Is Yoga Hinduism?

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#1021

You make some false presumptions. You don’t allow for a creator endowing humans with a free will.

You presume a God who permits evil would be “perverse,” but are not seeing it from the perspective of a God who sees the eternal soul of the person doing the suffering. Besides, if you or another yogi have attained oneness with the godhead, why aren’t you ending the suffering?

I don’t presume to know the mind of God, or to understand how an infinite mind thinks, when mine is puny and finite, though my common sense tells me an infinite God does not have the “trouble” of creating anything, and it would be entirely effortless.

I think God has given human beings the gift of free will–to be able to choose to love and serve Him, and live happily ever after, or to be able to reject and spurn Him, and live in the eternal Hell which they prefer.

Christians think their supremacy and bigotry is “love.” I had no idea that they also think the lack of choices their “god” accords them is “free will.”

Christians are…sigh*

#1022

?Finding The Guru? is a docudrama based on the classic spiritual book ?Autobiography of a Yogi? written by Paramhansa Yogananda.

The docudrama focuses on the quest, zeal and determination of Yogananda in finding his guru.

?Finding The Guru? can also be considered as the three landmark meetings which led to the beginning of the revival of the hidden science of Kriya Yoga to the masses: Meeting of Lahiri Mahasaya with his revered guru Babaji, meeting of Bhagabati Charan Ghosh (Father of Yogananda) with Lahiri Mahasaya and Yogananda?s meeting with Sri Yukteshwar Giri. These were the three historic meetings which eventually led to the spread of the ancient Kriya key to the west.

For further information: order@ranjanshandilyaproductions.com

#1023

[QUOTE=ranjanshandilya;53979]?Finding The Guru? is a docudrama based on the classic spiritual book ?Autobiography of a Yogi? written by Paramhansa Yogananda.

The docudrama focuses on the quest, zeal and determination of Yogananda in finding his guru.

?Finding The Guru? can also be considered as the three landmark meetings which led to the beginning of the revival of the hidden science of Kriya Yoga to the masses: Meeting of Lahiri Mahasaya with his revered guru Babaji, meeting of Bhagabati Charan Ghosh (Father of Yogananda) with Lahiri Mahasaya and Yogananda?s meeting with Sri Yukteshwar Giri. These were the three historic meetings which eventually led to the spread of the ancient Kriya key to the west.

For further information: order@ranjanshandilyaproductions.com[/QUOTE]

David where are the scissors ?

#1024

[QUOTE=anderson111;54100]Yoga is not a Hinduism, its a Culture…
Yoga is Universal[/QUOTE]

Yoga is a part of Hinduism that is universal. It is called a [B]philosophy[/B]. There are many philosophical subsets of Hinduism. Yoga is one.

#1025

[QUOTE=anderson111;54100]Yoga is not a Hinduism, its a Culture…
Yoga is Universal[/QUOTE]

Culture : Definition. Wikiped.

(a) An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning.
(b) The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group.

Please elaborate how you propose to segregate an integral part of Hindu "values, goals, and practices " from Hinduisim.

#1026

[QUOTE=reaswaran;54290]Culture : Definition. Wikiped.

(a) An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning.
(b) The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group.

Please elaborate how you propose to segregate an integral part of Hindu "values, goals, and practices " from Hinduisim.[/QUOTE]

By liberalizing it to the point where Westerners can claim it for themselves, of course! It is already happening and these mlecchas are doing a fine job of it.

#1027

David, posted to this part of the forum as well in case you’d rather have the ‘discussion’ continued here.

Looking at Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, there doesn’t seem to be a reference to Hinduism or use of the term Hindu.
Also, The Hatha Yoga Pradipika does not seem to use the term Hindu.

Logically, if yoga was based upon Hinduism, 2 of the biggest works in the history of yoga would use the term Hindu.

I think we can conclude that sanskrit is a profound and accurate language. It seems unlikely that the term Hindu would be omitted if Hinduism predates yoga.

If someone could provide me with a sanskrit verse from an important work on yoga, around the same time or before Patanjali that uses the term ‘Hindu’ I’d be interested.

#1028

Terence,

The word “Hindu” does not occur anywhere in any of the texts of India, because the word “Hindu” is foreign. It was originally used by the Persians to refer to the people who lived beyond the river Sindu, which they pronounced as Hindu. The British when classifying the religions of India, referred to the Vedic religion as “Hinduism”

The actual term Indians have used to describe their religion is dharma. Two very popular Indian words for what foreigners term Hinduism, is Vedic dharma or Santana dharma.

#1029

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54361]Terence,

The word “Hindu” does not occur anywhere in any of the texts of India, because the word “Hindu” is foreign. It was originally used by the Persians to refer to the people who lived beyond the river Sindu, which they pronounced as Hindu. The British when classifying the religions of India, referred to the Vedic religion as “Hinduism”

The actual term Indians have used to describe their religion is dharma. Two very popular Indian words for what foreigners term Hinduism, is Vedic dharma or Santana dharma.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. That’s all we needed to know.

#1030

[QUOTE=Terence;54358]David, posted to this part of the forum as well in case you’d rather have the ‘discussion’ continued here.

Looking at Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, there doesn’t seem to be a reference to Hinduism or use of the term Hindu.
Also, The Hatha Yoga Pradipika does not seem to use the term Hindu.

Logically, if yoga was based upon Hinduism, 2 of the biggest works in the history of yoga would use the term Hindu.

I think we can conclude that sanskrit is a profound and accurate language. It seems unlikely that the term Hindu would be omitted if Hinduism predates yoga.

If someone could provide me with a sanskrit verse from an important work on yoga, around the same time or before Patanjali that uses the term ‘Hindu’ I’d be interested.[/QUOTE]

You will not find the word Hinduism used in any of the old texts. Because “Hindu” is a term used by Moghul invaders to describe the people who settled by the river Sindhu. I daresayit was originally Sindu which got corrupted to Hindu. You find the philosophy simply referred to as Sanatana Dharma. - a literal transalation is the path which holds all together.

#1031

And now a Hindu is a word that has just stuck. If I tell somebody my religion is Vedic dharma or Sanathana dharma, most times I will get a confused look, “Hey, never heard that before, whats that?” then you describe it a little, and they will exclaim, “Oh, Hinduism”

So rather than complaining about the nomenclature, we have to embrace it. Pretty much how we embrace the word Bollywood now, which again was a word applied by foriengers to the Hindi film industry, and which ended up sticking.

#1032

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;54396]And now a Hindu is a word that has just stuck. If I tell somebody my religion is Vedic dharma or Sanathana dharma, most times I will get a confused look, “Hey, never heard that before, whats that?” then you describe it a little, and they will exclaim, “Oh, Hinduism”

So rather than complaining about the nomenclature, we have to embrace it. Pretty much how we embrace the word Bollywood now, which again was a word applied by foriengers to the Hindi film industry, and which ended up sticking.[/QUOTE]

So yes, “Hinduism” predates Yoga.

Its so simple, even a caveman could get it.

#1033

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;54560]So yes, “Hinduism” predates Yoga.

Its so simple, even a caveman could get it.[/QUOTE]

The caveman must have a been Hindu then…

#1034

[QUOTE=kareng;54570]The caveman must have a been Hindu then…[/QUOTE

Yes, a follower of Sanatan Dharma.

#1035

Personally, I believe the cavemen were just survivors of a previous civilisation, and passed down the legacy of the previous civilisation and its dharmic tradition in the form of an oral tradition.

#1036

[QUOTE=kareng;54570]The caveman must have a been Hindu then…[/QUOTE]

OMG! How right you are!

This is the greatest discovery in the history of history!!

#1037

Yes, the knowledge must have been passed down…I’m still thinking about it…

#1038

History and the evolution of culture can’t be put into black and white.

The earliest record of Hatha Yoga gos back to the Indus Valley civilization. Obviously, it was based upon and came after the Vedic Dharma that existed before this time.

Are modern day Hindus practicing Vedic Dharma of the early bronze age? Human sacrifice has long been discontinued so obviously not.

Modern day Hinduism/Vedic Dharma owes its origins to the Vedic Dharma that preceded it, of which Yoga is an intregal part. The Vedic Dharma of the early Indus Valley was a more rajasic, less refined version which has greatly changed in subsequent millenia.

Obviously, Yoga is a part of Vedic science and by the time of Patanjali(arguably the greatest refinement of yoga) came after the commencement of Vedic Dharma. Obviously, modern day Hinduism has greatly changed since 2000BC, and owes its refinement more to the Vedic Yogi sages than the meat eating Vedic priests who would slash a mans throat to appease the gods.

#1039

[QUOTE=Terence;54656]History and the evolution of culture can’t be put into black and white.

The earliest record of Hatha Yoga gos back to the Indus Valley civilization. Obviously, it was based upon and came after the Vedic Dharma that existed before this time.

Are modern day Hindus practicing Vedic Dharma of the early bronze age? Human sacrifice has long been discontinued so obviously not.

Modern day Hinduism/Vedic Dharma owes its origins to the Vedic Dharma that preceded it, of which Yoga is an intregal part. The Vedic Dharma of the early Indus Valley was a more rajasic, less refined version which has greatly changed in subsequent millenia.

Obviously, Yoga is a part of Vedic science and by the time of Patanjali(arguably the greatest refinement of yoga) came after the commencement of Vedic Dharma. Obviously, modern day Hinduism has greatly changed since 2000BC, and owes its refinement more to the Vedic Yogi sages than the meat eating Vedic priests who would slash a mans throat to appease the gods.[/QUOTE]

Can you quote the text which states that Vedic Dharma had human sacrifice as a component ? I have read a fair amount of the scriptures and have never yet come across a Vedic Sage slashing a man’s throat !!

As also the reasoning behind your statement that Vedic Dharma earlier was more rajasic ?

Patanjali is only a compiler of then existing thought. He has never laid a claim to original contributions.

Sanatana Dharma is the original name of what is referred to as Vedic Dharma or Hinduism today. A central tenet is the divinity of all living beings.

#1040

Indus seals depict human sacrifice. Rajendralal Mitra argued that human sacrifice in India had Vedic origins. ‘Sati,’ where a widow must throw herself in fire or be scorned, continued up to fairly recent times. Sati is an example of human sacrifice and a lack of awareness to the principles of ahisma, which occurs or continues to occur after the compilation of the main Yogic texts. As I said, the history of evolution is not a black and white subject.

Taking the human sacrifice subject aside, modern day Hinduism has clearly changed and evolved since ancient times. One of the main reasons for this has been the works of the Yogi sages. Yoga in turn is part of and is rooted in the ancient science Vedic Dharma.

I would agree that Patanjali and Swatmarama didn’t necessarily come up with something new, however their works systematized and compiled the practice so well that they can be considered revolutionary.

Taking into account that ‘Hindu’ is an adapted term for Vedic Dharma, to say that ‘Hinduism predates Yoga’ or ‘Yoga predates Hinduism’ are both childlike assumptions.