Kundalini raising through Pingala Nadi?

Spirituality
#19

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57099]Seeker,

“These powers have been described in Puranas. Instead reading self proclaimed ?gurus? seekers should read Puranas and Upanishadas.”

Instead of clinging to Puranas or the Upanishads, or the words of a master - one should start functioning out of one’s own intelligence. Whatever has yet to enter into one’s direct experience has no relevance whatsoever. And as long as there remains a large dimension of difference between one’s thoughts, ideas, beleifs - and one’s living reality - one is basically deceiving oneself. When yet to be verified by one’s own eye on the forehead - even that which is true becomes a lie - and where one has come to it’s discovery - even that which is false becomes the truth.[/QUOTE]

Why should anyone take any advice from a well read punk kid who merely parrots the words of another?

Hmmmm?

I clicked on your profile today.

Your a gemini one around 25 years old. I now see why you like to elaborate on my words . . . it’s something geminis do - sometimes.

You are but a baby.

Go suck your lolly.

Also you claim some sort of “awakening” and you disparage others on many occasions. I see no insight within your knowledge that would tell me that you are indeed awakened. Infact it’s quite the contrary.

So - i’m really wondering what you mean by ‘awakening’

I humbly await your B.S. reply…

#20

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]Siva,

“What you say is partly accurate, but sounds somewhat mental or book-learned”

What I have said arises out of my own direct experience, otherwise I would not have even said a word about the matter. And - on one hand one declares something to be book-learned, on the other hand everything that has dribbled out of your tongue has been out of borrowed knowledge.

“What I hope to do here is help clarify a couple points and not discourage you”

No, what you have said has been out of the desire to affirm your own ego. When I come across one who has ignited an eye on the forehead- I recognize him immediately.

“Prana and apana CAN and do come together elsewhere in the body, and can be made to move elsewhere other than in Sushumna, in the major nadis of the extremities.”

That is true. But not of much use, nor is the mere combination of prana and apana going to trigger an awakening of Kundalini. [B]Kundalini is awakened once prana and apana are combined together and enter into the so called “Door of Brahman” at the base of the spine.[/B] The sushumna has three layers in which subtle nadis called suskhma nadis are included. In the subtlest layer, there is a small passaway which has been called the “Door of Brahman”. [B]When these energies collide into that opening - then there arises what is called the “Kundalini”.[/B] [B]Any other combination of prana and apana does not have the same effect, for the simple reason that most of the nadis emenating from the chakras all are linked to the sushumna. That is why the activation of the sushumna has always been a major part of the processes of the yogic sciences - because once you obtain a certain amount of control over this nadi - several other nadis and their corresponding energies also come within one’s control. The sushumna itself has certain qualities which are specific to it’s nature, and when one’s energies start moving there - it has a totally different effect than when they are moving anywhere else. [/B]

“There is not a “third energy,” rather there is a unification of two forces that were once alternating between ida an pingala, or ha and tha, that are now working as one.”

[B]Whatsoever one calls it, it makes no difference. But once prana and apana collide together at the door of Brahman - it causes a transformation of their energies which has a definite change in quality. [/B]

“Keep up the good work. I have to go back to mine.”

Being as arrogant as you are - you have not even started the work.[/QUOTE]

In regards to yogic knowledge - the bolded part is wrong.

#21

Scales,

In regards to your own being, you are wrong. Countless centuries of deception behind you, countless centuries of deception ahead of you - if you do not cut off your own head soon, there may be no possibility of your finding it.

#22

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57106]Scales,

In regards to your own being, you are wrong. Countless centuries of deception behind you, countless centuries of deception ahead of you - if you do not cut off your own head soon, there may be no possibility of your finding it.[/QUOTE]

You do realize that everything your saying to me applies to you and not me?

Right?

also please Define “Awakening.”

I humbly await your bull shit.

#23

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#24

"also please Define “Awakening.”

No.

“I humbly await your bull shit.”

Don’t wait, and don’t try to be humble.

#25

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57099]Instead of clinging to Puranas or the Upanishads, or the words of a master - one should start functioning out of one’s own intelligence. [/QUOTE]Humans can?t overcome their Ego without Kundalini.

#26

You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out. You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out. You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out. You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out. You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out. You just become, like a flower becomes the fruit. It’s all built in within you. Allow it to work out.
-Manic Depression

#27

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57121]"also please Define “Awakening.”

No.

[/QUOTE]

Not surprised.

#28

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]What I have said arises out of my own direct experience, otherwise I would not have even said a word about the matter.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]And - on one hand one declares something to be book-learned, on the other hand everything that has dribbled out of your tongue has been out of borrowed knowledge.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]No, what you have said has been out of the desire to affirm your own ego. When I come across one who has ignited an eye on the forehead- I recognize him immediately.[/QUOTE]

AM,

So this "direct experience"of kundalini you speak of results in this type of response: this kind of language. NICE! I think I gave you too much credit. Just trying to help you out brother. Sorry, I did not have more time to waste.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]But once prana and apana collide together at the door of Brahman - it causes a transformation of their energies which has a definite change in quality. [/QUOTE]

Does a change in quality constitute yet a third energy, as you have said? Like oil and water: mix them together they become salad dressing, right?

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57100]Being as arrogant as you are - you have not even started the work.[/QUOTE]

Evidently, I have already done too much.

Peace out AM. I hope your kundalini will find its way home.

siva

#29
#30

the “ego and will” can ta[CENTER]ke on many different perspectives in our lives
:roll:[/CENTER]

#31

[QUOTE=bjoy;57222]the "ego and will" can ta[CENTER]ke on many different perspectives in our lives
:roll:[/CENTER][/QUOTE]Yoga Darshana defines our Ego/Ahamkara/ as product of Divine Mother-Prakriti.

#32

Siva,

“I think I gave you too much credit. Just trying to help you out brother.”

No. As I said, your statements were not out of compassion, but out of a desire to affirm your own egotism. When I come across one with a sincere desire for Truth, I recognize him immediately, it is like trying to hide light in the darkness of the night.

“Does a change in quality constitute yet a third energy, as you have said? Like oil and water: mix them together they become salad dressing, right?”

If you are hung up on words, then you do not have to call it a third energy. You can call it simply a different quality that arises.

“Evidently, I have already done too much”

You have not done enough. You have raised everything on a higher pedestal rather than being more one-pointed in your own practice. There is nothing wrong with this, because the desire for awakening is not something that can be forced upon oneself. It is a natural part of the process of evolution and growth of every human being - either one has become matured enough for it like a fruit ripening in the season, or one has yet to come to the maturity that is needed for awakening.

“Peace out AM”

More hiding behind veils. Do not wish another peace unless it is sincere.

“I hope your kundalini will find its way home.”

Another veil. Have you forgotten that it is like trying to hide fire ?

#33

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57252]Siva,

“I think I gave you too much credit. Just trying to help you out brother.”

No. As I said, your statements were not out of compassion, but out of a desire to affirm your own egotism. When I come across one with a sincere desire for Truth, I recognize him immediately, it is like trying to hide light in the darkness of the night.

“Does a change in quality constitute yet a third energy, as you have said? Like oil and water: mix them together they become salad dressing, right?”

If you are hung up on words, then you do not have to call it a third energy. You can call it simply a different quality that arises.

“Evidently, I have already done too much”

You have not done enough. You have raised everything on a higher pedestal rather than being more one-pointed in your own practice. There is nothing wrong with this, because the desire for awakening is not something that can be forced upon oneself. It is a natural part of the process of evolution and growth of every human being - either one has become matured enough for it like a fruit ripening in the season, or one has yet to come to the maturity that is needed for awakening.

“Peace out AM”

More hiding behind veils. Do not wish another peace unless it is sincere.

“I hope your kundalini will find its way home.”

Another veil. Have you forgotten that it is like trying to hide fire ?[/QUOTE]

You are a 25 year old punk kid.
You have no knowledge therefore you have nothing to teach anyone.
You are an idiot.
You are a pretender.
You are a phony.

NOTHING YOU SAY MEANS A DAMN THING.
NOBODY CARES.

and

Your an asshole.

#34

Scales,

“You have no knowledge therefore you have nothing to teach anyone”

Many are finding what I have had to say useful. Dont tresspass on anothers being, speak for oneself and nobody else.

"You are an idiot.
You are a pretender.
You are a phony.

NOTHING YOU SAY MEANS A DAMN THING."

Then you should not be concerned.

#35

Amir Moron summary advice

[B]1. Amir is a 25 year old punk kid.[/B]

  1. Amir is a well read fraud and parrot of others words. (including mine)

  2. Amir is not in knowledge.

  3. Amir hasn’t trodden the path therefore he gives no precise method. He instead speaks in ambiguity and grays based on things he’s read.

  4. Amir has no higher authority to teach anything.

  5. Amir claims he is awakened but gives no definition or method. Nor can he elucidate the visual signs. He instead speaks in ambiguity and grays based on the things he’s read.

  6. Amir disparages the masters.

  7. Amir tells people not to read scripture

  8. Amir puts himself on youtube giving ‘sermons’

  9. Amir tries to gathers chelas when he himself is un - accomplished.

[B]11. Amir is a slick talking shyster. [/B]

  1. Amir copy cats me…

  2. If people disagree with him his usual response or insult is something along the lines of “i’m awakened and your asleep.” Yada yada yada

[B]14. Did I mention that Amir is a 25 year old kid?[/B]

15, Amir makes up his own definitions to spiritual words and states. This is because he is not in knowledge.

#36

The ox continues chasing it’s own tail for millenia.

#37

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57271]The ox continues chasing it’s own tail for millenia.[/QUOTE]

Yes you do.

[B]1. Amir is a 25 year old punk kid.[/B]

  1. Amir is a well read fraud and parrot of others words. (including mine)

  2. Amir is not in knowledge.

  3. Amir hasn’t trodden the path therefore he gives no precise method. He instead speaks in ambiguity and grays based on things he’s read.

  4. Amir has no higher authority to teach anything.

  5. Amir claims he is awakened but gives no definition or method. Nor can he elucidate the visual signs. He instead speaks in ambiguity and grays based on the things he’s read.

  6. Amir disparages the masters.

  7. Amir tells people not to read scripture

  8. Amir puts himself on youtube giving ‘sermons’

  9. Amir tries to gathers chelas when he himself is un - accomplished.

  10. Amir is a slick talking shyster.

  11. Amir copy cats me…

  12. If people disagree with him his usual response or insult is something along the lines of “i’m awakened and your asleep.” Yada yada yada

  13. Did I mention that Amir is a 25 year old kid?

15, Amir makes up his own definitions to spiritual words and states. This is because he is not in knowledge.

#38

Ok.