[QUOTE=Indra Deva;46711]You didn’t imply at all, you straight out insisted.[/QUOTE]
Whoops you are right. Thank you for pointing out an inconsistency. I didn’t mean to make it, but I often make them when my thought process and my attempt to convey what I am thinking converge.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;46713]Have you considered that India doesn’t want to get involved in another countries affairs because it can’t afford to create animosities in the region? What do you think will happen to the emotions in the region if we start helping the masses (as much as we would like to) in Burma and spreading democracy in a place surrounded by totalitarian and communist regimes? It would be a political advantage for China and Pakistan who would do anything to weaken India.
Of course you fail to consider this. As much as it seems nice to help the oppressed, you simply have to consider the larger picture and think for yourself first in the international politics scale.[/quote]
So, your defense of India’s support of the Myanmar military regime’s crimes against humanity is a “go along to get along” mindset? That it’s better to look the other way to “maintain regional stability”? Seriously???
Really, your position is totally Pro-India at the cost of innocent lives. India does more trade with Burma than anyone else in the region & probably the world. Shouldn’t they do something, or should they just ignore genocide? Should we all just ignore genocides if it’s to our advantage? How many of your Hindutva blood brotherhood agree with this insane stance?
Even the U.S supported dictatorships and regimes that suppressed the masses for their own interests. But does your Western supremacist mind absorb that? Not likely.
You don’t think before you post, do you? Maybe we should have board members pass a Turing test… some members may be bots. They sure answer like Hindutva algorithms…
I will not engage in a " who’s is better" argument with you. I will again say that all religions have their faults. My only real opinion is that everyone needs to take a look at their religions, take note of what is wrong with them, and learn from it.
Why not? Why will you not acknowledge who is better? We know all things have their faults, but not all things have the same amount of faults. I acknowledge the faults in Puranic and Bhakti Hinduism, and would prefer they are removed to have a pure faultless Vedic Hinduism divested of superstition, mysticism and mythology. However, the faults of Puranic and Bhakti Hinduism are like virtues compared to the faults of the Abrahamic religions, which include genocide, infanticide, raping women etc
I have a problem with relativist and pacifist mindsets like your own, because nobody can be a relativst, everybody has to accept some position in the end and then they have to either fight for that position or end up being defeated. You are living in a Christianized world. If you have a problem with that, then do something about it. I for one do not want to live in a Christianized world.
[QUOTE=Star Light;46714]I will not engage in a " who’s is better" argument with you. I will again say that all religions have their faults. My only real opinion is that everyone needs to take a look at their religions, take note of what is wrong with them, and learn from it.[/QUOTE]
And that is where you fail to understand that some religions have more faults than others. Some followers of those religions have not changed even after centuries. They keep using and abusing while we Hindus keep tolerating and tolerating. Enough is enough. Hindus should recognize evil for what it is and not hide behind the curtain of niceties and political correctness.
Note that we don’t want to destroy the religions themselves. We seek to eradicate the bad in those religions and ameliorate the negative influences Abrahamic religions have had in the world through intellectual awareness. Only then will there be a hope for peace.
THAT IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF YOUR RESPONSE TO ME ON INDIA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT OF “MYANMAR”.
Again you prove yourself a flaming hypocritical troll.
Note that we don’t want to destroy the religions themselves. We seek to eradicate the bad in those religions and ameliorate the negative influences Abrahamic religions have had in the world through intellectual awareness. Only then will there be a hope for peace.
There will only be peace when you destroy all the religions you don’t like? Do you guys listen to yourselves or do you just mindlessly regurgitate whatever drivel your Hindutva programmers shove down your throat? :roll:
I respect people who have well defined viewpoints on life and the world and fight for that viewpoint. It shows that they have the courage to think and speak freely. I have little respect for what I consider to be intellectuals cowards who maintain all viewspoints are relative and do not fight to maintain their viewpoint that all is relative.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;46710]I never said anyone from the US has the same values. I implied that most Americans have different degrees of certain biases (Christian and Western) and ignorance. It is the heritage of America. It is the environment you grew up in. I too live in the U.S you know.
Besides, I was raised in India. I was taught to love all and see the good in all. Until I figured out how much B.S that was. What did I see in the world? Deceitful dissemination of Christianized/Westernized propaganda (affecting everything), no improvement from Christians and Muslims even after centuries of having the opportunity to learn, intolerance, and so forth. Muslims still hate Hindus and Christians still scorn Hindus and seek to undermine them. The West has a subconscious aversion to Hinduism, as evidenced by the posts of many of these supposed fair minded people. Look at Flex Penguin’s posts, in which he implies Indian Bollywood actors are gay because they dance, makes fun of our skin color, says “old Indian men have a preference for younger men,” and so forth. Look at Indra Deva’s post which basically says the West can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants (and then tries to cover it up by saying, but its the truth). But of course, you don’t see those posts and instead choose to harp on a veritable truth said by someone who isn’t PC like the rest of the people on these forums.
Now, I won’t go ahead and make any assumptions yet. You are new to the forums and haven’t posted much so I can’t discern much from that. What I am interested in seeing (and will take note of) is the level of Western bias you have. I doubt it is more than negligible but hey, many people on these forums said much the same thing you are saying now and ended up posting anti-Hindu links and defaming India and Hinduism.[/QUOTE]
I think it is disgusting that someone would make fun of someone based on skin color, or if they choose to make their living acting in a Bollywood movie (I happen to think that they are vibrant films and enjoy watching them). I also do not believe that the West can do whatever they want whenever they want, and if they do they need to be held accountable for that. I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I happen to think that Indian culture is joyful, vibrant, and spiritual. I have no intent of defaming India or Hinduism. I also have no intent of putting down the US. I do recognize that the US has done many questionable things in the past, but the same can be said for cultures across the globe.
What does India’s support for Myamar have anything to do with this discussion or Hinduism? That is a matter of Indian politics and if you want to discuss it, post a thread in the community forum.
do recognize that the US has done many questionable things in the past, but the same can be said for cultures across the globe.
Yeah, and two wrongs have never made a right. You don’t ignore wrong things just because there are wrong things elsewhere too, you put what is wrong right.
This is what we are doing by pointing out how barbaric the OT part of the bible is and how the OT should be removed from the bible. How is this different from my insistance that the Bhakti and Puranic Hinduism should be removed from Hinduism.
We should strive towards something which is faultless and free of error. Why tolerate faults and errors? First, let us begin with the most severe of faults and errors in religion and that is Christianity and Christian ideology that rules this world. Let us purge this world of that errorneous ideology and replace it with what is right. The future generations of humans will thank us for it.
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;46716]So, your defense of India’s support of the Myanmar military regime’s crimes against humanity is a “go along to get along” mindset? That it’s better to look the other way to “maintain regional stability”? Seriously???
Really, your position is totally Pro-India at the cost of innocent lives. India does more trade with Burma than anyone else in the region & probably the world. Shouldn’t they do something, or should they just ignore genocide? Should we all just ignore genocides if it’s to our advantage? How many of your Hindutva blood brotherhood agree with this insane stance?[/QUOTE]
Alas! Look at how America refused to help the revolutionaries in the French Revolution! They used political expediency for the sake of their nation when they knew France and Britain, the two most powerful nations in Europe, would be at their heels from that moment on! They cozied up to the pre-Communist dictatorship regime in Cuba while ignoring the cries of the people who suffered! What tyranny! They conquered Haiti so the Germans wouldn’t find a stronghold in the Caribbean! What a violation of Democratic principles! America once aspired to conquer Canada, Cuba, and any other Central American lands they found fit to turn into a slave state or a state meant to balance the Senate equilibrium between the North and South! How atrocious! America isn’t helping the “oppressed” people of China, Vietnam, Cuba, Burma, and other communist/totalitarian regimes by providing aid and weapons! How hypocritical! They ignored the genocides in Rwanda, this powerhouse of democracy and liberty! How Satanic!
After your post, I just realized how much of a anti-Hindu and anti-Indian you were. First of all, I never said India supported Burma. They merely just don’t want to get involved in any messes, especially when India itself is in a state of growth. Second of all
http://www.indiaonestop.com/tradepartners/indias_trade_partners.html
you are the most idiotic American I have ever met. Burma is not even on the top most countries India trades with list. Once again, where the hell do you get your info? Confirm the facts in the link provided by using other sources if you don’t trust this one.
You are like the typical American person I find on the streets protesting against or for something that holds his tiny mind in rapture. I have already told you what would happen if India did help (as much as it wants to). Instability in that region will be caused. The economy and resources of India would be laid to waste especially when its infrastructure and economy still needs much development. Pakistan and China, nations who seek to undermine the us, will gain political leeway and influence. The region will turn into a hell-hole, with tense relations, militarization, and greater chances of war (especially with Pakistan). India at such a precarious stage cannot help Burma, kind of like how America couldn’t help France because it was a developing country and had too many European powers resenting it (and I actually agreed with this decision). Of course, stupid Americans at that time were furious, given their lack of intelligence and foresight. Once again, your info is so ****** up. India’s current government is [B]anti-Hindu.[/B] Too bad for that argument eh?
In all honesty, once again, I wish India could help Burma. But we have to be in a position of considerable strength and influence to do so and helping Burma at this stage will only cause greater harm for both India and Burma.
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;46722]THAT IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF YOUR RESPONSE TO ME ON INDIA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT OF “MYANMAR”.
Again you prove yourself a flaming hypocritical troll.
There will only be peace when you destroy all the religions you don’t like? Do you guys listen to yourselves or do you just mindlessly regurgitate whatever drivel your Hindutva programmers shove down your throat? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Actually, when you consider the facts and REASON my post has and the LACK of facts your post had, you would see how much of a hypocritical troll you are. All you do is post highly dramatized and pathos arousing comments with little substance (Moderators 1 week temp ban for Nietzsche plsthnks or something to that effect).
Neitzsche it has become apparent to me with my discussion with Indra Deva earlier on another thread that he is very ignorant about Hinduism, Indian history and India, and willfully so. So I suggest it is best to ignore discussion on this matter with him as he not qualified to discuss these matters with us, and refuses to learn from us due to his anti-Hindu and anti-India hatred. One should not throw pearls before swines.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46728]Yeah, and two wrongs have never made a right. You don’t ignore wrong things just because there are wrong things elsewhere too, you put what is wrong right.
This is what we are doing by pointing out how barbaric the OT part of the bible is and how the OT should be removed from the bible. How is this different from my insistance that the Bhakti and Puranic Hinduism should be removed from Hinduism.
We should strive towards something which is faultless and free of error. Why tolerate faults and errors? First, let us begin with the most severe of faults and errors in religion and that is Christianity and Christian ideology that rules this world. Let us purge this world of that errorneous ideology and replace it with what is right. The future generations of humans will thank us for it.[/QUOTE]
I also do not think that 2 wrongs make a right. I have been trying (in my little community) to educate people on how hypocritical the bible is. I don’t think purging the world of any religion is the answer. Learning from the mistakes religions have made in the past is a much more peaceful way to go about it.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46726]What does India’s support for Myamar have anything to do with this discussion or Hinduism? That is a matter of Indian politics and if you want to discuss it, post a thread in the community forum.[/QUOTE]
What does Christianity/Judaism/Islam have to do with activities of Middle Eastern & Western Governments or the media activities of their countries?
If Christianity has negative effects on Western governments, then Hinduism has negative effects (obviously) on Indian government.
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;46734]What does Christianity/Judaism/Islam have to do with activities of Middle Eastern & Western Governments or the media activities of their countries?
If Christianity has negative effects on Western governments, then Hinduism has negative effects (obviously) on Indian government.[/QUOTE]
You have obviously not read any contents of my post. As always, you are scared to reply to someone who has crushed your viewpoints. There is no point in debating with someone whose mind is as addled yours. I do not understand how you imply you are more knowledgeable about Yoga and Hinduism when you go around spreading misconceptions about it and proved you have’t learned anything from it by saying puerile things like, “All the hot [Indian women] I know don’t cook nearly as well as their mothers.” “I have screwed too many of them…” Really? Such hormonal-teenager-like remarks when you have a girlfriend?
You’re going on my ignore list. No need to waste time with trolls like you.
America can’t help other countries for blahblahblah all the same reasons you offered for India standing by & supporting the Myanmar genocidal government…
See how that works, you hypocrites? :rolleyes:
& according to Schopenhauer :D, ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE RIGHT.
After your post, I just realized how much of a anti-Hindu and anti-Indian you were. First of all, I never said India supported Burma. They merely just don’t want to get involved in any messes, especially when India itself is in a state of growth. Second of all
http://www.indiaonestop.com/tradepartners/indias_trade_partners.html
you are the most idiotic American I have ever met. Burma is not even on the top most countries India trades with list. Once again, where the hell do you get your info? Confirm the facts in the link provided by using other sources if you don’t trust this one.
You dispute the following (Wiki entry)? Are these all wrong?
India is the largest market for Burmese exports, buying about USD 220 million worth of goods in 2000; India’s exports to Burma stood at USD 75.36 million.[1] India is Burma?s 4th largest trading partner after Thailand, China and Singapore, and second largest export market after Thailand, absorbing 25 percent of its total exports.[5] India is also the seventh most important source of Burma?s imports. The governments of India and Burma had set a target of achieving $1 billion and bilateral trade reached USD 650 million U.S. dollars by 2006.[5] The Indian government has worked to extend air, land and sea routes to strengthen trade links with Myanmar and establish a gas pipeline.[5][3] While the involvement of India’s private sector has been low and growing at a slow pace, both governments are proceeding to enhance cooperation in agriculture, telecommunications, information technology, steel, oil, natural gas, hydrocarbons and food processing.[3][5] The bilateral border trade agreement of 1994 provides for border trade to be carried out from three designated border points, one each in Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland.[5]
On February 13, 2001 India and Burma inaugurated a major 160 kilometre highway, called the Indo-Myanmar Friendship Road, built mainly by the Indian Army’s Border Roads Organisation and aimed to provide a major strategic and commercial transport route connecting North-East India which connects South Asia with Southeast Asia.[1]
You offer all support for India when it offers a ridiculous amount of support to an immediately neighboring genocidal government, meanwhile you fanatics want to complain about some alleged atrocities some 2500-3000yrs old.
This is where you prove that your priorities are obviously totally out of whack.
You are like the typical American person I find on the streets protesting against or for something that holds his tiny mind in rapture.
I’m truly glad that the few Hindutva maniacs on this forum aren’t my typical experience of Indian people, they don’t get so much enjoyment out of antisemitism like you guys do.
I have already told you what would happen if India did help (as much as it wants to). Instability in that region will be caused. The economy and resources of India would be laid to waste especially when its infrastructure and economy still needs much development. Pakistan and China, nations who seek to undermine the us, will gain political leeway and influence. The region will turn into a hell-hole, with tense relations, militarization, and greater chances of war (especially with Pakistan). India at such a precarious stage cannot help Burma, kind of like how America couldn’t help France because it was a developing country and had too many European powers resenting it (and I actually agreed with this decision). Of course, stupid Americans at that time were furious, given their lack of intelligence and foresight. Once again, your info is so ****** up. India’s current government is [B]anti-Hindu.[/B] Too bad for that argument eh?
So… how old is Hinduism? How long as it had to get things right? and yet, according to you, not even INDIA’S government is supportive of the country’s ancient religion?
Yeah, you guys are screwed. You’ll never win this debate. Apparently, even INDIA has outgrown your ancient belief system. Oh, what will you do? 
In all honesty, once again, I wish India could help Burma. But we have to be in a position of considerable strength and influence to do so and helping Burma at this stage will only cause greater harm for both India and Burma.
War, even just war, always causes harm to both parties, but sometimes you have to take risks to do the right thing. Unfortunately, you’ve never learned that important lesson. How sad. :-?
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;46737]You have obviously not read any contents of my post. As always, you are scared to reply to someone who has crushed your viewpoints. There is no point in debating with someone whose mind is as addled with you. I do not understand how you imply you are more knowledgeable about Yoga and Hinduism when you go around spreading misconceptions about it and proved you have’t learned anything from it by saying puerile things like, “All the hot [Indian women] I know don’t cook nearly as well as their mothers.” “I have screwed too many of them…” Really? Such hormonal-teenager-like remarks when you have a girlfriend?
You’re going on my ignore list. No need to waste time with trolls like you.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry you’re still a virgin. 
& my girlfriend doesn’t mind that I’ve had sex with Indian women because she has too.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;46732]Neitzsche it has become apparent to me with my discussion with Indra Deva earlier on another thread that he is very ignorant about Hinduism, Indian history and India, and willfully so. So I suggest it is best to ignore discussion on this matter with him as he not qualified to discuss these matters with us, and refuses to learn from us due to his anti-Hindu and anti-India hatred. One should not throw pearls before swines.[/QUOTE]
It is not without reason that I suspect people of being anti-Hindu/Indian you know.
[QUOTE=Star Light;46733]I also do not think that 2 wrongs make a right. I have been trying (in my little community) to educate people on how hypocritical the bible is. I don’t think purging the world of any religion is the answer. Learning from the mistakes religions have made in the past is a much more peaceful way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
What happens to Christianity if you take out from it the following:
The OT from the bible
The doctrine of original sin
the doctrine of resurrection
the doctrine of judgement day and eternal damantion/salvation
the doctrine of Jesus being the only son of god
the confession rituals
the clergy
the creation myth
The result is you have no Christianity left. All of the above doctrines are false doctrines and most have been falsified.
Why are we clinging to a falsified religion? Why not instead adopt a religion that has not been falsified?
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;46741]It is not without reason that I suspect people of being anti-Hindu/Indian you know.[/QUOTE]
& you guys are anti-Everything Else. Who’s better in your opinion: people who would be anti-one religion or anti-one localized ethnic pool, or you guys who are anti-The Entire Western World & Their Religions?
