Hi Karen
What is ashvara?
Jesus, depending on what gospel you read was either a master or a saint. I still reserve judgement on whether this man existed at all, but if he did and considering what he did, he is not very high up in my list of fav masters. I have respect for the Jesus of the bible, but not admiration.
For me personally the greatest masters were the Vedic Risis(hundreds to name individually), Patanjali, Kapila, Janaka, Adisankara, Krishna and Buddha. Amongst the bhakti saints Guru Nanak, Kabir and countless others that I know of, but have not read about extensively(Jnanaeshwara, Meera bhai, Swaminarayan, Tulsi das) In modern times my favourites are Swami Yogananda Paramhansa, Swami Chimayananda, Swami Dayananda, Swami Krishnananda, Sri Aurobindo.
Hi Core…lovely day in GB…Ishvara is inside you, your inner guru a human based visual representation of purusha, the spirit. Ishvara will present in three ways, I think.
One, you look for Ishvara via the Ajna Chakra and find Ishvara in lotus position, seated in meditation. Ishvara then joins you in the Ajna chakra, still seated but awake and visual to you always.
Or through meditation and right thinking etc
Or through right thinking and right mind Ishvara will appear before you…like if you are in a permanent meditative restful state…
When Ishvara is there, your direction is straight from Ishvara and no need for a Masters direction, hence the name, Inner Guru.
This is from another thread, a more detailed of where Ishvara is
Ishvara can be found seated by using the Ajna Chakra.How this happens is when you start looking for the little light, you are suddenly aware of a different format to what you normally might expect. The format is red streaks intermingling with the darkness, a slow smooth even paced journey takes you there. There is an element of involuntary action in it…You will see at the end of the journey a seated figure, human in every way. Cross legged in meditation.
You will see and wonder who is that…you will then move right close to Ishvara who remains in meditation. You will, quite naturally be looking in detail at this 'person, analysing their looks etc… Then involuntarily, your sight is drawn back as you watch Ishvara levitate, turn its back, travel down to the end of its space and turn around and levitate towards your eye. It will then enter the Ajna space and remain seated there. …Even when you are awake walking round, you will be aware and see a little Ishvara, cross legged, popping in and out as you go about your business. The Ajna is permanently open while Ishvara is there.
When your mind it clear, happy, clean and bright Ishvara leans forward, looking out to what you see, when you are even brighter in mind, Ishvara grows bigger and leaves the Ajna and is ahead of you. Ishvara can be man sized or the size of your real eye. The bigger the better as it means your mind is right. Or to put it another way, your mind is simple, uncomplicated and happy.
The little light is the method for opening the Ajna Chakra, a point of focus you search for the little light until it fills the dark canvas, this is the Ajna Chakra opening.
To me that does not sound like Ishvara but a mental projection. A bit like how new-agers have guides and such. I am not surprised you would have an imaginary spiritual guide 
You have a strong desire to believe that you have spiritual attainments kareng. Unfortunately, your actions, speak to the contrary.
Oh dear Surya and you are now, right now showing how spiritually un informed you really are…do you have access to any Masters Surya, if so, take my description and present it to them and they will enlighten you to this…ps you cant find these details in books or on the net…go see a Master ok
ps you cant find these details in books or on the net
Exactly, you read them off books and formed a fantasy around it. And now you see visions of a little Buddha you call “ishvara” I almost fell into the same trap myself when I was dabbling in the new-age like yourself, I had visions of “Brahma” and I started channeling Brahma and transcribing everything he said to me. I was astute enough to realise though it was just my own mental projection and I stopped doing that. One day you will realise that what you call “ishvara” is nothing more than a mental projection, a fantasy you have weaved for yourself.
If you really did not have darshan from ishvara you would be a saint like Kabir, Guru Nanak etc. However, you do not carry any marks of a saint.
I am still not holding my breathe you have any real psychic ability. The full moon will come and go and you will still be making excuses.
Hahahahahah, Surya now you have suprised me with your real lack of spiritual knowledge!!
Surya, for the record, When I met Ishvara, I was just a simple gal…housewife, mother, wife, singer…no churches, books, posters, conversations, nothing…except Ajna, and being nice…thats all Surya.
I presume you don’t know any Masters or you would take me up on this, wouldn’t you.?
Quote Surya…If you really did not have darshan from ishvara you would be a saint like Kabir, Guru Nanak etc. However, you do not carry any marks of a saint.
Karengs reply
Surya, let me educate you for a moment, it might seriously help you when you do meet Ishvara. Ishvara needs you to maintain the right mind, If you do not develop the right mind, continuously, Ishvara leaves the space between the brows where Ishvara sits and goes back to the original position waiting for the next time.
I lost Ishvara active because I didnt obey the basics to the fullest because I had no idea about any of it…
If you are trying to suggest I am suggesting greatness…far from it…thats your bag, not mine.
Silly, as if I am equaling myself to SAINTS…you really have no idea about it do you,with you its all out of books, no real experience and you resent anyone who has had real experience, its so obvious.
Take it to a Master Surya…then come back to me and tell me what they said!!! Only someone who has experienced Ishvara, could write this…silly billy boo boo
Am gonna venture to say charlatan or con-artist… Not that it should make much difference other than as a warning to others…
The things related sound like mental projections and so very subjective.Some folk term such things scenery and giv little to no importance to in practice or the yoga path, perhaps even a distraction eto get too caught up in seeing things with your own third-eye(one person might see something but then another sees something else quite different even)… I can see the dangers of being mislead by others.Luckliy i trust my own instincts and my own instincts are usually right from experience… Sounds like newagey nonsense to me,never heard of it, or just too subjective period.What someone experiences is’nt necessarily what another might experience.
I’m not saying what is experienced is’nt true for someone but it cannot be true for everyone.Something witnessed in the third-eye will always be subjective and as it’s reported sure but likely unique for any given individual.
Oh I see Core, I am suprised you know nothing about the seat of the Guru that all can experience via Ajna??? In fact I’m amazed to say the least.
All Masters will tell you to seek him out!!!But they will expect you to give your account of what you found…So my only defense I have to offer is ASK A MASTER
i have given my account to a Buddhist Master who confirmed what I told him. He knew exctly what I was saying beyond doubt and that is good enough for me. I should also like to add only one member on this site also knows what im saying is true.
The person who has the Guru in actice Ajna state has to do the following:
Reduce the ego…in fact remove it…tricky one
Think Nice…easy
Be Nice …Easy
Be simple in thought…Easy
Be happy…Easy for some
Vegetarian…Easy
Refrain from sex and all sexual thoughts …eventually Easy
Refrain from lies…Easy, complex what about lies to save another?
I was ignorant about 1, 6, and 7, so the inner Guru goes back to inside.
I suggest you do your homework about this highly highly significant thing
But you will come to a wall. Only a brief description not what I have given you, a full account…you will need a Master for this.
What if anything of the person lives on after death, according to Buddhism?
Is memory retained from before death?
Is there any hope of communicating with others who have achieved Nirvanah, including loved ones, and who would be known as such and would not be strangers?
Buddhist say in their own words what they believe about life after death
[QUOTE=bluelight2;42458]Buddhist say in their own words what they believe about life after death[/QUOTE]
That’s what I’ve been waiting to hear from a Buddhist. If you are one, please share.
To me at least ,The inner guru is not some pictorial representation sitting in the field of Ajna like a lititle buddha or christ in lotus looking clam,peaceful and relaxed & omniscent. And then i’ll befriend him/her etc.
Inner guru is behind the relative veil of illusions created by the ego/mind, by our self-seeking desires & selfish behaviours and so forth…
Inner guru is not bothered by anything.It is detached & unperturbed.It plays itself out through right action like you say and is morally self-regulating and self-regulatory.By it’s very nature it does not need any external validation or authority.It is pure love but it also pure mind too, pure body , pure bliss consciousness in fact.It is the observer behind the relative field of consciousness, the witness.
It does’nt have to define what it is, be your ishta or anything else.
Inner guru just knows and remains queit in the knowing, in the silence that characterises the knowing…
Every Master will likely say differen things.I don’t believe they all say once you see a little Buddha or christ figure sitting in lotus looking buddha-like then this is an important milestone.I think you may well be having me on which is rather silly if you want my opinion…And as i said before you might see red streaks with a godlen hue in ajna but inn fact i’m prrettys ure that is and likely will not be the case for everyone.
I don’t need a Master to know Inner Guru has a pictorial prepresentation for me.It is not my own experience of what i take to be Inner Guru.Inner Guru acts without thinking.As i say it is morally self-regulatory.Good is done without thinking about it, without operating from the “I” like we all do-what will i get out of it, how will i feel afterwards or just now etcetera.
My own experience of what i think inner guru is, is there is no “I”, let alone picture of little buddhas or christ-like figures or orange streaks with golden glows.It is mainly a pure heart if you want to know what i think.But it is good to have a clear mind too just like Surya is hinting at. The mind is also a great tool and it is wise also that we also make use of it in addtion to the body, the external world and right action coming from the heart and viveka-dsicriminiation…It is easy to delude yourself. I do it everyday though i try to not delude myself too much. I try to be myself- project a real self and keep a watch on it, allow them to manifest but not kid myself on that they are not there when they are.
Inner guru gives you dscrimination-viveka. And it does’nt care, it’s detached.
Spiritual pride and complete self-delusion are very easy and traps for certainly even for advanced yogis you might say(indeed sometimes more so because absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely, positions flip just like that. just consider so called gurus that are shown to be not perfect or take a fall) -that is why they have to keep up with their practice like their life depneded on it. If you want to know the truth you need to be really thirsty & as well as sincere .Not just a bit or teeny weeny bit thirsty and half-hearted or half-assed about it.
It’s begginning to look like Christianity and Hinduism have more in common than Hinduisim and Buddhism.
Yes Thomas, i think that’s a pretty fair comment.
How can it when Surya says it is Buddhism is Hindu and has ponted this out all through this thread Thomas?
I will get back to you Core just looking at your reply still.x
Because in Hinduism, there is the hope of eternal life with the person intact, just as in Christianity, but I see no such hope in Buddhism.
I can’t even get an answer out of a Buddhist about it.
WELL Thomas you are inadvertently destroying Suryas argument throughout the thread that Buddhism is Hinduism…cheers Thomas.
You wont find many Buddhists on this site, because being here does not still the mind
it excites it and is something that goes right against Buddhist basic principles, foundations.
I am in agreement and I’m showing weakness by being here. What can I say except I am wrong and will have to leave here at some point.
I have the answers you want but will have to tell you a bit at a time as its complex and Im sure you may loose interest, eventually…if you want me to begin in bits, I will from Sogyal Rinpoche, Tibetan Buddhist from the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying
One day a young Buddhist on his journey home, came to the banks of a wide river. Staring hopelessly at the great obstacle in front of him , he pondered for hours on just how to cross such a wide barrier. Just as he was about to give up his pursuit to continue his journey he saw a great teacher on the other side of the river. The young Buddhist yells over to the teacher “Oh wise one , can you tell me how to get to the other side of this river”?
The teacher ponders for a moment* looks up and down the river and yells back “My son, you are on the other side” .
Why does it have to be complicated?
This is what I believe about it: We have a body and a soul. The body dies and the soul lives on as the SAME PERSON who died. The soul can go to either Heaven or Hell. Those souls in Heaven will know each other and be able to communicate with each other. My father on earth will be the same person in Heaven, though purified and not grouchy, and likewise for me, and we will remember our relationship. Some day there will be a resurrection, and we will be given new incorruptible bodies, that are somhow “spiritualized” and which will have powers we do not have now. Our greatest happiness, will be in the Beatific Vision, being able to “see” God as He is.
There’s more to it than this, and much that is unknown, and this concept will be rejected by those outside of Christiainity, but at least I can say what I believe.
Couldn’t a Buddhist give me a similar summary of life after death of the body from their perspective?