Is it possible that Jesus could have been a yogi and this is why he had great healing powers?
I like questions you ask:) you are thinking too much! go meditate about it and let us know what came up
This seems to be a common belief among Kriya yogi’s.
We create words to understand/describe a phenomenon, but in the process make the phenomenon unreal. ‘Yoga’ was once a new, alien word here. It was a natural human need to frame it in order to deal with it. So, asana, bringing physical well-being became its mascot. Its origins tainted it with Hindu religion. Its simultaneous physicality and spirituality was unpalatable, so while the former was embraced, the latter was either chopped off or scoffed at. But, we were at last at peace with this new immigrant to our vocab. Then, the aggression to succeed to survive took charge and ?yoga? became one of the most marketable labels. Familiarity with yoga, the word, grew enormously; but, also grew the alienation with yoga, the concept. If one truly discovers and espouses yoga as a way of life, ?Jesus was a yoga master with great healing powers? becomes a simple, non-threatening truth.
Suhas points a worthy direction…you yourself have created Jesus, God, Brahma, Allah, The Divine, The Absolute cast them aside start with the only truth you know for sure, an inward look at “being-ness”/ “I AM-NESS” there is no one reading this that can say “I AM NOT”, else who would be claiming it. It is the closes you’ll ever come with the mind to the ultimate riddle, realize the “I AM” you experience is simply an alteration by the mind of the sense of the present “NOW” i.e. the awareness of the presence of awareness. This “I AM” is the only certain reality, examine it closely, this knowing is constant, always there everything else is changing, nothing happens without it, this is why you’ll hear people say “you are already what you seek, seeking god through his own eyes etc. etc. you are so close to it there is no means or way it’s just remembering what you have forgot through years of programing the mind.
[QUOTE=yogibear23;84055]Is it possible that Jesus could have been a yogi and this is why he had great healing powers?[/QUOTE]
Yes it is
Siddhis he had
Cheers
In my usual style I will give you a direct answer:
Jesus was not a Yogi. He was a rabbi reformer of the Mosaic religion at the time in accordance with the new religious and spiritual thought at the time. Let us just say the old Mosaic religion had passed its sell by date, and Jesus reformed it.
Jesus has got nothing to do with Yoga. The story that Jesus was a yogi/avatar was created by Christian missionaries in colonial times to convert Indian people to Christianity. They interpolated into one of their religious books, the Bhavishya Purana a story about Jesus, and we know this interpolation happened then because it also mentions Queen Victoria!
Jesus in India is a myth.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;84128]Suhas points a worthy direction?you yourself have created Jesus, God, Brahma, Allah, The Divine, The Absolute cast them aside start with the only truth you know for sure, an inward look at ?being-ness?/ ?I AM-NESS? there is no one reading this that can say ?I AM NOT?, else who would be claiming it. It is the closes you?ll ever come with the mind to the ultimate riddle, realize the ?I AM? you experience is simply an alteration by the mind of the sense of the present ?NOW? i.e. the awareness of the presence of awareness. This ?I AM? is the only certain reality, examine it closely, this knowing is constant, always there everything else is changing, nothing happens without it, this is why you?ll hear people say ?you are already what you seek, seeking god through his own eyes etc. etc. you are so close to it there is no means or way it?s just remembering what you have forgot through years of programing the mind.[/QUOTE]
Blah blah blah, I believe the the OP was asking whether Jesus was a yogi, not for a sermon
I am the only one in this entire thread who has directly answered the OP’s question
Irony alert: I myself have entertained the possibility of Jesus going to India, and considered it likely a few months ago, but now having seen more evidence I no longer take it seriously.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;84205]Blah blah blah, I believe the the OP was asking whether Jesus was a yogi, not for a sermon
I am the only one in this entire thread who has directly answered the OP’s question :p[/QUOTE]
Yes, neti, neti.
Welcome SuryaDeva with all the ironies.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;84208]Yes, neti, neti.[/QUOTE]
Neti neti is only in respect to Brahman, not a question about whether Jesus was a yogi or not, which has a yes or no answer. Just like the question “Is the Eiffel tower in Paris” or “Are you going out tonight?” have yes and no answers.
In real Vedanta a distinction is made between the empirical and practical reality and the transcendent and absolute reality - don’t confuse the two.
[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;84209]Welcome SuryaDeva with all the ironies.[/QUOTE]
To add to that irony, my recent research has shown there is indeed a Yogic influence on Greco-Roman world at the time, particular on Greek philosophy and the mystery religions at the time. It is entirely possible that Jesus was affected by this philosophical climate and reformed older Mosaic thought in accordance with it. However, did he directly go India? Possible(as Greek philosophers like Pythagoras, Democritus and Pyrrho have been recorded to have visited India) but there is not enough evidence to draw this conclusion.
There are some very obvious Greek influences on Christianity, such as the concept of logos which in turn is influenced by Shabda Brahman.
Surya Deva,
If you can hold it for a moment and decide whether one should be interested in a postmortem of history which is based on millions of pieces of evidence, but finally knitted together for any sensible inference by human thinking that even at its best is subjective and self-hypnotizing. OR one should sift through the pieces and see some of them as artifacts of bygone life that remain inspirational even today and guide/ inspire me in my spiritual journey. There is none better than the other. “Proving” that ‘Jesus was not a Yogi’ through circumstantial evidence may serve some purpose in someone’s life while an idea that ‘Jesus was a Yogi’ may be inspirational to few others.
If you consider it ironical that one doesn’t respect or tolerate the other’s view, that will be admirable.
So basically you are saying if somebody wants to believe Jesus was a yogi and it gives them inspiration then let them believe it. In that case I want to believe my dog Jimmy is really the reincarnation of Tutankhamen and this will give me inspiration, so let me believe it
I am sorry but I have to call out stupid for what it is. We should believe in something because it is true and not because it just makes us feel good. Here is another reason why I have stopped posting here recently there are too many stupid things being said on the forum. The high level of intellectual and intelligent conversations that use to happen here do not happen anymore.
This could potentially be an intelligent topic discussing the historical evidence and similarities between Yoga and Christianity, and philosophical influences etc — but its not - its been brought down to the level of stupid - believe what you want claptrap.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;84210]Neti neti is only in respect to Brahman, not a question about whether Jesus was a yogi or not, which has a yes or no answer. Just like the question “Is the Eiffel tower in Paris” or “Are you going out tonight?” have yes and no answers.
In real Vedanta a distinction is made between the empirical and practical reality and the transcendent and absolute reality - don’t confuse the two.[/QUOTE]
Ok.
SuryaDeva,
Quite expected. Intelligence does blind some times and is always self-hypnotizing. In the rage over the apparent ‘inspirational’ example, limitations infused by inference and subjectivity of intellectual exercises was completely lost. We don’t see, we only process images. Likewise, thinking is an enabler, but a constraint beyond a point.
The point was, apparent naivity of ‘Jesus was a yogi’ is neither better nor more stupid than the audacity of ‘Jesus was not a yogi’ assertion that leapfrogs from limited information.
And to imagine a dog to be a reincarnation is a real challenge, given the ingrained ideas about a “dog”. Most of us know intellectually that a body cell is essentially composed of trillions and trillions of live and vibrating atom particles, but would fail to see why some ‘stupid’ villager sees life in a stone.
[QUOTE=yogibear23;84055]Is it possible that Jesus could have been a yogi and this is why he had great healing powers?[/QUOTE][B]John 7:38 KJV “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water”[/B]
[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;84220]SuryaDeva,
Quite expected. Intelligence does blind some times and is always self-hypnotizing. In the rage over the apparent ‘inspirational’ example, limitations infused by inference and subjectivity of intellectual exercises was completely lost. We don’t see, we only process images. Likewise, thinking is an enabler, but a constraint beyond a point.
The point was, apparent naivity of ‘Jesus was a yogi’ is neither better nor more stupid than the audacity of ‘Jesus was not a yogi’ assertion that leapfrogs from limited information.
And to imagine a dog to be a reincarnation is a real challenge, given the ingrained ideas about a “dog”. Most of us know intellectually that a body cell is essentially composed of trillions and trillions of live and vibrating atom particles, but would fail to see why some ‘stupid’ villager sees life in a stone.[/QUOTE]
No, the statement “Jesus was not a yogi” is more valid than the statement “Jesus was a yogi”. There is no evidence to suggest Jesus was a yogi, it is purely a speculative possibility. The evidence suggests Jesus was a rabbi, and there are no direct allusions to yoga anywhere in the bible.
I highly recommend you read Rajiv Malhotra’s “Being different” There is a tendency for people to want to translate unique Indic philosophical and cultural concepts in other cultures like the West in order to force a commonality, but in doing so they do violence to the original concept and miss the nuances. Yoga does not translate into anything Western or middle Eastern, it is uniquely Indian. If you want to understand Yoga, read the Yoga sutras, Gita etc, not the bible. If on the other hand you want to understand Jesus, then read the bible, not the Yoga sutras.
Your intentions are good, but you don’t realize how much damage you are doing to the heritage of Yoga with these irresponsible juxtapositions of Yoga into non-Indian cultures. Leave Jesus as Jesus and Yoga as Yoga.
Jesus was no yogi. This is Christian propaganda, no more, no less. Why do people believe such nonsense?