What if anything of the person lives on after death, according to Buddhism?
Is memory retained from before death?
Is there any hope of communicating with others who have achieved Nirvanah, including loved ones, and who would be known as such and would not be strangers?
Buddhist say in their own words what they believe about life after death
[QUOTE=bluelight2;42458]Buddhist say in their own words what they believe about life after death[/QUOTE]
That’s what I’ve been waiting to hear from a Buddhist. If you are one, please share.
To me at least ,The inner guru is not some pictorial representation sitting in the field of Ajna like a lititle buddha or christ in lotus looking clam,peaceful and relaxed & omniscent. And then i’ll befriend him/her etc.
Inner guru is behind the relative veil of illusions created by the ego/mind, by our self-seeking desires & selfish behaviours and so forth…
Inner guru is not bothered by anything.It is detached & unperturbed.It plays itself out through right action like you say and is morally self-regulating and self-regulatory.By it’s very nature it does not need any external validation or authority.It is pure love but it also pure mind too, pure body , pure bliss consciousness in fact.It is the observer behind the relative field of consciousness, the witness.
It does’nt have to define what it is, be your ishta or anything else.
Inner guru just knows and remains queit in the knowing, in the silence that characterises the knowing…
Every Master will likely say differen things.I don’t believe they all say once you see a little Buddha or christ figure sitting in lotus looking buddha-like then this is an important milestone.I think you may well be having me on which is rather silly if you want my opinion…And as i said before you might see red streaks with a godlen hue in ajna but inn fact i’m prrettys ure that is and likely will not be the case for everyone.
I don’t need a Master to know Inner Guru has a pictorial prepresentation for me.It is not my own experience of what i take to be Inner Guru.Inner Guru acts without thinking.As i say it is morally self-regulatory.Good is done without thinking about it, without operating from the “I” like we all do-what will i get out of it, how will i feel afterwards or just now etcetera.
My own experience of what i think inner guru is, is there is no “I”, let alone picture of little buddhas or christ-like figures or orange streaks with golden glows.It is mainly a pure heart if you want to know what i think.But it is good to have a clear mind too just like Surya is hinting at. The mind is also a great tool and it is wise also that we also make use of it in addtion to the body, the external world and right action coming from the heart and viveka-dsicriminiation…It is easy to delude yourself. I do it everyday though i try to not delude myself too much. I try to be myself- project a real self and keep a watch on it, allow them to manifest but not kid myself on that they are not there when they are.
Inner guru gives you dscrimination-viveka. And it does’nt care, it’s detached.
Spiritual pride and complete self-delusion are very easy and traps for certainly even for advanced yogis you might say(indeed sometimes more so because absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely, positions flip just like that. just consider so called gurus that are shown to be not perfect or take a fall) -that is why they have to keep up with their practice like their life depneded on it. If you want to know the truth you need to be really thirsty & as well as sincere .Not just a bit or teeny weeny bit thirsty and half-hearted or half-assed about it.
It’s begginning to look like Christianity and Hinduism have more in common than Hinduisim and Buddhism.
Yes Thomas, i think that’s a pretty fair comment.
How can it when Surya says it is Buddhism is Hindu and has ponted this out all through this thread Thomas?
I will get back to you Core just looking at your reply still.x
Because in Hinduism, there is the hope of eternal life with the person intact, just as in Christianity, but I see no such hope in Buddhism.
I can’t even get an answer out of a Buddhist about it.
WELL Thomas you are inadvertently destroying Suryas argument throughout the thread that Buddhism is Hinduism…cheers Thomas.
You wont find many Buddhists on this site, because being here does not still the mind
it excites it and is something that goes right against Buddhist basic principles, foundations.
I am in agreement and I’m showing weakness by being here. What can I say except I am wrong and will have to leave here at some point.
I have the answers you want but will have to tell you a bit at a time as its complex and Im sure you may loose interest, eventually…if you want me to begin in bits, I will from Sogyal Rinpoche, Tibetan Buddhist from the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying
One day a young Buddhist on his journey home, came to the banks of a wide river. Staring hopelessly at the great obstacle in front of him , he pondered for hours on just how to cross such a wide barrier. Just as he was about to give up his pursuit to continue his journey he saw a great teacher on the other side of the river. The young Buddhist yells over to the teacher “Oh wise one , can you tell me how to get to the other side of this river”?
The teacher ponders for a moment* looks up and down the river and yells back “My son, you are on the other side” .
Why does it have to be complicated?
This is what I believe about it: We have a body and a soul. The body dies and the soul lives on as the SAME PERSON who died. The soul can go to either Heaven or Hell. Those souls in Heaven will know each other and be able to communicate with each other. My father on earth will be the same person in Heaven, though purified and not grouchy, and likewise for me, and we will remember our relationship. Some day there will be a resurrection, and we will be given new incorruptible bodies, that are somhow “spiritualized” and which will have powers we do not have now. Our greatest happiness, will be in the Beatific Vision, being able to “see” God as He is.
There’s more to it than this, and much that is unknown, and this concept will be rejected by those outside of Christiainity, but at least I can say what I believe.
Couldn’t a Buddhist give me a similar summary of life after death of the body from their perspective?
Core, first of all, I am not a Charlatan or con artist, I am not having you or anyone else on. I am being very serious. The inner Guru presents itself as a human etherial form for our minds satisfaction, so we can relate to it. Because Purusha is beyond the mind and cannot be seen or met.
Unlike all of you who know all sorts about Yoga, Hinduism, etc etc etc, I dont.
I have spent 40 years of my life working solely with the Ajna Chakra, thats all, thats it.
In 40 years, I have seen many many things in the Astral dimensions. The most profound was meeting the inner guru, at 29 ish. For about 18 Months. I was innocent and hadn’t got a clue who he was. I met him as I described. It took me years more to establish who he was that sat, everyday, between my brows or ahead of me. It was the most perfect part of my life and I would strongly recommend you look into this.
Thinking, having an opinion is nothing in comparison to experiencing. It took nothing more than innocently using the Ajna to find him. He is the communicator, the Guru representation for Purusha who is beyond mind.
Ajna means Command. it is also meaning the Command centre for the teacher, the inner Guru. Teachers are not silent, they guide, direct, you seem to think they just sit there doing nothing!
The inner Guru is there to teach you. AND when you have located him, he is there to show you visually your progress as well as telepathically.
[B]If you buy Ch’an meditation, translated by Charles Luk, Author .[/B]…you will find a clear explanation of what happens when the inner guru is active as a small person at the brow. It is a description given by a Master of Ch’an Buddhism, note…he does not tell you how to do it. He states all students should seek out the inner guru who resides inside the [B]red heart.[/B] This is a third eye chakra format, that I have described for you. Swirling red streaks intermingling with blackness, etc etc
He then goes on to say when you meet him and awaken him he will join you between your brow. He then says how your ego will defeat him and how other wrong practices will defeat him, he then says how to keep him with you and how he grows to human size on the purity of yourself. how he will at that point be supremely powerful for you and you in turn, spiritually will be, etc, etc…This is the [B]ONLY [/B]account I can find with that detail, buy it and read before you call me a con-artiste…but when you do buy it and read it, remember, I have given you the details which the Master does not tell you about. I expect there to be other references but I havnt found them…AS it is Buddhism I expect Hindus to know about it, so try to find out, do your own research if you think I am having you on xx
To save you time ask Surya Deva, in India, where there are many Gurus, Masters, to find out, ask the ones who specialise in Ajna practice perhaps.
By Flexis post Thomas can you see what he is gettng at…this Buddhist philosophy,
its clever, subtle, simple…I could go on.
[QUOTE=kareng;42487]By Flexis post Thomas can you see what he is gettng at…this Buddhist philosophy,
its clever, subtle, simple…I could go on.[/QUOTE]
It’s about as clear as mud to me.
All I’m getting from my questions about this are links to other sites and riddles.
Could you or any Buddhist tell me if YOU live on after you die?
Do you remember your earthly life? Would you be able to communicate with others who died and who you knew and would you somehow recognize each other?
Is there any continiuty of memory from this life to the after-death life?
What is the difference between Buddhism and Atheism?
Okay Thomas,I will tell you the Tibetan account.
I just wanted you to answer with your own beliefs in your own words. I want the “kareng account” and not the Teibetan one.
Fair questions, thomas. My belief taken from Roman Catholicism, our souls proceed to pergatory, then off to heaven or hell. This is reincarnation in many senses.
The question I sense you are really asking is, does accepting and adopting other spiritual ideas breach the number one commandment - [I]‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’ [/I] And, can you show me how I can live with that?
As corny as it sounds, the answers come from within. It’s solving your own riddle.
No, that’s not really the question I’m asking. I’m not asking whether I should or should not practice Buddhism, but whether the Buddhist believes he or she will live on in some way that is continuous and whether they are the same person after death.
Buddhism seems very depressing to me, because I can’t see much difference between what they believe and the atheist believes–that everything disolves at death and that’s it.
But…I’m willing to be educated differently, but I’m finding it frustrating that the Buddhists so far are not answering even the most basic questions I’ve asked.
First of all we can actually use our lives to prepare for death
Buddhists see life and death as one whole, where death is the beginning of another chapter of life. The whole of life and death is presented together is a series of of constantly changing transitional realities known as Bardos.
Bardos are junctures when the possibility of liberation, or enlightement is heightened
The Bardos are certain moments,that are much more powerful than others and much more charged with potential, when whatever you do has a crucial and far-reaching. effect.
The greatest and most charged of these moments, however, is the moment of death
So, from the Tibetan point of view, they divide our entire existence into four continuously linked realities
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[QUOTE=thomas;42490]I just wanted you to answer with your own beliefs in your own words. I want the “kareng account” and not the Teibetan one.[/QUOTE]
Well Thomas Im still learning Im afraid and I dont want to misguide you with a wrong account. Youve asked about specific things.
Start with what ive put, its from a Master, im cutting it for clarity.
Do you want more?