Hi Siva,
dear core,
Woah! Slow down ther’ cowboy! What’s your hurry! I don’t know where to begin.
Humor me here for a second. Before I write the volumes you’re asking for, I would first ask you, why do you think these things are important?
Because the yoga i am practicising is working & dellivering results, for me. Simple.
Are you really ready for it?
Well i was following another complete yoga system this past year, that did not teach yo asana ,Siva right off the bat.And i feel my schooling there has come in real handy.However this is the but bit- Siva that system i was following- a coomplete one containing all the limbs- a meditation based-path rather than a kundalinin one to me i perceived weaknesese in it- [B]for me[/B]
And if not, why do you ask?
because i live in Peter-Pan land, and love asking mindless purposeless questions.I am being ironic here btw.
Take your time.
on the contrary ,I think i am taking my time.Patience is something i have been forced to learn over the years with my always evolving yoga practice
Advanced technique does not equate accomplishment.
It’s possible me and you have different views on yoga. My approach is the integral one incoorporating all the limbs. I have seen for myself the limitations and the risks of just doing asana. I don’t believe eight limbs has to be like a staircase one must climb sequentially.It’s possible are views are just different,as well as our experiences.
Let me start by saying…the good teacher will not try to impress you with things you don’t need to know, that are not relevant to your practice, life, stage of development, etc., because it only confounds you, makes things blurry. I think that’s where we are here.
I think answering myquestion is one you have tied to shirk off here for whatever reasons- -whther i choose to practice it or not is another matter- although it is really my choice(people drive cars at high speeds everyday- why should the free dIsseminiation and sharing of spiritual knowledge be any different),was actually testing the depths of your knowledge. I don’t believe that yoga should stay buried and known to just a few lucky initiates.I think you must take me for naive if you come out with that- (‘the good teacher will not try not impress you’).The good teacher will share what he knows to the student that is committed.I think i’ve more than demonstrated my commitment given the amount of sharing , of what i know(maybe it’s not much ) here and in other places, Siva.You are living an an age of open source and freedom of info. I think your views are way outdated and anachronistic…
.Should you be practicing any or all of these advanced techniques?
I think that is better addressed principally by the student. I don’t blindly follow gurus,siva. I am my own man.I am currently following the bihar school- the satyananda tradition. I follow it because 1) it is based on science 2) it is comprehensive- no one is left out 3)i trust it and it is working for me.
Kapalabhati and basic pranayama, yes, and anuloma viloma with retention, yes. They are the most the vast majority of people will ever need in life. One-in-million might go beyond. Is that you?
Hi siva- you are right but i am learning the basics.Thanks for the direction.There is the here & now siva. That is what pracitce is about.
Siva i listed two techchniques(out of the 4) that i said i was learning- swana pranayam and agnisara kriya as a preparation for doing uddiyana and nauli- both of which open up manipura in the chakra programme i am following. Also i am learning the basics of pranayama to get a better handle on this programme, and also because i am a keen & commited student, and i believe the learning should never stop. It’s like anything in life.Nothing worthwhile comes easy. Rising to the top of your profession, building a house- it all takes time & effort,energy and application.
I only asked you about the other two because i sensed some ambiguity on my part. That does’nt mean i should’nt practice them. it does’nt necessarily mean i should practice them either.(I believe in the clarity that comes from people that do know sharing-hehhehe… none of us likes confusion) Again that is for the student to decide with enough experience. And quite frankly i believe i do have enough experience.
You seem to be up on hatha yoga- it’s what you practice- some of my questions related to pranayama and these distinctions.I neither try to impress people, siva, nor am i easily impressed either. Because i know we l have latent potential. It’s just a matter of tapping into it. I’ve been around ,siva.And have a certain amount of yoga practice and experience. Also i don’t necessarily all the limbs have to be apporaches like steps, for some people at least.Some folk start with meditation, others pranayama( baba ramdev for example in india has popularised it)I started off with asana, just like you ,siva. So we do have alot in common.I believe if we take alittle bit of each we can get quicker and greater results. But it did’nt come overnight or without sadhana effort to realise. No,Siva. Far from it. I had to learn the hard way.It has taken me hours of study and practice like you would not believe. I understand the potency of pranayama and the more esoteric side-mantra yoga,kriya yoga,chakra work etc.I have experience it first-hand. I appreciate it. I practice it because it is working for me.But it’s taken time to get here. I think you must misunderstand me somewhat.However…
Siva- i could go OUT on a limb and venture to say the reason you are not answering questions is because clearly-
A) one really has to know what one is talking about or use these techniques in one’s repertoire-, i.e one’s own current personal sadhana.
B) there is a lot of effort involved to answer my question notwithstanding the fact that pranayama and the subtleties of yoga cannot easily be conveyed over internet-
And finally just for thought, here is a most amazing thing about yoga, something to look forward to: When you master the basics, I mean truly master them, your questions are answered, the next step becomes clear, your direction, the rate, the pace, it all unfolds naturally. You discover a guide within you, and then ability follows. So…stick to the basics and look forward to that Self-illumination.
I am sticking to the basics. It’s just that doing just asana does’nt necessarily figure high or exclusively on my list, my personal sadhana.
There are many different types of yoga and branches. Some can get fully illuminated just by going to church, others through loving everyone unconditionally , through devotion and complete surrender.
There is more to yoga that hatha yoga.Which is why i asked you if you could point out some of the differnces between the practices.
I know this does not answer your question, but it’s the best I can do here. I hope at least I have saved you a lot of time on the internet.
If it is too much effort to do the homework or you simply are not sure-i.e perhaps one or more of these techniques is not part of your current sadhana.Then that is fair enough. I can completely accept that.
In a nutshell,I believe it is best to adapt the practice to the individual if necessary, and that there is more to yoga than asana.
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i am exploring pranayama in general- having been looking at the iyengar system- these seem to help balnce my nadis , and you are so right - i am learning the basics but i also like information too. that is what we’re here for- No?- free disseminiation and openess of information regardless of the level of the aspirant- we are not swine!
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I am also following the bihar schools sadhana programme for purifying the chakras. I am interested in awakenning kundalin but neither am i obsessed by it either.I believe it isimportant for self-healing and self-mastery. I also believe i have the necessary knowledge, tool-base and experience. (i sound like i’m writing a cv for a pootential employer here + laugh+)We each must live out own life siva respsonsibly. And this is something i have had to learn whichever way.I would’nt have got this far if i was’nt making some effort to embrace some of life’s lessons and it’s challeneges, the decisions it poses etc