Kriya Yoga Questions and Answers

I recently joined this forum and see many questions and references to Kriya Yoga.

If there is an interest, I’d like to put forth this thread to answer specific questions about Kriya. My experience is as a student of Roy Eugene Davis, a direct disciple of Paramahansa Yogananda.

If there are questions about the practices, the results, my experiences, etc. I’ll be happy to reply. My goal will be to share straight forward simple answers.

Studying and practicing this path daily with intention has given great clarity, and I am very happy with the process. Life still has its ups and downs, as with everyone’s life, but I cannot say enough about what practicing Kriya has done.

Also, please note I’m not interested in getting into discussions about lineages etc, but am happy to share my experiences with the path I’m familiar with.

Anyone?

please tel me what is initiation in Krya Yoga and what is diference between Kriya and Hatah yoga

What was the immediate benefits you experienced as a result of your practice?

How many times a day do you practice?

Can you give the steps involved (not saying state how to do the steps)?

Has your practice brought you to enlightenment?

Thank you both for writing.

“[B]What is initiation in Kriya Yoga[/B]?”

[I]Answer:[/I] Usually when a student resonates with a teacher/lineage, a time is set to learn the fundamentals of that path. When a person is initiated they learn unique meditation methods and are encouraged to commit as completely as possible to a life dedicated to Self-realization, until the job is done. Complete dedication means that all thoughts, energy, motivations, relationships etc., are assessed based on the ability to further clarify awareness or not.

Once initiated the student (hopefully) adheres to the particular path outlined by the tradition, so that the process of Self-revelation can unfold without interference.

During initiation there is a blessing that empowers the student. It does not change the student, but gives the student an extra (spiritual) boost to make changes on their own. It’s like someone giving you a $10,000 dollars to improve your life. If it is spent foolishly, the effects quickly wear off. However, if the person can invest it knowledgeably, that $10,000 can grow and continue to pay dividends.

During the actual process of initiation, the student is encouraged to bring a fruit, a flower, and a donation. The fruit represents giving up the fruits of their karma. The flower represents their devotion to the path until the final realization. The donation represents putting all one’s resources towards the process of Self-realization, and also treating one’s resources as though they are “God’s” resources (so as not to be wasteful with our life’s resources).

The initiation process begins with the teacher and student meditating together. Then the teacher shares the fundamental philosophy and techniques. Then the student places the fruit, flower, and donation on an altar. Standing before the teacher, the teacher can place one hand on the students head, and hold the student’s hand in the other hand. The teacher does nothing, merely gets out of the way, but lets the process occur as the student is receptive.

Then the student is initiated into the practice, and said to be “linked” with the lineage and tradition, which can make it easier to gain benefit from the practice. Just like life can be easier if one is adopted into a healthy minded wealthy family, once initiated into a healthy path and spiritual family, spiritual realization becomes easier.

Ultimately initiation is a new beginning. What we do with that new beginning and clean slate is up to us!

“[B]What is the difference between Kriya and Hatha Yoga[/B]?”

[I]Answer[/I]: Kriya Yoga is actually the title of the second chapter in Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras. Kriya Yoga is defined as “Austerity, Self-study, and Surrender in God as the means to accomplish perfect concentration. This is the Path of Kriya Yoga.” This is according to verse 1, chapter 4 in Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras. When Yogananda was leaving on the boat to come to America, I have been told that Sri Yukteswar told Yogananda to teach the yoga of Patanjali.

In the Yoga Sutras the limbs or Yoga are described in that same chapter 2, verse 29, “Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi.” These translate to: refraining from destructive behaviors, actualizing constructive behaviors, steady meditation posture, regulation of vital forces, internalization of attention, concentration, meditation, and cognitive absorption.

Hatha yoga (as predominately practiced in modern culture) is a series of asanas and pranayama. It’s great for the body and mind. Yet often the emphasis on the limbs of concentration through Samadhi are not emphasized. There are many hatha yoga teachers that do go into the 8 limbs of yoga well. In my experience these have primarily been Iyengar Yoga teachers.

Hatha yoga is a limb (or a collection of limbs) of the full procedure. However, the point of Hatha yoga in relation to Kriya, as we are talking about it, is to have a strong body and healthy body so that we can meditate well and without distraction. Meditation to direct attention to experience Samadhi is the prime emphasis in the teaching with which I am familiar. So while I do hatha yoga a few times a week, I always meditate multiple hours every day. The emphasis is different.

“[B]What was the immediate benefits you experienced as a result of your practice[/B]?”

[I]Answer[/I]: “It has been a number of years since I began, yet I recall the following. I was more motivated and focused on accomplishing important goals in life. My ability to understand spiritual literature and teachings improved. My discernment, my ability to know what was spiritually accurate, greatly improved. I was happier. My ability to sit longer (alert and attentive) in the silence of meditation became much easier, and periods of silence were much longer. That silence continued longer through my day, during daily activities. I began to get an inkling about what I really was at the core of my being, and also what I was not.”

”[B]How many times a day do you practice[/B]?”

[I]Answer[/I]: “When I began I would practice 3 times a day (not very well of course), an hour in the morning, 30 minutes at lunch, and 45 minutes before bed. Over the years, that developed into a solid 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon or evening, practicing skillfully. For the first 8 years or so I specifically took work that gave me a lot of free time, and lived way below my means, and I spent that extra time studying the sutras, meditating, and contemplating all the stuff that seems so important. So I had more time to meditate, etc. Then, as I became more clear in my dharma and purpose in life, my work load increased and so now I meditate at least 90 minutes every morning, and then on lighter days I add an extra hour or two.

Yet, in time, the work you do and the life you live also becomes your practice, and so that can’t really be broken down into increments.”

“[B]Can you give the steps involved (not saying state how to do the steps)[/B]?”

[I]Answer[/I]: “First, think of God, or the Self, or whatever your concept of the divine is ALL of the TIME. See everyone and everything (including your little self) as an aspect of that One Reality. Treat your self, everyone and everything as if it is That (because it is).

For meditation specifically:

  1. Acknowledge the divine in everyone and everything. Acknowledge those teachers and great souls who have provided for the opportunity to go deep into meditation.
  2. Remember, know, why you are practicing. What’s your motivation. Affirm it.
  3. Then practice Alternate Nostril Breathing 12-24 rounds.
  4. Practice Sushumna breathing. (A variation of Kriya Pranayama)
  5. Sit in the silence for as long as possible.
  6. When distractions arise, use a mantra while focusing awareness gently at the crown or spiritual eye.
  7. Rest in the silence.
  8. Visualize, feel, every cell of your body, every atom of space, every person place or thing imbued with Love, Fulfillment and Self-knowledge.
  9. Go about your day maintaining the after effects tranquility of your practice.

Now for one initiated, the basic procedure is to do a technique called Maha Mudra, or alternative life force arousal technique a few times. Then one practices the Kriya Pranayamas (variation of Sushumna breathing) for a certain number of times. Then sit in the silence generated from the practice. Then there is a technique called Jyoti Mudri, which enables one to see the inner light and hear the Om vibration. One learns to absorb oneself in that (OM). Then when the time is over, they conclude the practice.

”[B]Has your practice brought you to enlightenment[/B]?”

[I]Answer[/I]: “This a great question, and I understand why you are asking. Yet, experience has taught me, that the word enlightenment is heavy with connotations and certain ideas that may or may not be true.

The word enlightenment points to and indicates a state that is beyond concepts. It is the essence, the core of everything. Some would even say the reality of everything, as there is only One Reality, seemingly individualized as “all this”.

The only way to know another is enlightened is not by their claims. That is an easy thing to claim, and not everyone is as honest or sincere as we may hope folks in the spiritual community should be. And sometimes people are well-meaning, but don’t quite fully grasp nor have experienced the totality of what that word indicates.

The only way to know another is enlightened is to find a way to completely calm your mind and let go of attachment to your small sense of self, and to flow your awareness into theirs. You can do this through mental attunement, by attuning to one’s words, or just looking at them quietly. This is for the purpose of observation only. What you experience in that merging will give you a clear indication of their state of consciousness. If it seems enlightened to you, that is OK. But you must be able to fully trust your experience. Also, you must be sure you are completely in a neutral observational state, as projection and even a hint of expectation can give false results. You may be surprised at what turns up sometimes!

What is on the surface is not always a clear indication of what is beneath. Deep, deep, deep down, we are all enlightened. If you can go that deep into another (or hopefully yourself, as that is the most important part to explore anyway) you can know your own enlightenment or that of another. Then you will see it everywhere, in the saint, the sinner, the sage, the merchant, the scoundrel, the painter, the engineer etc.

That was a long winded way of saying, “that’s my own business.” But hopefully these words will have helped some.

You wrote that you wanted to share your experience, therefore, I asked questions so that you could do this. Thank you for taking the time to share this information.

What about Talbya kriya , Kechari and navi kriya? These aren’t included in your kriya practice? As an initiated kriyaban I received these steps as well as the kriya pranayams. Mahamudra and Jyoti mudra seems to be uniform and is included in everyone’s kriya practice regardless of what teacher / organization / or guru.

Dear Lavendar:

Yes, thank you.

That final statement about it being “my own business”, after I reread it, I realized it didn’t need to be there. That response was specifically in reference to your question about 'Has your practice brought you enlightenment?'
It’s a valid question, but one that answering in words can never share the whole truth, if you know what I mean. The levels of definition can be as infinite as consciousness itself, so its best just to ignore them.

As for the other Kriyas, yes I learned those as well. There are also 3 others that I learned, later on into my practice from my teacher. But they would be more acceptable to talk about with someone in person, and not over a forum. I do include them into my practice from time to time, but what was listed above, which I learned at my very first initiation, has been more than enough to clear the way. They have been enough to still the mind, and allow contemplation on (and as) the Self. The others I usually use during times when I can meditate for many hours at a time, to keep the practice fresh.

The Talabaya Kriya happens almost naturally though. I notice I’m doing it without thinking about it.

Thank you sincerely for your questions.

I looked at the youtube link you provided and I get the impression that you are advertising is this what you do for a living?

Dear Seeking:

Good question.

No, my goal is not advertising. I have given many talks over the last 7 years after being authorized to teach. Those I’ve recorded I’ve posted on youtube, because there are a number of people who live in other countries and other parts of the US who like to keep up on my presentations. My youtube page isn’t even monetized! Even though youtube keeps asking me to do that.

All my talks have been given at either yoga centers or Unity churches on a donation basis. Although when I am asked to speak, substituting for a Unity minister, (once or twice a year) I am compensated for my travel costs. For a year and 3 months I was the senior minister of a meditation center based on the Kriya Yoga tradition, and that was also a volunteer position.

However, once or twice a year I am paid to teach the Yoga Philosophy portion of a hatha yoga teacher training. This is based off of my study and application of the yoga sutras.

This is not what I do for a living, but it is a passion of mine that I very much enjoy, which is why, the majority of my talks and classes that I do have been either on a donation basis or for free.

To pay my bills and provide for my family I am a full time Vedic Astrologer, and before segueing fully into that profession 3 years ago, I was in the alternative health field speaking on meditation and Ayurveda, and practicing various energetic healing techniques and CranioSacral therapy.

I’ve found that I do a much better job working with groups or individuals if I have a career different from teaching. Then I am able to do my work, and support myself financially, and when I teach it is not based on money or the desire to have more money. So to my work that is my business is Vedic Astrology. Spiritual matters and sharing, is my way of giving back, and being helpful where possible.

Ryan,

Are you authorized to teach kriya yoga?

Yes.

Thank you Ryan for your honest answer!

However, I will be stopping this until a later date, and focusing on my own inner practice. My opportunities to teach will be to basic meditation and the Yoga Sutras. Meditation and the fundamentals of the Yoga Sutras are very helpful ways to prepare for higher realizations.

I feel that having a solid meditation practice and exploration of and contemplation of the sutras is very much undervalued, or over looked in regards to making way for clearer realizations.

Practise is accumulative.
Like the mantra.
One can practise everyday. At the same time.same place. And for same length of time or number of repetitions.
Because the body likes cycles. This increases the pace of advancement. Your “speed”

Its like eating everyday at the same times. And sleeping and waking at set times. The body gets used to it. Then expects it. So at 10 am everyday,your body expects food,and thus is ready to eat.
at 10 pm you will be tired. For the body is ready for sleep.

Habit is a powerful thing. It is not the mind that needs mastery. It is the body.

A man rides a tiger. If he is not careful. The tiger will Buck him off or even consume the rider. Not too mention the rider has no control over the tiger he rides.

Tame the tiger.and then it is like a horse. It goes where you tell it to.
Does what you say. Yet you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

Merge into one soul with the horse. And become master. Now you can lead it to water. Initiate thirst. And make that horse drink.

That is relationship of mind and body.

I agree. Without correct understanding. No advancement can be purposely made. Thus mastery is never reached. And practise will forever remain “hard” and will never have fruition.
Praise clarity of unshakable truth!

Realization is fruition.
Yet without application of that realization. A tree never grows from the seeds in the fruit.
And thus the realization which is the fruit,rots.

Thus realize. Apply the realization. A tree will grow. It will have new fruit. Plant the seeds again. And have yourself a forest in no time!
Realize and apply. Apply and realize. :slight_smile: realization is born from understanding which is born of contemplation. To apply is the most important key!