Need Advice with Student/Teacher Issue

Hello Everyone,
I’ve been a long time reader, but this is my first post. I need some help from fellow yogis to determine how to deal with this situation.

I didn’t know where else to put this…

But here’s the story.

I usually attend a yoga class on Wed. nights and sometimes on mondays. I have been attending this yoga studio for a long time, have seen ownership change hands numerous times. I actually work for the owner of the studio part time in exchange for unlimited classes.

Since I have attended, I have always brought my 7 year old son along when he wanted to go. He knows my expectations and the rules and ejoys the clasees when he does choose to attend. He has never been a distraction and people have always complimented me on how well behaved he is.

Today, he decides he wanted to go with me to the 7:00 class I was attending tonight. I have a lot of respect and admiration for this instructor and have always liked her classes because she is really good at the poses.

As me and my son are approaching the studio, it was raining and we didnt have an umbrella, he was walking beside me and using my sweater to cover his head. We were laughing and giggling as we approached the front door.
The instructor for that class was walking in front of us and as she opens the door, she stands in the door so we cannot enter, and she bends over and looks at my son and says…

“You need to tell your daddy to find you a Kids yoga class to go to. This class is for adults. There are no children for this class. There are no children in this class.”

I thought it was a joke at first, so I kinda played it off, and I said “well, I guess I have to take you home…”

She looks at me, and says “Umm… I’m serious. It’s not fair to the adults that come to this class and take yoga seriously to have to deal with your son as a distraction.” Then glances over at my son as if he had done something wrong.

And I said “Ok. We’ll just leave then.”

She replies “No, you don’t have to go, but I would appreciate it if you didn’t bring him to these classes. The people that pay for them are serious about them and…”

I interjected, and said “Look. I get it ok? You don’t want my kid here. I’m leaving so ‘we’re not a distraction’ to your serious students.”

She said “You don’t have to leave.”

And I Said "No, we do. You have made it very clear that we are not welcome here."
And I walked off…

My son has been in this class before with this instructor and didnt speak a word, nor make a peep. He has been do dozens of yoga classes with me for over a year and no one has ever complained of him as a distraction. Most of the people at the studio know my child and have shown nothing but love and affection for him since his first class.

The only reason I got defensive was because the look on my child’s face. He looked confused and troubled. No one has ever spoken to my child like that in front of me.

When we left, he says “Why does she get to be rude to us? We’re just people too.”

This was within seconds of us leaving. I didnt even speak a word about my opinion. Seeing how he realiized she was being rude, as a 7 year old, I thought I should do something about it as his father.

I called the owner of the studio and told her about it and she wanted me to put together an email that I wouldn’t mind having forwarded to the instructor. She then told me about some other incidents and that she was hoping it was just her character, but, she said,

“I will not allow any of my instructors to belittle a child. She should have spoken to me about it and asked me to address. Or at least mentioned it to you in private.”

Looking back, I wonder if I should have been more of an Alpha about it, and handled the situation right then. The problem is, I’m very shy and timid and don’t deal with confrontation well at all.

But, these are not things one should deal with at a place such as a yoga studio.

When I got home, my wife was enfuriated that this lady made our kid cry. (which he did once we were in the car. he thought he had done something wrong because we were not welcomed.) So, I had to fire off this email. I tried to be as amblical as possible…

Owner,
I left this evening for the 7:00 yoga class and my son wanted to go with me. I have let him tag a long in the past and attend yoga class with me on several occasions. The instructor for all intents and purposes, expressed her displeasure for my son’s arrival, directly to him without even saying hello to either of us. I thought it was a joke, since she was standing in the door and not welcoming us in, so I made light of it, but the point was sternly reiterated that it was not fair for those who were serious about yoga, to deal with him as a distraction.

I really didn?t feel welcome after that point so I stated that we would go home.

I?m certain that is not what the instructor wanted us to do. But I?m not going to ask my son to be somewhere where he is not welcome. I was hoping I could just blow it off as a mistake on her part and try to resume classes without any awkwardness. But as we were leaving, my son asks:

?Why does she get to be so rude to us? We?re people.?

He never asked why we were not attending class that evening, he only asked.
?What did we get in trouble for??

I reassured him that we were not in trouble that I just picked the wrong class to go to. But I did agree with him that it was indeed rude and immature for her to address him that way when I was the one that she needed to be speaking to.

This is not something I would expect from someone that me and my son both admire or something I would expect from the position of someone who embraces the philosophy of aligning with the divine.

It?s not my intention to create any further issues or hardships or be known as someone who complains. If it is deemed no kids are allowed to any regular yoga classes, then I have no objection to the rule. He has always preferred my yoga classes over Children?s Yoga and that is why I have always agreed to let him attend with me. I would like to know what the official stance is on this subject so I will know how to proceed should he ask to attend yoga with me in the future.

Thank You,

Did I do the right thing? What would you have done?

What kind of fallout should I expect from this and how do I deal with any communication with this instructor forward? I have no problem to forgive and forget, but my wounds heal slowly and I am sincere in my interactions with people. I do not know that I am interested in any apology or to hear any excuses for her behavior. I wish no hardship on this person, and I know this to be sincere, because at this point, I wish this would not have happened.

I need the confidence to shrug off these hurt feelings and move forward.

Dear JSK,

I admire the way that you dealt with this difficult situation. My feeling is that your explanation of what happened and your e-mail are both wise and sympathetic. I feel that this teacher’s behavior was out of order, especially since your son had attended her classes previously. Don’t worry about your reaction at the moment, it was appropriate for you and you cannot change it. You can only change the future. You could talk to this teacher and explain that you and your son were hurt. And that you would like her to be more polite in the future. Just see what happens. You could also decide not to attend this teacher’s classes anymore. That’s up to you.

The owner is on your side, which is a good thing. Perhaps the owner should explain to all the teachers that both you and your son are free to attend unlimited classes. In many places it is uncommon that children attend adult classes. This teacher may not have been aware of the exception made for both you and your son. Since your son is doing well in class, it shouldn’t be a problem. Apparently the other students don’t mind. That is one important criterion for the teacher. A teacher does have a say over who attends her class. This doesn’t give her the right to be unkind, though.

Just let go. Move on. You did well.

Thank you.
I want to let go, but I suppose that I’m having difficulty dealing with my own reaction.

I stepped outside of my comfort zone to react in the manner in which I did instead of it being an organic reaction. I would not have reacted in this manner if I were insulted or belittled. Since it was my son, I felt the need to stick up for him and make it known that neither of us felt we were welcome.

This is the studio owner’s issue. There should be clearly stated policies regarding class attendance. Our studio restricts persons under 13 from joining in, but do offer kid’s yoga.

For some, yoga practice is a serious thing. Obviously one of your fellow practitioners objected and brought it up with the instructor.

That said, there was a precedent and could / should have been handled by the owner politely.

I also have a 7 year old son and I would have been ticked off if treated inappropiately. Don’t fret about your reaction or your feelings on this. They are valid.

Yes, don’t we always try to do the utmost to protect our children? Unfortunately, we don’t always succeed and we even make mistakes ourselves. That’s just the way it is. Don’t worry, no serious harm was done.

Apart from the emotional issues, I would like to say one thing about children in an adult yoga class. I assumed that your son was just tagging along. And this is fine when all participants and teachers agree. However, when it comes to practice, young children do need a different approach from adults. Their bodies are not ready for adult asanas and they generally benefit from a more playful approach. (I prefer not to teach people younger than 18 years old in my adult classes.) But this would be no excuse for impoliteness or insensitive behavior on my part.

Best wishes.

JSK,

What a fascinating learning opportunity that has been presented to you.

As a teacher I personally would not behave in the same fashion as the teacher you mention. However, at the same time I realize we all have elements of our personality “in process”, none of us are perfect, and mistakes can be made.

Again, wearing the hat of a yoga professional I would navigate such conversations with you in private, quietly, and certainly not at the threshold. The fact that the person spoke to you through your child appears to be passive-aggressive (again, it happens) but we also come to expect more from those on the path of yoga.

Of course there are some yoga practices that do not at all effect the lives of their students, only their bodies. And there are other systems that merely aggrandize the ego, so a broad statement that “Yoga makes everyone loving and compassionate” is simply a statement of ignorance or denial. It is a big issue facing the yoga community and I assure you some are doing their all to restore the yoga in yoga.

While I have been in an “adult” class where there was a teenager present, that class was taught by a master teacher and that child was the child of a senior teacher. Seven is the age in classical yoga where the student begins an alignment-based practice. So the issue is not one of distraction. That is purely smoke and mirrors for the practice itself is one where the senses are drawn away from external stimuli (svadhyaya). No, the issue is whether the class is appropriate for the student and that should be policy predetermined and evenly “enforced” by the studio management.

It is growth-enhancing to observe your feelings without becoming a reactionary to them. Here, the problem is not yours, the blessing is.

JSK - I don’t attend many public classes, but when I do I am really grateful when people bring children with them (especially those who are interested in the practice and are well behaved in class! You’re so lucky!). Kids remind me of the joy of youth, innocence and beauty; help me to appreciate these qualities in myself; and assure me that all our hard work in this world is not in vain. Iam absolutely sure that not Everyone agrees with me, but since I’m a pretty ‘serious’ student and budding teacher, and I just wanted to say thank you for encouraging your child’s interest in yoga. Don’t let the harsh words of one teacher wear you down, just pray for understanding, resolution, and peace with this person, or at least with yourself. You did the right thing, the rest is out of your hands. Perhaps in the future if you attend classes with a new teacher, you could ask them prior to class if children are welcome and assure them he won’t be a distraction. I bet the majority of teachers wouldn’t have a problem with it. Good luck. :slight_smile:

Some time has passed since this incident, and I felt that I should give those who are following this thread an update.

I received apologies in writing, and several have apologized on this instructors behalf.

The studio owner wanted to determine what the ‘official’ stance on children in yoga classes so she sent an email to a well known yogi in our area. I ended up recieving a call from this yogi’s assistant and without getting into the details, I will just say that because of this incident, one yoga foundation will be updating their policy in regards to children in yoga classes.

This was the way that the message was given to me.

“If a student has an issue taking a class alongside a child, that student should find another class to take.”

Another thing I was told, was that when this yogi (who shall rename nameless) was told about the situation, his reply was “He should be commended for including his son in his yoga practice. Qualities like these, make great teachers.”

This week, I was asked and encouraged to take teacher training. I committed. Training starts this month.

For those who conveyed that the universe sends us blessings in the manner in which we can use them best, I want to personally say Thank You for keeping my eyes open to this truth.