Mind Body Connection?

Hi,

I’m very much new to yoga, as in a few weeks. I have never been to a yoga class but am starting out at home with some beginner DVD’s. What attracted me to yoga is the strength, flexibility, relaxation, stress relief, and the “mind body connection” I can gain from the practice. I’ve always had difficulty building upper body strength even though I’m moderately fit and I hike a lot. But just these last few weeks I am noticing a strength in my upper body. I can now do a proper plank pose and transition into a downward dog repeatedly. This was unimaginable a few weeks ago.

My big question is how do I know when my mind and body are connected? I’m an agnostic and am not really interested in the religious aspect of yoga but I do enjoy the meditation. I apologize if that is sacreligous to any here as that is not my intention. I’m just trying to explain where I’m coming from.

I’m trying hard to concentrate on coordinating my body movements with my breath. I’ve noticed more of an “awareness” of my body and of it’s movement. Is this what is meant by the mind-body connection? How will I know when my mind and body are connected?

I apologize if this is a very stupid question and thank you in advance for your answers.

For what it’s worth, the mind and body certainly aren’t [I]disconnected[/I], so the mind-body connection is not really anything new. The main caveat is that I often act [I]as if[/I] my mind and body were separate and independent, which is not in accordance with reality and thus creates the conditions for stress. It’s like trying to use a hammer by gripping it at the head; just not very effective that way. My experience of the practice of yoga has been the experience of learning how to use the mind and body together effectively. Since learning is mostly a process of successfully failing in the right direction, I can learn quite a lot from my ineffective attempts at effectiveness.

Namaste and welcome to the forum.

Just one thing: there absolute nothing “religious” about yoga. Please understand that yoga is not a religion at all and herein lies the beauty of yoga that it is suitable and adaptable to the belief system of the practitioner, whatever that may be.

There is however a deep and profound philosophy connected to yoga and I would like to encourage you to explore this philospohy as I am sure it will add to and enhance your yoga experience and assist you in understanding an aspect such as the mind/body connection.

I want to reaffirm Pandara’s assertion that yoga and religion are separate. Something that has a philosophy does not necessarily have a religion. And this topic could be bandied about many, many times.

It might be best to ask whomever told you that Yoga fulfills some mind-body connection. I believe there are some popular buzz phrases that swirl around yoga and they come from many places - often those places are not yoga itself.
But they are there nonetheless so we deal.

In studying the brain we know that if you are moving your left arm you are doing so using your right brain as each hemisphere of the brain controls messages sent to the other half of the body. So we innately have a mind-body connection already.

Instead I prefer to use the term awareness practice. One does not one day wake up and find themselves aware. One simply does the work of honing awareness and the lights turn on slowly from dim to bright (hopefully). How will you know? You WILL know.

Agnostic is a person who does not believe the world is knowable. (Gnosis = knowledge, from greek) Most fundamentalist, or dogmatic religious people are agnostic, believeing in revelation, scripture, dogma, and repelling the possibility of learnig the truth by personal effort, through our minds, through reason.

A person like you, who is interested only in physical aspects of yoga, I’d call such a person a materialist. But you are also interested in mind … and mind is not matter. So you are not a materialist.
I’d say, you are a person with her head on her shoulders, and confidence in her own ability to deal whatever life throws at her, a very good starting position for any yoga.

As about your question, the mind body connection cannot be analyzed without identifying first body, and mind. It does not matter what others might say about them. You are the one who must deepen these terms, notions, experiences. Meditate on this: what is the body ? Than on this: what is the mind ?

Thank you all for your answers and for taking the time to reply. I have read each one carefully and they have all been very helpful.

In specific response to Hunter, I describe myself as an agnostic but am also a scientist. One of the basic premises of science is that the world is in fact knowable. To me it is the “other” world or the supernatural realm that I believe is unknowable. As an Ecologist I study the Earth’s systems and how they respond to their constant state of being in flux (there is no “balance of nature”) so I very much believe that natural phenomena is in fact knowable.

I believe that everything has a natural explanation. Perhaps I’m over analyzing Yoga. I tend to want facts and want them now. It’s hard for me to just patently sit back and allow myself to discover the wonderful benefits that Yoga may bring me. Although that may, in fact, be exactly what I need right now.

For now, as a beginner, I know that it is working physically and mentally. I see that by focusing on breath and moving my body along with my breath I’m better able to live in the moment and focus on exactly what I’m doing at the present as opposed to the ten million other things I have to do later. Perhaps this is this elusive “body-mind” connection I’m seeking.

Also, I feel the need to put a disclaimer that my lack of religious belief has nothing to do with my profession. Many many scientists, including many of my colleagues, are deeply religious and see no conflict whatsoever.

Again, thanks to each of you for your thoughtful relies. I really appreciate them and look forward to learning more.

Ah, a scientist ! I’d gladly chat with you, if you’d not mind, but I am sure you would. :slight_smile:

The name is Hubert, by the way. Scientists should pay attention to little details, because this is what they do best.
But to not be rude, I’ll share that I am an architect.

Sorry, that’s what I get for trying to do the 10 million things at once. I meant no disrespect, Hubert.

I’m not sure what you mean by saying that I wouldn’t want to talk to you. Did you disagree with something specific I said? I’m here to get a better understanding of Yoga and it’s many benefits although I welcome intelligent debate with well informed participants and I respect a difference of opinion. Being in science I tend to avoid debates with those that aren’t trained in the hard sciences as I find we are arguing on different levels and it goes nowhere. It would be like me arguing with an architect about the best way to build a building. How would I know?? Of course, it all depends on the subject of the debate though!

I wanted to say that I do not think a solely materialist world view is true, and I think that materialism on the superficial level of the ordinary man, is actually harmful.
Now, you may choose to categorize me as an idealist, living in fantasies, a hopeless case, as you might think that you lack the time and need to explain your believes to a total stranger on the internet, or, we might really talk about it.

What I want to attract your attention is that just as someone who comes here and says, well, I like yoga, but I use it for my health, but leave me alone with it’s philosophy, because that is based on some strange cosmogony, related to indian religious practices, and I am a good christian, roman catholic for example, the same way when someone comes and says the same, but instead of the Church, names science as his belief, it cuts things very short.

Materialist science is a belief system. What is good in scientific thinking are it’s methods. It looks for laws, it looks for repeatable experiences, it looks for structure, order, reason. On the other hand, it is nevertheless dogmatic. It’s main axioms are: If there are two hypotetic solutions, the more simple is true. This is wrong. This is done mainly to make scientific work easier on the scientists’ part, and it is a supposition, not necessarily true in all cases. Another axiom is: only things observable by senses (be those enhanced senses, like through a microscope, or telescope, X-ray’s, chemical traces, you know them better), only these things exist. Thus, science is oriented toward the physical world, and negates the existence of other planes. Personal suprasensorial expereinces show that this is not true, but scientist cannot check them. They are not physical, or do not have physical traces, or if they have them, the scientsis shouts scam. Another axiom is that a phenomenon to be real, it has to be repeatable, and measurable. Again, too many suppositions.

Fact is that materialist science has encompassing hypostesisis about many things, but it lacks giving answers to the basic questions of man’s life. It lacks life. Science DOES NOT KNOW WHAT LIFE IS. If we knew, we could create life, living organisms. But we can’t. We can manipulate living organisms, but we cannot create life. We can create the necessary circumstances where life can manifest, but we cannot create life.

Materialist science has a working hypotesis about life’s apparition. It avoids carefully the word, creation, that would supposing some invisible source for life or matter. In the evoutionary theory, or scientific cosmogony, the place of invisible actions is attributed to chance. From the infinitely dense first state, through a little inbalance in that state, created by chance, the Big Bang appeared.
Materialist science would like us to beleive that the universe, galaxies, solar systems, planets, earth, life all appeared through mere chance, from chaos, by blind laws of attraction, and the ever increasing complexity of the world, ending with man, is a product of these universal, blind laws, by mere chance through accidents, mutations, again, chance. They say, weird mutations occur all the time, and some of them miraculously result forms, members, aptitudes what make that particular individual more fit for it’s environment. The unfit mutations die out, but these happy chances go on, and thus through millions of years, by so many happy chances an evolutionary process shows itself. (there is no physical evidence of the huge amount of weird mutations, what should have been there to make possible the happy chance to appear) This mutational theory should not exclude the possibility that the happy chances do not produce evolution at all. The possibility for entire races becoming extinct, never creating the possibilty for something more evolved to happen, or life itself to vanish, is not excluded by this theory. Scientist say, our very existence shows that it did happen, but this is barely a proof for a lose, frogiving theroy to be true. In fact this theory of happy chances, accidents, has the lowest probability, ever. It assumes the existence of exponentially beneficial chances. To make a rude example, it is like believeing that adding all the construction elements into a great box, shaking that box long enough, a house will produce itself, than by having many similar boxes, we have many different houses, than we take all the houses and put them togeher into a still greater box, than shake that great box again until a city marvelously appears. Is ti possible, yes. Is it likely ? Not at all. And we did not even ask who’s shaking the boxes.
This example I give to contrast both the totally materialist world view, and the creationist God started it, but after that it rolls from itself mechanistic view.
Now, I realize that this example is not a proof as it is just based on suppositions, that there exist construction elements, boxes, the shaking forces. But this is exactly what maetreialist science does. It is so afraid to admit invisible causes, that rather it accepts very unlikely, inprobable scenarios.

I am not saying to go back to some simplistic religious imagery. But that imagery, is simplistic only because it is examined by a material, sensual mind.
The methods of science are good, but it its axioms, and suppositions are wrong. The same methods must be applied to man himself, and than man will know himself. A man, to know himself, must be aware what happens with him, a being. A certain detachment must occur, to see oneself objectively. For this to happen, reason, mind, emotions must be educated. This cannot be done without morality. When a person is able to detach from his senses, his ordinary thoughts (generated by the space-time world), his personal life, than universal truths about man, humanity will dawn in him, through imagination, (a pictorial way of thinking), inspiration (something similar to music) and intuition (instant knowledge, without time, and spatiality). These qualities are there in the human soul, and they work for more or less. They can be educated, strenghtened, and through them higher knowledge is possible, and insight into the hidden, non physical fabric of the world.

I agree that scientific inquiry is limited, but I also think many scientists are quite aware of those limitations and comfortable with the scope of their inquiry. The important thing is to keep in mind the intention behind scientific investigation, at which point there is less concern over the necessary limitations of its approach.

In my mind, the scientific method is about constructing and evaluating predictive models. When our predictive models hold up well under scrutiny and experimentation, we can begin to rely on them to do useful things, like cooking food, instituting better hygiene standards to prevent disease, building homes that survive earthquakes better or designing communication networks that allow people from all over the world to interact in new modes of expression.

I see you are particularly critical of evolutionary theory, which is a common response for those who feel a sense of intelligence behind life’s manifestation. This perspective takes evolution out of its original context, however, which is not to explain life and consciousness, but rather to explain how various forms of mutation and selection lead to variation in traits in a population over time, even resulting in such large differences, over a long enough time scale, that distinct species result. These claims are useful in the sense that in understanding a model of how something has come to pass, we are often in a better position to predict where it might go. None of this is in any way a challenge to the personal experience of any sort of divinity or subtle energy, since science does not deal with the experience of [I]experiencing[/I], but merely with observation, prediction and experimentation.

The main point of contention I see with Science and any sort of faith-inspiring experience is when either a) experience is used to justify saying “I know this is true, directly, and therefore scientists are wrong and I’m right.” or b) scientists rely on their assumptions so strongly that they negate the value of personal experience, not only within the realm of scientific inquiry (where it should rightly be considered skeptically), but within the general scope of human understanding. Both pitfalls are a kind of pride and both can be limiting.

Only if my english would be better.

"constructing and evaluating predictive models"
Yoga is also a predictive model. It says: observe yama, and niyama. Master asana. Master pranayama. Meditate through pratyahara, dhyana, etc. It predicts what will happen, when and how. Yoga is a science of man.

So this thinking can be applied to the “supersensible” too. I was being critical of materialism, as result of a science what refuses to expand it’s physical boundaries.
It is hard because in case of supersensible research, man himself is the scientific instrument, and the conditions for such research are personal. Brancusi said, that biography is what lights the great works of art.
Science is not art, but it should be developed to be one, when dealing with life, soul, mind, man’s higher nature.

"I wanted to say that I do not think a solely materialist world view is true, and I think that materialism on the superficial level of the ordinary man, is actually harmful [B](only men? what about ordinary women? perhaps the word “human’s” or “people” would be a better choice. sorry, couldn’t resist)[/B]Now, you may choose to categorize me as an idealist, living in fantasies, a hopeless case, as you might think that you lack the time and need to explain your believes to a total stranger on the internet, or, we might really talk about it.

What I want to attract your attention is that just as someone who comes here and says, well, I like yoga, but I use it for my health, but leave me alone with it’s philosophy [B](I never said or implied that)[/B], because that is based on some strange cosmogony, related to indian religious practices, and I am a good Christian, roman catholic for example, the same way when someone comes and says the same, but instead of the Church, names science as his belief, it cuts things very short. [B]I came here admitting to being extremely new to Yoga. That I know little about it, except what I have on my 6 newly purchased DVD’s, I admitted. I was/am under the impression that beyond the physical benefits, Yoga is based on Eastern/Indian religious or spiritual beliefs. Being agnostic, it would be disingenuous of me to say that I can whole heartedly embrace or believe in any religion. I am willing to learn more though. Other posters kindly pointed out to me that Yoga is not based on religion and urged me to look into the philosophy behind it. I appreciate that advice and will do so. If anyone can recommend a good beginner books I would really appreciate it.[/B]

Materialist science is a belief system. What is good in scientific thinking are it’s methods. It looks for laws, it looks for repeatable experiences, it looks for structure, order, reason. On the other hand, it is nevertheless dogmatic. It’s main axioms are: If there are two hypotetic solutions, the more simple is true. This is wrong [B](I think your understanding of the Scientific Method may need to be brushed up. I’m not sure where you got the impression that science automatically accepts the simple answer. That’s simply not the case)[/B]. This is done mainly to make scientific work easier on the scientists’ part, and it is a supposition, not necessarily true in all cases. Another axiom is: only things observable by senses (be those enhanced senses, like through a microscope, or telescope, X-ray’s, chemical traces, you know them better), only these things exist [B](Not at all. But only what can be observed and tested by a falsifiable hypothesis falls under the realm of science. Anything else is simply not science. Who’s to say it’s not true? Not me! But it’s not science and cannot be tested or discovered scientifically.) [/B] Thus, science is oriented toward the physical world B[/B], and negates the existence of other planes [B](No, it just doesn’t deal with them because they cannot be subjected to the Scientific Method)[/B]. Personal suprasensorial expereinces show that this is not true, but scientist cannot check them. They are not physical, or do not have physical traces, or if they have them, the scientsis shouts scam [B](You are putting all scientists into a rather narrow definition. A scientist may “shout scam” when something is proposed to be science that is clearly outside the realm of scientific limitations. People may experience things individual and have individual belief systems, that’s fine. What’s not fine is the attempt to pass religion as science. They are two separate fields and should be treated as such.) [/B]Another axiom is that a phenomenon to be real, it has to be repeatable, and measurable. Again, too many suppositions.

Fact is that materialist science has encompassing hypostesisis about many things, but it lacks giving answers to the basic questions of man’s life. It lacks life. Science DOES NOT KNOW WHAT LIFE IS. If we knew, we could create life, living organisms. But we can’t. We can manipulate living organisms, but we cannot create life. We can create the necessary circumstances where life can manifest, but we cannot create life. [B](There are many many things that science does not know. If we knew everything there would be no need for the scientific discipline to exist. But just because we don’t know does not automatically mean it lies in the realm of the supernatural. Throughout history many many things have been attributed the supernatural, germs and seizures for instance, but have later been found to have completely natural explanations. Just because we do not know now doesn’t mean we never will.)[/B]

Materialist science has a working hypotesis about life’s apparition. It avoids carefully the word, creation, that would supposing some invisible source for life or matter [B](of course, because the existence or non-existance of a God falls outside the limitations of science)[/B]. In the evoutionary theory, or scientific cosmogony, the place of invisible actions is attributed to chance [B](what do you mean “invisible actions”? And yes, chance does play a small role in Evolution but it is by far the very thing it is founded on)[/B]. From the infinitely dense first state, through a little inbalance in that state, created by chance, the Big Bang appeared.
Materialist science would like us to beleive that the universe, galaxies, solar systems, planets, earth, life all appeared through mere chance, from chaos, by blind laws of attraction, and the ever increasing complexity of the world, ending with man, is a product of these universal, blind laws, by mere chance through accidents, mutations, again, chance. They say, weird mutations occur all the time, and some of them miraculously result forms members aptitudes what make that particular individual more fit for it’s environment. The unfit mutations die out, but these happy chances go on, and thus through millions of years, by so many happy chances an evolutionary process shows itself. (there is no physical evidence of the huge amount of weird mutations, what should have been there to make possible the happy chance to appear) This mutational theory should not exclude the possibility that the happy chances do not produce evolution at all. The possibility for entire races becoming extinct, never creating the possibilty for something more evolved to happen, or life itself to vanish, is not excluded by this theory. Scientist say, our very existence shows that it did happen, but this is barely a proof for a lose, frogiving theroy to be true. In fact this theory of happy chances, accidents, has the lowest probability, ever. It assumes the existence of exponentially beneficial chances. To make a rude example, it is like believeing that adding all the construction elements into a great box, shaking that box long enough, a house will produce itself, than by having many similar boxes, we have many different houses, than we take all the houses and put them togeher into a still greater box, than shake that great box again until a city marvelously appears. Is ti possible, yes. Is it likely ? Not at all. And we did not even ask who’s shaking the boxes.
This example I give to contrast both the totally materialist world view, and the creationist God started it, but after that it rolls from itself mechanistic view.
[B](The above is exactly what I meant when I say I shy away from debates with people not trained in the subject they are debating. The fact is that Evolution is accepted as fact by 99.9999% of scientists because there is overwhelming evidence to support it. Yes, it is a “theory” but the word theory is used differently in science than it is in everyday conversation. Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory. Can we learn more and constantly tweak and improve our knowledge? Yes! But the bottom line is that Evolution does occur. I would urge you to study Evolution further. The above paragraph is full of misinformation and assumptions. [/B][B]It is mainly those who do not know what it is or what it’s principles are who argue against it. [/B][B]Evolution does not necessarily have to contradict any religion. The Catholic Church sees no problem with it and my Evolution professor for both undergrad and graduate classes was a die-hard right wing Christian Republican. )[/B]

I am not saying to go back to some simplistic religious imagery. But that imagery, is simplistic only because it is examined by a material, sensual mind.
The methods of science are good, but it its axioms, and suppositions are wrong [B](well, science has brought us the advancement and knowledge that we currently have. It can’t be THAT bad now, can it?)[/B] The same methods must be applied to man himself, and than man will know himself. A man, to know himself, must be aware what happens with him, a being [B](again, what about a woman??)[/B]. A certain detachment must occur, to see oneself objectively. For this to happen, reason, mind, emotions must be educated [B](yes, and I urge you to educate yourself more in the sciences)[/B].

Ok, I admit I was not free of prejudice. I was talking to the unknown scientist, while you are a real person. You must realize I have nothing against you. I kinda rushed you, I realize. Actually that was on the border of rudeness. Well, I got carried away. A certain part of me likes to provoke.
But I mean all the things I said, and I am glad when somone points out it’s shortcomings.

I am not an english native. I am hungarian. Hungarian is not a gender sensitive language. Because of this I am always had to consciously chose what words I use, and I use “man” for Human being, and not for a male human. Of course this does not make my english pardonable, but I hope it eases a bit the offense I brought to your womanhood. Let me adress you this imaginary bucket of tulips as a sign of respect to you. :slight_smile:

Usually I find talking to women easier as they are … nicer. I am sorry if I haven’t been too nice, I’ll behave better. A strong desire for thruth is often mistaken to fundamentalism. If we’d only were allowed to say really true things, we should take the vow of silence, isn’t it ?

I am not a creationist if by creationist we mean people who beleive in a superficially understood judeo-christian genesis.
I am not speaking on behalf of any religion, I am not entitled to, I speak only in my own name,a nd what I have come to learn.

By not accepting the evolutionary theory, I do not mean I trash it completely.
I was just trying to point out that it is a theory, and, it has it’s white spots. The fact that it is accepted by 99.99 % of the scientsis does not mean much regarding it’s validity. With the exception of biologists, geneticists, zoologists (I read the Naked ape, by Desdmond Morris, and I admit that I did not thought so many supposedly human things can be explainde by zoology alone- good teaching on humility) and other related scientists, the rest of them accept it because it is widely accepted, not passing it through the scrutiny of personal thought. That greatly reduces the percentege … not that it would really matter. Truth is not based on how many people beleive it. There was a time when most people beleived that the Earth is flat, or the Earth is the center of the solar system.

12 years before I was an adept of evolutionary theory, and used it to show how the old fashion judeo-christian genesis is silly. I am still very interested in paleoanthropology, for example. Today, I see the genesis of the Old Covenant with a different eyes. It is true, but it is a mythical presentation, and not factual.
The very fact about the Church accepting the evolutionary theroy shows only that mainstream christianity as organized religion descended into a rude materialism. No, it is far from useless, but it is also far from the greatness of what it could be.

By invisible actions, I mean the force what makes the seed to come up in spring as a plant. I talk about the miracle of the life being present in a little seed, what makes possible that from anorganic matters of the soil, a living being can sprout. Yes I know, the genes inthe DNS, they are the supposed program what directs this phenomenon, but they do not explain it completely. Genes, DNS, direct heredity, but that is still not life, it is the material support of life. We do not know yet, the scientist says, how this wonderful complexity works, how matter builds itself to a higher level and becomes alive, but we beleive this to be true. Because they refuse to acknowledge the living presence of the plant, (souls were not found by autopsies), they say, life is a very complex but still materially determined phenomenon, what somehow arrived to the programs of self preservation and reproduction, and because there is no reason in the present for it to exist, we must conclude that it arrived to it’s present complexity through an evolutionary process, through mutations, through trial and error.
It is clear that life works, manifests itself againts the laws of enthrophy, the laws of the mineral reign, the laws of physics, and chemistry. The whole complexity of a living being shows that it struggles against these very laws, to remain alive, using these laws in very clever and complex ways to maintain it’s phisiological activity.

What I believe, is that instead of seeking the reason for life in ageless times, the reason for it’s perpetuation by chance and mutation, we should see the reason for life in life itself, in this very moment. I believe that there is an invisible to eye presence in the plant, what directs it’s life, what can teach us higher reasons for it’s very existence.
Life is a wonder, a miracle, a presence. Materialistic science would like us to beleive that there are no such miracles. The forces what direct life are on a higher plane, one not visible to the senses. This does not mean it is not real, the very existence of plant life, animal life and man is shows that these exists as manifestations of higher and higher planes. This is not abstarct thought or theory, but something what can be expereinced through spiritual training.

You are right in that to really know these things, man must rise above experincing the world only through his/her senses and this is a personal matter, but I am not satisfied with the leave the rest to religion thought. There is a wide gap between materialist science and religion today, and this is not something we cannot change. It is possible a middle ground, a place where unbiased scientific methods are used in the study of the suprersensible. When the same unbiased, rigourous, and honest attitudes are used in man’s personal life, the results will not be absent.

I realise that I lack scientific education, as I am not a scientist. I am a man, who seeks answers to the question of his life, questions on what my whole life depends on. I am not against science or it’s improvements of our external life, but I am pretty much against a short sighted materialism. This is the only point I’d like to make, there is much more to life, to the world, to human beings, than the world to be perceievd by the senses alone.
On one part, scientis dig themselves into great details, but they kind of miss the whole. On the other part, religions state absolute truths, to be accepted by blind faith.
I heard a lecture of a quantum physicist, who stated that the main problem today is, that there are many hypotesis what work on their own, in different areas of research (experimental physics, mathematics, etc), but these cannot be brought to work togheter. These things are mind boggling and so far from what we usually are able to comprehend through ordinary thinking based on our senses that only a few people in the world understand them.

If we manage to nurture and develop the thought of living presence in the tree what is in our front yard, not just a tree, a memory of the tree evoked by the sensorial stimuli, the tree will talk to us, and we will develop new senses. The soul is what gains knowledge, not the brain. And the soul to be perceptive, calm, respect are the basic traits to develop. We see how in many ways, the modern world works against these traits. We must learn to direct our lives, and make our decisisons wisely, so we are not lost in a superficial materialism.
As you say, scientists are well aware of what they do not know … but the ordinary people who lack the time to give scientific results the proper thought, will become superficial, and this leads to moral weakness. If matter is the only truth, if we live only once, if there is nothing spiritual, than morality is only a social constraint, and than I can be a thief, a liar, a brute, if I can manage to avoid the consequences.

PS. women rock ! :slight_smile:
PPS. Disclaimer: I have these long posts as I am not that able to express myself in english, and also the nature of the subject is such that requires the building upon many thoughts. Taking some of the statements out of their context, not necessarily by ill will, but perhaps by lack of the capacity in following them, might generate misunderstandings.

The moment breath comes in… the body becomes connected to the mind and the rhythm of breath in a way maintains the mind and frequencies of thought waves and vice versa.
Yoga is not just one religion… if you go deep into religions… all religions… if you practice with out any obstacles in mind haunting you , you will find the very seed of realization in all. A yogi moving along the path of awareness hence LISTENS with SILENT respect. As you move deeper in yoga the evolutionary theory actually becomes more clearer… as mentioned… you WILL know.

Thank you for sharing this comforting thought.

[quote=1lila1;11283]Hi,

My big question is how do I know when my mind and body are connected? I’m an agnostic and am not really interested in the religious aspect of yoga but I do enjoy the meditation. I apologize if that is sacreligous to any here as that is not my intention. I’m just trying to explain where I’m coming from.

I’m trying hard to concentrate on coordinating my body movements with my breath. I’ve noticed more of an “awareness” of my body and of it’s movement. Is this what is meant by the mind-body connection? How will I know when my mind and body are connected?

I apologize if this is a very stupid question and thank you in advance for your answers.[/quote]

I do believe you’ve already answered your question. My take - body is the whole, mind is part of the whole. Becoming more aware of all aspects of your being is greater connection. Yoga facilitates that awareness.
You are always ‘connected’, how aware of that connection is the training you give your mind.
Mind is the problem child. Mind does what it wants unless you ‘train’ it to do what you want.
I do believe that you can fully use Yoga without treading in the sandy soil of ‘religion’, even though the word ‘god’ (or similar reference to some diety) appears often in yogic writings.
‘Perception’ can seem clear, but in that it can also be very ‘invented’, because it comes from that mischevious ‘mind’. What seems true starts from how we perceive ourselves and then work outward to the rest of existence/universe/whatever.
Example - When your breath goes obviously out of synch (contrary to your attempts to regulate it to your movements) with your movements, thats your body taking control. You being ‘aware’ of this, how it feels and some of the implications of it - is your ‘connection’ to you, the body complete.
Meditation is just another awareness mechanism.

my dam body is always being contrary to my intention - snigglyfratzzz !!! :smiley:

Again the word religion !! Don’t be afraid to touch it…not with a haunted mind!!