charge very reasonable amounts - needed I am sure for upkeep and maintenance. -and they all teach yoga -not pramarth yoga or BSY yoga or Kaivalyadhama yoga
Yoga has two sets of broad classifications- Gyan, Rajya, Karma and Bhakti- these are the classifications bases on the type of person the aspirant is and hence the type of practice suitable for him - and is referred to in Bhagawad Geeta and by Swami Vivekananda ( his eight volume complete works). The other is the codification by Patanjali - the eight limbs which is called "ashtanga yoga " in the yoga sutras.
Your question is loaded with the western interpretation of yoga - only asans. Yoga is a complete practice. asans are a very small part of the practice. An advanced aspirant in yoga would spend maybe an hour a day in asan and pranayam and eight twelve hours in dharan-only then could he hope to move into dhyan and perhaps samadhi.
There are many who are not built to take such discipline. For them is prescribed Bhakti and karma yoga.
and to answer your question on individual practice-I do practice yoga asan -learnt at kaivalyadham- its called the Sivananda series -(please note - even the Sivananda Ashram does not call it Sivananada Yoga !)- an hour a day and pranayam half an hour a day- meditation 90 min a day - and post by retirement (only a week to go !) -plan to significantly increase the time on meditation (technically dharan - for dhyan happens - you cant do dhyan).
Interesting article I read recently.
A friend of mine recently took a Bikram class, a back band was causing her considerable pain. The instructor told her to take the pain and stretch more.
Bikram yoga doesn’t even pretend to be a whole system of yoga.
However I will say this. The studio that me and my wife attend certainly addresses some of the other aspects of yoga. Sure the 90 minute Bikram class at 105 degrees is brutal, but all along the way our teachers are giving yogic insights about life. At the end of practice we are all instructed to take as much time to be with the mind as we need. Most stay for about 5 minutes are so with the lights dimmed in the room.
Is it a complete yoga? No. No yoga class is. Yoga can’t be completed in a class setting. Meditation is something that has to been done alone and with complete dedication. To be effective meditation has to been undertaken as a science of the mind…and you have to treat it like you are the lead investigator…because you are! Just reciting mantra’s that others concoct will not get one very far with meditation. Fully analysing the mind will. What is that thought? Where did it arise from? Who is this questioning these thoughts, were does the source of this questioner arise form…that’s real meditation. Yes there are plenty of breathing techniques that can be taught to help one first quiet the noisy mind…but once the mind is quiet real insight comes because the devotee has the sincere desire to not only find the truth, but to directly experience the truth. That can’t be fully taught in class, but it is somethign that the sincere seeker will easily find on his on once he’s had some instruction and a push in the right direction.
Is Bikram great for the mind and the body. Yes. For most people in the world it is a good place to start. I have been a long time meditater before coming to the asana parts of yoga. I can say that Bikram yoga has helped steady my mind further and it’s impossible to deny the physical benefits.
My wife has had scoliosis combined with intense back pain her whole life and after a few Bikram classes she can already notice a huge difference…in fact her physical therapist also noticed a difference. yes I understand other systems of yoga will help her as well.
Our plan is to start with Bikram to get us into better shape and then move to other styles of Yoga. I’m trying to introduce my wife to the full system of yoga…well and myself to. I’m hoping that through classes and discussions with me she will embrace more of the yoga philosophy and way of life…aka I’d love it if my wife took up meditation with me!
Personally I think Bikram is good and has it’s place. There are as many paths up the mountain as their are people. Everyone is at their own evolutionary level. What’s perfect for one is nonsense for another. What’s nonsense for one is enlightenment for the other.
[QUOTE=Terence;52089]http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-bikram-backlash-488115.html
Interesting article I read recently.
A friend of mine recently took a Bikram class, a back band was causing her considerable pain. The instructor told her to take the pain and stretch more.[/QUOTE]
Both my wife and myself have had completely opposite experiences. I told my instructor that I had a sharp pain in my hamstring and he immediately showed me an alternative pose that wold stretch and help it heal.
My wife also had a lot of shoulder pain and he spent about 10 minutes after class so he could understand her problem and help her find a solution.
Perhaps me and my wife just got lucky, but all three of the teachers in our class have been nothing short of great in my opinion. 2 women and 1 man.
I do believe if you are going to work this hard in a 105 degree room you had better find a good teacher that cares more about you than the system.
Glad that you had positive experiences!
Check out the Iyengar system as a point of comparison. Inform the instructor of your conditions beforehand.
[QUOTE=Terence;52093]Glad that you had positive experiences!
Check out the Iyengar system as a point of comparison. Inform the instructor of your conditions beforehand.[/QUOTE]
Will do!
I’d like to check out a few different systems over time.
Here’s my experience of Bikram yoga, sorry in advance for sounding cynical!
An instructor in Bikram told me that ‘Patanjali 3-4000 years ago listed the benefits of the postures.’ I replied that Patanjali was around about 1,500 years ago and the Sutras go a little deeper than that. I didn’t want to take his class at that point.
I started to read an article by a student of Bikram yoga entitled “Bikram yoga, yoga without the bullshit.” I only got as far as the title.
However, if someone is getting massive long term health benefits and peace of mind from this or any other practice, than that is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Terence;52107]Here’s my experience of Bikram yoga, sorry in advance for sounding cynical!
An instructor in Bikram told me that ‘Patanjali 3-4000 years ago listed the benefits of the postures.’ I replied that Patanjali was around about 1,500 years ago and the Sutras go a little deeper than that. I didn’t want to take his class at that point.
I started to read an article by a student of Bikram yoga entitled “Bikram yoga, yoga without the bullshit.” I only got as far as the title.
However, if someone is getting massive long term health benefits and peace of mind from this or any other practice, than that is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Well I have to be honest. When I look at Bikram (the man) I’m pretty disturbed by him. I think we may be lucky with our teachers in that they don’t just teach Bikram yoga…they teach other styles as well even though they are fully trained in the Bikram way. Yes they push hard in class at times, but that is part of Bikram yoga.
However, as much as I dislike what I hear about Bikram, I also have to have a certain level of respect for his words when it comes to the asana aspect of Yoga. Is he enlightened? Sure doesn’t appear that way. Does he know how to design a yoga routine to whip your body into shape and expel toxins…sure appears that he does.
“When the student is ready the teacher will appear”.
I try to be open to my teacher appearing at any moment. Right now I feel really luck to have found the yoga school we are attending, even though I don’t think they will have much to offer me on the meditation front…but then I wasn’t seeking a meditation teacher, I was seeking a teacher to help me with the physical asanas of yoga.
I’m looking forward to trying other schools and styles out, but for now at least we are committed to a few months of this style and I’m certain that it will be a good starting point for us when we branch out to the other schools.
Like I said I feel lucky. I don’t know if would have chosen a Bikram class if I had read about Bikram before going.
IMO, if it boosts your spiritual development and finally brings enlightenment, it “is” yoga. Few else I can say as I totally ignore Bikram Yoga.
Short answer is no. I know that may offend some of you, but read further and decide for yourself.
I practiced Bikram for several years at a variety of studios both in my hometown and while traveling. I decided to branch out and try other styles of yoga. I learned that other styles shared much more in common with each other than with Bikram.
Here are some of the ways that Bikram deviates from most other styles of yoga:
- 105 degree heat. Don’t kid yourself, you are not getting the killer workout that you imagine. Your body just feels tapped out because you have been exercising in excessive heat. Try the same postures in a 80 degree room some time.
- That boring repetitive script. Bikram charges his teachers to memorize a script. I have been to classes where I swear we would be just as well off with a tape recorder turned on at the front of the class.
- The stupid sayings like “pain kills the pain” or “a mini heart attack in here is better than a real one outside” or “90 minutes in here is equivalent to 9 years outside.”. Yes, I know it is hyperbole, but it gets old after a while.
- Most Bikram teachers have not even bothered to try other form of yoga, in general their lack of knowledge on alignment principles, anatomy, and the history of yoga is astounding.
- With the mirrors, annual asana competition, and the way the script pushes the students, Bikram is designed to be competitive. Sure that suits a Lot of Westerners, but it goes against the grain of traditional yoga practice.
When I left Bikram classes, I found a whole new world of possibility. Not only the number of asanas, but also truly powerful and meditative yoga taught by compassionate teachers. If you are doing Bikram currently, you owe it to yourself to expand your horizons. Most who do, never go back.
[QUOTE=David;51948]I’m curious what opinions people here hold regarding Bikram Yoga. Do you like the practice? Is it anything but yoga and more of a means for Bikram Choudhury to get rich? Can the practice be beneficial for practitioners or should it be walked away from? If you share your opinion in this thread, please also state how much Bikram Yoga you’ve actually done. Thanks :)[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
[I][B]Prana Shakti[/B][/I] and Her workings are the most important in any form of Yoga. Yes, including Bhakti Yoga, in which one is filled with [I][B]sattvic guna[/B][/I], because of which [I][B]Prana[/B][/I], the life current rises up the [I][B]sushumna[/B][/I].
Even if some teacher emphasises the physical aspects of Yoga, that too, is with a view to clear the paths for Prana Shakti to flow into regions intended by a particular posture.
Those doing any for of physical yoga will benefit immensely, if the final pose is maintained with an inner attitude of surrender and “let go” towards the Divine Life Current, known in Yoga as [I][B]Prana Shakti.[/B][/I]
regards, anand
[QUOTE=David;52059]A fair opinion. Out of curiosity, how much Bikram Yoga have you done? And is Ashtanga Yoga a method towards yoga considering its founder (some guy named Pattabhi Jois) says it should be “99% physical practice”?[/QUOTE]
I practice Ashtanga yoga and this thread is the first place I have seen “99% PHYSICAL practice.” The quote I am very familiar with says, “99% practice…1% theory.” In other words, we incorporate the eight limbs of yoga into all aspects of our life (well, we try ;-P) rather than just talking about yoga theory. An example would be putting 1% of our effort toward talking/reading/thinking about and how ahimsa contributes to uncovering our deepest sense of Self and 99% of our effort replacing violent thoughts, words, and actions with kindness toward ourselves, our loved ones, those who chalenge us, and the universe as a whole. The 99% practice is where we actually see our true nature unfold…it’s where theory becomes reality.
As for Bikram, I have only done a small handfull of classes and while I think you can take your yoga practice into any class or situation, it is probably not the place I would choose to learn what yoga is all about. Especially if you tend toward a pitta dosha or if you gravitate heavily toward the guna rajas. This, in my mind, has less to do with their 100+ degree temperatures and more with their fiery rhetoric. “Extend beyond your flexability” and “lock out the knees” seems counterproductive physically, mentally, and emotionally to me. With that said, I know many have benefited from the system so thank goodness there is something for everyone. Love to all. hugs