Niti shastra

Niti(pronounced neetee) shastra means the science of politics, economics and governance, in a more wider sense it is about what is right conduct and what are the best actions in different circumstances. When one in rooted in dharma the science of right action is Niti shastra. This science was traditionally given to kings and the warrior class at the ancient Indian Taxshailla university in Ghandara(modern day Afghanistan) but this science is applicabe to everybody, because it contains truths applicable to all. Niti is to politics etc, what Yoga is to health, Ayurveda is to medicine and Vedanta is to philosophy. It another Indian gem that is worth studying. In fact it is highly useful in equipping you with wisdom on how to act right. There are two major contributors to Niti Shastra in Indian history: Chanakya niti by Chanakya, the chief teacher and adivsor to the Mauraya empire, who also was responsible for the training of the emperor Chandragupta Maurya who Chanakya discovered when Chandragupta was a child and a slave. He noted that he had qualities to become a great king and then adopted him and schooled him. He was also the professor of Niti at Taxshashila university. Then there is Vidhura niti by Vidhura from the Mahabharata. He was the prime minister of the court of Hastinapur, uncle of the Pandavas and a good friend of Lord Krishna. He was known for being a very wise, shrewd scholar and master of dharma.

In this thread we will look at the wise teachings of both Chanakya niti and Vidhura Niti.

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Vidhura Niti

Here are my favourite teachings of Vidhura Niti, which we can all stand to learn from:

[FONT=“Arial Black”]Gold is tested in the fire for identification. A virtuous man is identified by his morality. A sage is identified by his behaviour. A brave man is identified by his fearlessness in dangerous and challenging situation, a patient man is identified when he is confronted by economic problems, enemies and friends are identified in difficult and trying times[/FONT]

Comment: I especially like the last line. It is only in difficult times that you know who your friends are and who you are enemies are. It is true that we must first test somebody to identify their character. Many people talk about bravery, but put them in a fearful situation and then we know how brave they are. People who claim they are patient and calm, give them problems and we’ll see how calm they are.

[B]A forest even if pierced with arrows and cut with the axe flourishes again but a wound caused by bitter speech never heals.

The speech is like an arrow. Both of them hurt the heart of a man, as a result of which, the man who has been hurt is badly affected day and night. Hence a learned man should be cautious while speaking.[/B]

Comment: Speaking sweetly and softly is enjoined by the Vedas, but many of us lapse from time to time and speak harsh words to each other. Harsh words can be more hurtful than physical injury, because they leave wounds that can last lifetimes. If we could open the content of our unconscous we will find that most of the traumas therein have been caused by the words of people in the past.

[B]Just as clothes can be coloured in whichever colour, one wishes, similarly if a man serves a noble, ignoble, sagely man, he gets influenced by each of them that is man is influenced by the company he keeps.[/B]

Comment: We should only remain friends with the wise and noble and shun the unwise and ignoble. This does not mean that we are being snobby to those of less virtue, but rather we prefer to be in the company of those who we want to be more like. If we want to be virtuous - we must find virtuous people to socialise with.

[B]The following eight qualities increases the splendour of man: Intelligence, nobility, knowledge of scriptures, control of the senses, bravery, less talk and action according to ones ability, and greatfulness[/B]

Comment: In these eight qualities the most important is control of the senses, because when we have the senses and the mind under control, then the others naturally follow.

[B]Beauty is destroyed by sorrow, power is destroyed by sorrow, knowledge is destroyed by sorrow. Due to sorrow, man becomes diseased. One does not get aspired things by mourning about it, it only causes pain to the body and ones enemies rejoice. Hence your heart should be free of sorrow. Everyone undergoes the cycle of Joy- Sorrow, creation-destruction, gain-loss and life-death one by one. Hence a patient man must not either be happy for them or mourn for them[/B]

Comment: This teaching is a dead-ringer for Krishna’s counsel to Arjuna. I have known and know so many people who deliberately put themselves in a state of depression. It is useless, it does nothing for you. It makes an attractive, strong, intelligent and healthy person unattractive, weak, dull and unhealthy.
Nothing gets done, no problems get solved by reacting to any situation with sorrow. The best way to be is eqanimous to everything.

[B]Lust, Anger and Greed must be shunned by a man as these three destroy the soul and are the three doors that lead to hell.[/B]

Comment: Lust, anger and greed are the biggest disturbances to our mind. When one is under lust, they are hungry for sex and seek it out. When one is in angry one tenses up and loses all calm, and greed is the cause of all the poverty in this world, because one person is consuming too much.

[B]The nature of a wicked man is restless like the clouds, all of a sudden, they become angry and happy without any apparent reason.[/B]

Comment: Never trust somebody who keeps changing their mind on something. They don’t have control over their own mind and are easily swayed. Wicked people are just people whose mind controls them, and have little control.

[B]One’s body, O king, is one’s car; the soul within is the driver; and the senses are its steeds (horses). Drawn by those excellent steeds, when well trained, he that is wise, pleasantly performs the journey of life, and awake in peace. The horses that are unbroken and incapable of being controlled, always lead an unskilful driver to destruction in the course of the journey; so one’s senses, unsubdued, lead only to destruction The inexperienced wight, who, led by this unsubdued senses, hopes to extract evil from good and good from evil, necessarily confounds misery with happiness. He who, forsaking religion and profit, follows the lead of his senses, loses without delay prosperity, life, wealth and wife. He, who is the master of riches but not of his senses, certainly loses his riches in consequence of his want of mastery over his senses[/B]

Comment: The control of the senses is the most important goal in life. If one does not have control of the senses it is like driving a car at high speeds without sufficient driving skills. You will not be able to manage a car at higher speeds, until you cannot manage it at slower speeds. All things we do without control of our senses, only lead to mediocrity or loss. Mastery of senses is the mastery of life.

[B]Silence, it is said, is better than speech. If speak you must, then it is better to say the truth. If truth is to be said, it is better to say what is agreeable; and if what is agreeable is to be said, then it is better to say what is consistent with morality.[/B]

Comment: This is one of the hardest teachings to practice. Remaining silent is definitely better than speech, but when you are in the world not speaking is seen as a sign of stupidity and weakness. If one speaks they should speak truth, but what if that truth is not agreeable? Like telling a fat person they are fat. To measure that we must decide whether it is righteous to say it. If their fatness is harmful then perhaps it is right to tell them they are fat.

On this forum I am speaking the truth that yoga is Hinduism. This is not agreeable to most people on this forum. Does this mean I should not say it? No, because it is righteous to say it because it is in the service of dharma to make sure that dharma gets represented properly. Yoga is being destroyed in the West and turned into a commercial and physical culture. To rip it out of its original Hindu context is doing a disservice to Yoga.

If you say yoga is a means to discover the sanatana dharma then i agree.

if you say yoga is hinduism then I disagree.

Other than our point of contention - all is well.

This is good info and I thank you for posting it.

This is all garbage! Those shit-colored and casteist Indian bastards could never come up with something like this!

But they did…So lets tax them to death, turn them into malnourished and depraved people, take these teachings from them, and call it our own! Along the way, we will say that their history began at a random date of 1500 B.C.E and that their religion began at the time of Muslim conquests, since the word “Hinduism” didn’t exist until then!

That will show them their rightful place! These inferior dark-skinned barbarians will then never be able to upset the white establishment!

I am glad you like it folks :slight_smile: Here are some more great teachings from Vidhura Niti

The marks of wisdom:

[b]He that is not served from the high ends of life by the aid of self-knowledge, exertion, forbearance and steadiness in virtue, is called wise. These again are the marks of a wise man, viz., adherence to acts, worthy of praise and rejection of what is blameable, faith, and reverence. He whom neither anger nor joy, nor pride, nor false modesty, nor stupefaction, nor vanity, can draw away from the high ends of life, is considered as wise. He whose intended acts, and proposed counsels remain concealed from foes, and whose acts become known only after they have been done, is considered wise. He whose proposed actions are never obstructed by heat or cold, fear of attachment, prosperity or adversity, is considered wise.

He whose judgment dissociated from desire, follows both virtue and profit, and who disregarding pleasure chooses such ends as are serviceable in both worlds, is considered wise. They that exert to the best of their might, and act also to the best of their might, and disregard nothing as insignificant, are called wise. He that understands quickly, listens patiently, pursues his objects with judgment and not from desire and spends not his breath on the affairs of others without being asked, is said to possess the foremost mark of wisdom. They that do not strive for objects that are unattainable, that do not grieve for what is lost and gone, that do not suffer their minds to be clouded amid calamities, are regarded to possess intellects enbued with wisdom.

He who strives, having commenced anything, till it is completed. Who never wastes his time, and who has his soul under control, is regarded wise. They that are wise, O bull of the Bharata race, always delight in honest deeds, do what tends to their happiness and prosperity, and never sneer at what is good. He who exults not at honours, and grieves not at slights, and remains cool and unagitated like a lake in the course of Ganga (Ganges), is reckoned as wise. That man who knows the nature of all creatures (viz., that everything is subject to destruction), who is cognisant also of the connections of all acts, and who is proficient in the knowledge of the means that man may resort to (for attaining their objects), is reckoned as wise. He who speaks boldly, can converse on various subjects, knows the science of argumentation, possesses genius, and can interpret the meaning of what is writ in books, is reckoned as wise. He whose studies are regulated by reason, and whose reason follows the scriptures, and who never abstains from paying respect to those that are good, is called a wise man.[/b]

The marks of foolishness:

[b]He, on the other hand, who is ignorant of scriptures yet vain, poor yet proud, and who resorts to unfair means for the acquisition of his objects, is a fool. He who, forsaking his own, concerns himself with the objects of others, and who practises deceitful means for serving his friends, is called a fool. He, who wishes for those things that should not be desired, and forsakes those that may legitimately be desired, and who bears malice to those that are powerful, is regarded to be a foolish soul.

He who regards his foe as his friend, who hates and bears malice to his friend, and who commits wicked deeds, is said to be a person of foolish soul. O bull of the Bharata race, he who divulges his projects, doubts in all things, and spends a long time in doing what requires a short time, is a fool. He who does not perform the Sraddha for the Pitris (oblations offered to the manes), nor worships the deities, nor acquires noble-minded friends, is said to be a person of foolish soul. That worst of men who enters a place uninvited, and talks much without being asked, and reposes trust on untrustworthy wights, is a fool.

That man who being himself guilty casts the blame on others, and who though impotent gives vent to anger, is the most foolish of men. That man, without knowing his own strength and dissociated from both virtue and profit, desires an object difficult of acquisition, without again adopting adequate means, is said to be destitute of intelligence. O king, he who punishes one that is undeserving of punishment, pays homage to persons without their knowledge, and waits upon misers, is said to be of little sense.[/b]

Comment: According to this most of our world today is foolish. In the academic world things that could be done quickly are discussed forever before any concrete actions are taken. Many things would be done faster if our scholars could think straight, clearly and stop filtering truth. The world is full of narcissicistic people who think the world revolves around them and speak bodly without having anything to show for themselves. Everybody is a know-it-all, and though they have no credentials or learnings, they will debate with you on things they don’t know about and think they are equivalent to even the learned on the matter. Everybody is highly opinionated and will go out of their way to make sure you hear their opinion on every matter - even if their opinion is unadulerated garbage.

The wise certainly are those who are of high learning so they know what are talking about. Who think before they speak. Who can call a spade a spade and are honest, factual and objective. Who do not grieve over loss or failure and take it in their stride. Who apply themselves and perservere in whatever goal they want to achieve. Who remain healthy and balanced. Who largely remain silent and speak only when it is necessary.

Forgiveness:

There is one only defect in forgiving persons, and not another; that defect is that people take a forgiving person to be weak. That defect however, should not be taken into consideration, for forgiveness is a great power. Forgiveness is a virtue of the weak, and an ornament of the strong. Forgiveness subdues (all) in this world; what is there that forgiveness cannot achieve? What can a wicked person do unto him who carries the sabre of forgiveness in his hand? Fire falling on a grassless ground is extinguished of itself. And unforgiving individual defiles himself with many enormities. Righteousness is the one highest good; and forgiveness is the one supreme peace; knowledge is one supreme contentment; and benevolence, one sole happiness.

Comment: I do not hold grudges against people. I have never been the kind of person who hold grudges. I forgive very easily. However, forgiveness always needs to be earned. If the person who you are forgiving is still doing the act that initially transgressed you, and you still keep forgiving them, this makes you a fool. Such blind forgiveness is not the power Vidhura is describing here. Rather, if somebody has shown that they truly have rectified their ways that transgressed you before, then you should have no problem in forgiving them.
Always have an open heart and award virtue. This is the dharmic way.

I will forgive all the death and destruction the Muslims and Christians have caused to humanity if Islam and Christianity apologise to the world for what was done by them and rectify their ways. Then I will let bygones be bygones and never condemn them again.

Action:

Vidura said: Even if unasked, one should speak truly, whether his words be good or bad, hateful or pleasing, unto him whose defeat one does not wish. I shall, therefore, say, O king, what is for the good of the Kurus. I shall say what is both beneficial and consistent with morality. Listen to me. Do not, O Bharata, set the heart upon means of success that are unjust and improper. A man of intelligence must not grieve if any purpose of his does not succeed, notwithstanding the application of fair and proper means. Before one engages in an act, one should consider the competence of the agent, the nature of the act itself, and its purpose, for all acts are dependent on these. Considering these one should begin an act, and not take it up on a sudden impulse

Comment: The dharmic value of satya is being asserted here. Always speak truefully, no matter how much censure you face, whatever the loss, or however unpopular you become. I have never hestitated from speaking the truth and never will.

Control of the senses: Anger and Lust

Desire and anger, O king, break through wisdom, just as a large fish breaks through a net of thin cords. He who in this world regarding both religion and profit, seeks to acquire the means of success, wins happiness, possessing all he had sought. He who, without subduing his five inner foes of mental origin, wishes to vanquish other adversaries, is, in fact, overpowered by the latter.

It is seen that many evil minded kings, owing to want of mastery over their senses, are ruined by acts of their own, occasioned by the lust of territory.

Comment: Once again is emphasized how important it is for us to control our senses and manage our emotions. All our problems in the world can be traced to lust and anger. It is lust for things that leads to wars, because things require resources and resources like oil are not equally distributed around the world. It is anger that leads to crime, genocides and murders because anger makes you lose your calm with somebody and you desire to destroy them. When you lose your calm with an entire race, then we get genocide.

Health:

O king, without health no good quality can show itself in a person. If, however, you are in health, you can achieve your good, for he is dead who is unhealthy and ill.

Comment: I said on this forum before how spirituality never thrives in poverty. This is because the very basic conditions like food and water, shelter, clothes, literacy etc must be satisfied before one can even think of high pursuits

Before I move onto Chanayaka niti, there is another teaching I wish to share which is producing somewhat of a dilemma in me and is highly relevant to this forum, where insults are thrown about everyday.

[b]The mendicant Rishi answered: Ye immortals, it has been heard by me that by untying all the knots in the heart by the aid of tranquillity, and by mastery over all the passions, and observance of true religion, one should regard both the agreeable and the disagreeable like his own self. One should not return the slanders or reproaches of others for the pain that is felt by him who bears silently, consumes the slanderer; and he that bears, succeeds also appropriating the virtues of the slanderer. Indulge not in slanders and reproaches.

Do not humiliate and insult others. Quarrel not with friends. Abstain from companionship with those that are vile and low. Be not arrogant and ignoble in conduct. Avoid words that are harsh and fraught with anger. Harsh words burn and scorch the very vitals, bones, heart, and the very sources of the life of men. Therefore, he, that is virtuous, should always abstain from harsh and angry words. That worst of men is of harsh and wrathful speech that pierces the vitals of others with wordy thorns, bears hell in his tongue, and should ever be regarded as a dispenser of misery to men. The man that is wise, pierced by another’s wordy arrows, sharp pointed and smarting like fire or the sun, should, even if deeply wounded and burning with pain, bear them patiently remembering that the slanderer’s merits become his[/b]

Comment: I can see the complete sense in what being is being said here. What I find surprising is how it says that if somebody insults you, you take on their merits(good karma?) This could be in the sense to others the aggressor seen as the aggressor and the sympathy of people go to the aggressed. It could be in the sense that the energy required in order to insult somebody depletes the aggressor of energy and maybe somehow the aggressors energy goes to the aggressed. The dilemma here is when somebody does insult you, should you not respond in kind? If you do not would you not look weak and thereby invite more insults? Is the higher moral ground here to not respond back to an insult with an insult ?