So far Christianity has made me more and not less peaceful.
My religion forbids me to kill anyone, even when legal, such as abortion.
Your religion today is what has been agreed upon by your clergy. Admitedly, this is more peaceful than it was before - pure savagry. The reason these new changes have come in Christianity has more to do with keeping up with modernism. In the modern world a lot of things Christianity once did are considered inexcusable and if the clergy sanctioned any genocides today they would be tried for crimes against humanity.
The biggest failing of your religion is the failure to reject the OT from the bible canon. Why such a savage and barbaric scripture is tolerated in your religion is a question many non Christians are going to always ask you. How could somebody as babaric and savage as Moses be considered a holy prophet is a question that non Christians are going to always ask you.
I need to make a study of the OT. I need to understand the context.
What would those enemies have done to the Jews had they been the victors?
My understanding of the OT is weak. There are things that cause me concern too, and some day I will find out why things were so.
Meanwhile, I know what the Catechism says, and if you want to know what Catholics believe and how they should treat others, it is well-covered in the Catechism.
[QUOTE=thomas;46041]I need to make a study of the OT. I need to understand the context.
What would those enemies have done to the Jews had they been the victors?
My understanding of the OT is weak. There are things that cause me concern too, and some day I will find out why things were so.
Meanwhile, I know what the Catechism says, and if you want to know what Catholics believe and how they should treat others, it is well-covered in the Catechism.[/QUOTE]
you guys, please don’t reply to this thread. These guys obviously don’t have a clue
These battles always took place miles away from civilian population centres and were governed by codes of hononur such as each person would only fight one person at a time, nobody would attack somebody from the back, and no fighting would take place after dusk.
Arjuna was shooting arrows that divided many many times, I seem to remember thousands of arrows coming from Arjuna alone with every draw of the bow string. How is this fighting one person at a time? & none of these guys were facing away from the arrow, all of them saw it coming with no surprise? BS
These guys are western-hating, Hindu-biased racists. Ignore them. Seriously, who entitles a thread "Is the OT the most barbaric and savage scripture in the world?"
Seriously? :rolleyes:
It’s Catholicism that says the barbaric and unjust practice of abortion and the killing of babies in the womb must stop, while members of other faiths are cool with it, and would not have it outlawed.
Abortion has killed millions and millions, and no amount of deaths in the Bible or anywhere else compare to this, and the Church stands boldly in opposition, while others look for loopholes and reasons why these innocents may be slaughtered.
I don’t know why God dealt so harshly with his enemies in the ancient past, but that was then and this is now. His Son has taught us a new way, and that is who Christians follow.
Hindus are also against abortion. Most Hindus frown on it as much as you do, but we recongise special circumstances where abortion is justified. Again our religion has a real world morality and pragmatism, because it is based on a high democratic and scientific civilisation. Like the modern scientific world, we had notions of human, civil, animal and human rights. So we equally recognise the right of the mother who is bearing the child.
The OT takes place in a primitive, savage and tribal civilisation and as one one would expect, its religion, morality and scientific understanding reflects a tribal and savage people. The scriptures of that time have no place in a modern democratic and scientific world.
Your biggest failure, as I pointed earlier is not to reject the OT from your bible canon. To accept the prophets in this book, to accept the god in this book. Any honest, rational and civilised human being would not excuse a scripture containing such barbarism. Never accept a god that commits genocides, kills children, has women raped.
The NT is not a continuation of the OT any secular religious scholar will tell you that. Jesus challenged the the religion of the OT, and this is why he was hated and crucified. If he was continuing the religion, why would they have him crucified? He taught complete opposite doctrines to the OT. He refused to acknowledge any of the laws of the OT. He riled against the Jews(the original OTers) There is simply no reconcilation between these religions.
The OT was tagged along the NT by the Roman empire for political purposes. As they could find no justification for their political purposes in the NT, so they tagged the OT along.
If Christians were really following Jesus of the NT never in a billion years would the death and destruction that went on his name ever have happened. The death and destruction happened because of the OT. It was the OT that was used to justify much of the violence. If it was OK for Moses and God to kill and torture pagans/idolators, then it was ok for the popes of Christianity to do it.
You have to face your history. The only good about your religion, as Neitzsche said elsewhere, is your Jesus.
[QUOTE=The Scales;46033]Nope the Mahabarata is far more violent. Thats why I like it more, that and it’s a much better read. The OT is Dry. Dry. Dry.
Kill.
Kill.
Kill.
WEEEEEEEEEEE.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Only a biased Westerner/Christian/Muslim like you would look at the scale of the war and not look at the motivations, the codes of honor, the reasons behind the war, and so forth.
First of all, the battle was that of righteousness. The Pandavas had been cheated of their rightful kingdom for years and years and it became clear that their cousins had no intention of giving it back. On top of that, heaps of abuse were piled on top of them. So they followed Kshatriya Dharma and decided to fight back for their kingdom. You know the results and details. The Pandavas regretted all of it, even though they knew their cousins were demons incarnate, and even though they attained “heaven” (it really isn’t in the strictest sense but I don’t know of any closer term) for dying a warrior’s death.
In the OT? People were killed ruthlessly, for no reason other than that their “God” commanded them. Whoever got in their way of the Israelites perished and their women were raped and their children molested. This did not happen in the Mahabharata. The wars were fought far from civilization and the widows and orphans were treated benevolently and equally by the winners (and the winners also had an almost equal share of widows and orphans for only 5 survived in the winners side).
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;46043]you guys, please don’t reply to this thread. These guys obviously don’t have a clue
Arjuna was shooting arrows that divided many many times, I seem to remember thousands of arrows coming from Arjuna alone with every draw of the bow string. How is this fighting one person at a time? & none of these guys were facing away from the arrow, all of them saw it coming with no surprise? BS
These guys are western-hating, Hindu-biased racists. Ignore them. Seriously, who entitles a thread "Is the OT the most barbaric and savage scripture in the world?"
Seriously? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I think SD messed up here! It wasn’t 1v1 at all much of the time. Versus fightings, when they happened, were based on skill. For foot soldiers, it was generally 1v1, simply because they were foot soldiers. For charioteers/archers with superhuman prowess, it was 1v1 against those charioteers/archers with the similar skill or against an entire division of the army that chose to challenge him or against enemies who [I]willingly[/I] got in the way. Other than that, it was just flat out war. It is you who is the Westerner bigot with Christian biases. Any more questions or misunderstandings you need to clear up from someone who has actually read LEGITIMATE translations of the Mahabharata done by Hindus (and not those translations done by Christian whites)?
Do they Thomas? Do they really follow it?
‘dnftt’
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;46086]‘dnftt’[/QUOTE]
These discussions are relevant to the religion subsection of the Yoga Forums. You hide under PC so you do not like what we say, especially when we have plenty of evidence and reasons to back ourselves up. So you say things like “do not feed the trolls.”
I do not know why you all find our posts so offensive. The fact that you all do (and respond by posting links to anti-Hindu propaganda and spreading lies about our culture and history) just shows how much Western/Christianized bias you all really have.
Surya Deva, imagine if we convinced TTA to join us. He would get these people really riled up.
I think the OT is the most barbaric and savage scripture in the world just after the Mahabarata. T
I think the OT is the most barbaric and savage scripture in the world, even more so than the Q’uran. T
Great idea. I think Bollywood is looking for a new song and dance comedy team.
Nietzsche, ignore the scales. He is just a troll. He says thing thoughtlessly to provoke reactions. He’s probably not even read the Mahabharata. He earlier said Yoga did not originate in India.
This responses are typical from Flex, Indradev etc. You and I attack concepts, they attack people. Leave them to it. It is clear to the objective reader they have no substance. You and I provide hard facts. Let us continue with our Arya dharma and let them continue with the troll dharma.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46114]Nietzsche, ignore the scales. He is just a troll. He says thing thoughtlessly to provoke reactions. He’s probably not even read the Mahabharata.
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There you go projecting again. I thought you gave that up? Not a big boi yet?
I doubt you’ve read the bible. Truth be told. Other than to google “Barbaric Acts in the Bible.”
Why do I always win? Because I stand for truth justice and the Right Way.
Why do I always win? Because I’ve forgotten more about religion than you “think” you know. You’ve both, proven that you really don’t have a clue when it comes to your own religion.
Darkness. This is all you invite. It kinda makes me sad. Doesn’t make for a nice world.
I think both you need a good sound butt whooping. Now I can’t do it in person. Because you wouldn’t talk such a way to my face. But I can whoop you on this forum. Which is what I do.
[QUOTE=The Scales;46129]There you go projecting again. I thought you gave that up? Not a big boi yet?
I doubt you’ve read the bible. Truth be told. Other than to google “Barbaric Acts in the Bible.”
Why do I always win? Because I stand for truth justice and the Right Way.
I think both you need a good sound butt whooping. Now I can’t do it in person. Because you wouldn’t talk such a way to my face. But I can whoop you on this forum. Which is what I do.[/QUOTE]
These jokers just don’t get it, do they? Debating which ancient scripture is more violent? We don’t go to war & decimate other peoples under the command of God any more than they do any more. Women have equal rights (India is behind the West but they’re making great progress), etc etc
In the West we can’t help the religious cultural norms that we’re raise under any more than Indians can, but we can change who [B][I]WE[/I][/B] are.
But they want to point fingers at the outside, they want to blame the outside, they want to be “Proud Indian Nationalists”. & now this thread is bordering on antisemitism, if it hasn’t already crossed that line.
Quit playing e-grab ass with these jokers. It doesn’t serve for anyone involved.
“They killed each other like Aryas!”
If thomas stops. I’ll stop.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46114]Nietzsche, ignore the scales. He is just a troll. He says thing thoughtlessly to provoke reactions. He’s probably not even read the Mahabharata. He earlier said Yoga did not originate in India.
This responses are typical from Flex, Indradev etc. You and I attack concepts, they attack people. Leave them to it. It is clear to the objective reader they have no substance. You and I provide hard facts. Let us continue with our Arya dharma and let them continue with the troll dharma.[/QUOTE]
This is a good start Surya. I’ll contact A R Rahman so he can compose an upbeat score. You and Friedrich practice your dance routines (who’s the stright guy?). Leave everything to me and I’ll have you guys prancing down the red carpet come Oscar season.
May have to change the old testament theme thing a bit. Violence is good, but can you find some sexy bits? Just try to resist casting any girls under 16. I’ve read about old Hindu men’s preference for marrying the young ones. Won’t go over well out here. Round up some lower caste filthy untouchable bastards to haul the equipment around on the cheap, and we’re set.
Try this one on for size
Google: “Barbaric Acts Hindu Scripture Story” I’m sure if you gave it a full ten seconds you could come up with even better search words. Perhaps you’ll win the ultimate booby prize and stumble upon an organization of hateful extremists who have all this stuff conveniently organized for you too easy copy and paste.
LOL
and . . . What fun we will have!!!
Not.
I’ve got more important things to do.
Like meditate on some stuff.
GOD SOMETIMES I REALLY LOVE CHASTISING THE MISCREANTS!!!