Is the OT the most barbaric and savage scripture in the world?

Yep, eurocentric historians want to trace everything back to the Greeks, even the ideas of atoms. However, the Greeks never actually took atoms seriously and it was flatly rejected by Aristotle who preferred fantasy ideas like matter consisting of forms. In addition Democritus’s philosophy of atoms was based on naive speculation and is actually wrong according to moderns science, such as the notion that atoms come in different shapes. In contrast, Indian theories of atoms were highly developed and had a really long history of development, long before Democritus theorized them. They were partly based on empirical observation observed in chemical reactions.

Not only were Indian theories of well ahead of the Greeks, they were also well ahead of Dalton who theorized atoms as being hard solid things that could not be split open. In contrast, Indian atomic theory conceptualized atoms as having no magnitude at all, but infinifesimal points in space, which only gained massive property after a process of aggregation. Modern atomic theory is almost identical to Indian atomic theory. The similarities are stagging in how the Indian atomic theory posits atoms combine first in pairs, then pairs combine to form triplet atoms, whose various combinations then go onto form all matter. It states that atoms only combine if the consistuent particles are compatible(similar to electron valencies) and describes the states of matter(solid, liquid, gas) as atoms with different levels of kinetic energy. Vaiseshika explain that the liquid state of matter arises when the atomic bonds are broken in the solid state through the application of heat energy, causing the atoms to reorganize into a liquid state.

In fact the accuracy with how the atomic process is described suggests this is not philosophy at all, but empirical knowledge.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46760]Yep, eurocentric historians want to trace everything back to the Greeks, even the ideas of atoms. However, the Greeks never actually took atoms seriously and it was flatly rejected by Aristotle who preferred fantasy ideas like matter consisting of forms. In addition Democritus’s philosophy of atoms was based on naive speculation and is actually wrong according to moderns science, such as the notion that atoms come in different shapes. In contrast, Indian theories of atoms were highly developed and had a really long history of development, long before Democritus theorized them. They were partly based on empirical observation observed in chemical reactions.

Not only were Indian theories of well ahead of the Greeks, they were also well ahead of Dalton who theorized atoms as being hard solid things that could not be split open. In contrast, Indian atomic theory conceptualized atoms as having no magnitude at all, but infinifesimal points in space, which only gained massive property after a process of aggregation. Modern atomic theory is almost identical to Indian atomic theory. The similarities are stagging in how the Indian atomic theory posits atoms combine first in pairs, then pairs combine to form triplet atoms, whose various combinations then go onto form all matter. It states that atoms only combine if the consistuent particles are compatible(similar to electron valencies) and describes the states of matter(solid, liquid, gas) as atoms with different levels of kinetic energy. Vaiseshika explain that the liquid state of matter arises when the atomic bonds are broken in the solid state through the application of heat energy, causing the atoms to reorganize into a liquid state.

In fact the accuracy with how the atomic process is described suggests this is not philosophy at all, but empirical knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Oh I knew most of that from researching a bit on the Indian atomic theories…but Eurocentrists won’t get out of their bubbles…

And you didn’t answer my other question…:cry:

It is actually quite obscene and criminal for Western history books to ignore the massive contributions Indians have made, because the Indians are the first scientific civilsation on this planet and were far ahead of the Greeks and even the modern Europeans. Isn’t it very telling that Europe learned how to manufacture steel by reverse engineering Indian steel which was produced through ancient metallugical techniques? Indians had been manufacturing steel since 500BCE :smiley: An attempt was made at patenting a zinc extraction process which was Indian, but the the patent was denied because it was blatantly known at the time it was Indian.

Fortunately, there are quite a lot of Western intellectuals who have noted the Indian contributions. However, despite the fact all these things are facts, still modern Western textbooks do not credit the Indians with anything. It is either Greek, or it is Egyptian and Sumerian. If not them, the Chinese. It’s very clear the West is jealous of heathen India.

Yes, I can speak Hindi :smiley:

Ap punjabi hei? Apko Punjabi bat karna ata hei? My Hindi has deteriorated ever since my family moved to the U.S and neglected to teach me, so correct any informal usage, unidiomatic expressions, and just…bad Hindi. :smiley:

And I love how I just keep seeing “This message is hidden because Indra Deva is on your ignore list.” Poor chap. He either must not have realized by now or must be insulting you instead of me…

For those of you trying to figure out what the hell SD & Baby-Nietzsche are rambling about…

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Hinduism/2001/05/The-Perils-Of-Vedic-Science.aspx

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2101/stories/20040116001408700.htm

some light reading on the socio-political & pseudo-scientific that is post-modernist Hindutva

I can speak Hindi and Punjabi. I cannot read and write in Hindi and Punjabi though

And I love how I just keep seeing “This message is hidden because Indra Deva is on your ignore list.” Poor chap. He either must not have realized by now or must be insulting you instead of me…

He is just trolling as usual by posting strawmans of what we are saying. Nothing to see. Keep him on ignore :smiley:

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46767]I can speak Hindi and Punjabi. I cannot read and write in Hindi and Punjabi though[/QUOTE]

Alas! What a pity…I too suffered the same fate. How I wish I could write in our script…the horizontal bars from which our squiggily lines and beautiful shapes emerge…and then proceed to read my poor caligraphy…it is too painful to imagine!

Haha. Will do. Seeing the alert is far more entertaining than trashing him in a debate and watching him troll.

I have had several opportunities to learn the script of Hindi, Punjabi and even Sanskrit but I have been a bit lazy in commiting the time and effort. I will learn them when I am in India.

That is what I wish to do as well. I want to learn Tamil and Sanskrit and re-learn Hindi. Sanskrit won’t be too much of a stretch since we already speak Hindi. And as for Tamil…I am not really sure. I have heard some accounts of it being thousands of years old, even older than Sanskrit…I don’t know what to believe nowadays considering the damage Eurocentrists have done to our history. But learning a South Indian language would be interesting nevertheless.

Speaking of Tamil, are you aware of the antics in Tamil Nadu? The government run by Christianized former Dalits bans the uttering of Sanskrit, favours religions other than Hinduism, and persecutes Brahmins…unfortunate since many of the greatest Indians from that area are Brahmins. Not surprisingly, they believe in the discredited AIT…thought it is most likely they are using it as an excuse to persecute Brahmins…

Here is another sources on Indian atomism:

Encyclopaedia of the Hindu world:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0U2QRpDv2KMC&pg=PA790&lpg=PA790&dq=hindu+atomic+theory&source=bl&ots=k-RiDrZMB0&sig=puTv8yWaXmr82FWJuaX4P3M2qiI&hl=en&ei=o_gjTeSdIsHPhAeU0vm3Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46773]Here is another sources on Indian atomism:

Encyclopaedia of the Hindu world:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0U2QRpDv2KMC&pg=PA790&lpg=PA790&dq=hindu+atomic+theory&source=bl&ots=k-RiDrZMB0&sig=puTv8yWaXmr82FWJuaX4P3M2qiI&hl=en&ei=o_gjTeSdIsHPhAeU0vm3Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false[/QUOTE]

“One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh.” ~ Robert Heinlein

So Surya is not in India and is a Sikh and Nietzche is not in India and is a Hindu and neither of you can write or read Hindi and Punjabi…well honestly…

[QUOTE=kareng;47137]So Surya is not in India and is a Sikh and Nietzche is not in India and is a Hindu and neither of you can write or read Hindi and Punjabi…well honestly…[/QUOTE]

LOL good points all. :smiley:

No…

[QUOTE=sweetapple;47171]No…[/QUOTE]

Yes…

[QUOTE=kareng;47137]So Surya is not in India and is a Sikh and Nietzche is not in India and is a Hindu and neither of you can write or read Hindi and Punjabi…well honestly…[/QUOTE]

Hinduism is a religion, not a country. India is the holy land of this religion. In the same way Islam is a religion, not a country. Mecca is the hoy land of this religion. In the same way Judaism is a religion, not a country. Jerusalem is the holy land of this religion.

I am born Sikh, but I am a Hindu convert.

Does that clear up your doubts?

My teeny brain had to work that one out but yes, your right, but you know it was just to stir you…

I knew you were a Sikh that had converted to Hinduism. A religious traitor that went to the other side. Remember what happened to Darth?!

The jump from Sikhism to Hinduism is not that big. The vast majority of Sikhism is based on Hinduism directly. I see it more like going from a limited perspective and taking the higher perspective the former was embedded in: sanatana dharma.

Many Sikh people, if they are true to themselves, will realise that they’re really hindus.

[QUOTE=kareng;47137]So Surya is not in India and is a Sikh and Nietzche is not in India and is a Hindu and neither of you can write or read Hindi and Punjabi…well honestly…[/quote].

I grew up in India. I could read and write Hindi then. Then my parents moved back to America (I was born in America first, but my family moved to India after a few months) and neglected to teach me Hindi. Because all my friends spoke English (and I, a lack of English :(), I wanted to conform and thus, put more emphasis on learning English. I was only a small child then (6 or 7) so do not blame me.

By the way, I am not Punjabi. I am ancestrally a Rajput, Rajasthani in other words.

[QUOTE=kareng;47252]My teeny brain had to work that one out but yes, your right, but you know it was just to stir you…

I knew you were a Sikh that had converted to Hinduism. A religious traitor that went to the other side. Remember what happened to Darth?![/QUOTE]

And your point is…what? Is your non-Indian side influencing you and trying to force you to be racist again?