Freedom is craved, responsibility shunned.
A political philosopher , Robert Nozick, once said -
'No rights without responsiblites. ’
Take from this statement what you will.
Freedom is Beyond Mind,
Boundless Consciousness.
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19188][B]Justwannabe[/B], please don’t take me wrong. I am not against donation. Donation is a good thing by itself, both for the person who donates (if he gives from his heart) and for the person who receives it (if he really in needs) . 
And this relates to donation of land as well.
BUT, if a person always rely for help from other people, expecting for others (the government or spiritually-developed rich people) to donate him land one day, he may wait forever.
I myself always rely on my own powers and efforts only. I believe that if I do not do it MYSELF than nobody will do it for me. If I get some help on this way I take it as a bonus. :)[/QUOTE]
I can appreciate that, thank you
[QUOTE=core789;19217]A political philosopher , Robert Nozick, once said -
'No rights without responsiblites. ’
Take from this statement what you will.
Freedom is Beyond Mind, Boundless Consciousness.[/QUOTE]
[B]Freedom is Beyond Mind, Boundless Consciousness[/B]
I like this definition, thank you for quoting!
I even wrote it down into my diary. 
In the sitch you describe, the family and the given definition of ‘personal freedom’, the family impinges on the personal freedom unless supporting the family is what the person really wants to do. If there are tasks undertaken to forward that goal, even if they would not be chosen without the context of that higher goal, the person still operates within personal freedom.
[quote=VestnikRA;19235][B]Freedom is Beyond Mind, Boundless Consciousness[/B]
I like this definition, thank you for quoting!
I even wrote it down into my diary. [/quote]
I made that up myself.
Good, eh?
You see one effect of my own meditation practice recently has , at least some degree or occasioned i should say a transcend-ing of Mind, so the limitations of ‘normal’ consciousness/‘waking reality’ are transcended.If one gets in this state (possibly a delta or theta state i would imagine) then one reach a freedom, or perspective perhaps rather, afforded by the ‘not this Mind, Not this body etc’ that the yogi’s fequently talk about…( though it has to be felt though,not just to have that monkey/thought/idea in your head)Easier said than done.i may have had a glimpse of it past month.Nothing crazy.Although to describe it as an altered state or supeerconscious state would’nt seem overly fanciful.The value here is that it is both healing and spirtually nourishing, at the same time.One hears diseases or sickness as having a spiritual anatomy or aetiology but this is an anathema to modern medicine,based on more ‘scientific’ principles.
okay there is Mind— then mind is subsumed by Consicousness. but Mind is fraught with definitions of who you think you are, the always thinking part , the interface with the body,external reality etc.
take away all other nonsesne.and you end upwith something like unadulterated pure bliss consciousness. i don’t know–the buddhists might say something similar.
boundless is transcending it’s gross manifestations , without boundaries,beyond , certainly beyond thinking & rationalising Mind,& the separateness of identification with “I”/Ego and evrything else,Other,Cosmos etc
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19187]. But what if he has a family? He must take care about his family and if one exclude extremal situation like going wild living in the forest, than IS THERE a way to support a family and to be personally free at the same time?
I believe THERE IS a way :)[/QUOTE]
Well, look at Lahiry Mahasaya. He was a family man, having the “normal difficulties” with his wife. He had children.
He was an accomplished yogi. He even resurrected a man-read the autobiography of an yogi.
I see here many points of view. Frredom can mean many things for many people.
In our physical present world freedom could have many aspects: financial independence,
freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom from others’ interference in your life etc etc. All these are “freedom”, or aspects of it.
There is though another freedom, a superior freedom. when you become united with Christ Consciousness. Samadhi…for short.
Everyone gets the freedom one wishes (if any!)
Everyone gets the freedom one deserves.
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19601]Everyone gets the freedom one wishes (if any!)
Everyone gets the freedom one deserves. :)[/QUOTE]
God gave the Americans three great gifts: freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of press…and the wisdom of not abusing them.
Mark Twain[QUOTE=oak333;19600]
In our physical present world freedom could have many aspects: financial independence, freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom from others’ interference in your life etc etc. All these are “freedom”, or aspects of it.
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My thoughts exactly. In this world, there is no such thing as complete freedom, but there are many aspects of freedom. One can be free in some aspects and not free in others.
According to Samkhya, absolute freedom is an aspect of Purusa, or true self. This is similar to what you called Christ Consciousness.
I hate to be the one to tell Twain that that fourth was withdrawn, at least in part.
And I just disagree with the assertion ‘everyone gets the freedom one deserves.’ There are physical-world freedoms that are unjustly or accidentally revoked without consideration for the worth of a person. Unless we all deserve paraplegia or infant heroine addiction, and the assertion is more accurately stated ‘everyone gets at least the freedom one deserves’.
Very few persons enjoy TRUE FREEDOM OF WILL. To follow one’s desires, compelled by the dictates of instincts and habits, or to be good and refrain from evil simply because one has become accustomed to that good behaviour, is NOT freedom.
When the will is guided by discriminative wisdom to choose good instead of evil in any and every instance, then indeed one is free.
Yogananda
I hope this sheds the light.
What is good and what is evil?
When a person choose neither good nor evil just because he has a wisdom to see them as two sides of one coin, does not this mean that he is free?
makes my brain itch
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19102]My definition for personal freedom: it is when you can do what you really like to do, what makes your heart happy most of your time.[/QUOTE]
This is my definition of personal freedom as well. Many years ago I read The Happiness Purpose by Edward De Bono and was propably the best book of it’s kind I have read.
The more I compromise to accommodate family, career, friends, finances, etc. the more imprisoned I feel. My aim is to do brings me joy, and have those elements accommodate me. Sounds a bit selfish, but attaining personal freedom is.
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19701]What is good and what is evil?
:)[/QUOTE]
Good question. It takes a long time to answer it. I will try a brief answer:
When the power of God goes into creation, it takes a dual nature. As Para-Prakriti (Pure Nature) it creates all good and beauty in harmony with the Christ Consciousness. Its divine nature is expressed in the causal and astral realms.
But as the power of creation goes into material manifestation, it becomes conjointly a deviant Apara-Prakriti (Impure Nature), created through the laws of gross matter and the uttermost density of delusion.
These tow aspects of Prakriti correspond to the Christian designation of Holy Ghost and Satan. The Holy Ghost draws everyting and everyone to God. Satan pulls outward from God into entaglement with the delusive world of matter, employing the mayic cosmic delusion to diffuse, confuse, blind, and bind.
Yogananda
to be cont’d
Satan originated as the natural consequence of God’s division of His Oneness into waves of finite creation. The plan was that the Cosmic Delusive Force should be endowed with independence in order to use maya and avidya. All plants, animals, Adam and Eve were
meant by God to live naturally and simply in Eden, without suffering, disease and after to return to God.
This frightened Satan; the sole purpose of his being (to keep these forms in manifestation) was threatened. For his own self-perpetuation, Satan rebelled against God, as a general turns sometimes against his king. He manipulated the laws and principles of creation under his command to establish patterns of imperfection that would preclude the automatic return to God. Satan became as lightning falling from Heaven because he turned the light of cosmic away from its focus on God and concentrated it on gross matter.
Satan has a double existence: both subjective in man and objective.
Yogananda
If you want me to continue, please let me know.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;19711]
The more I compromise to accommodate family, career, friends, finances, etc. the more imprisoned I feel. My aim is to do brings me joy, and have those elements accommodate me. Sounds a bit selfish, but attaining personal freedom is.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you mean. Untill I realised my predestination in this life I too had to compromise with everything. Now I know what I REALLY want in life and what makes me happy and I have been moving in this direction for 4 years already, slowly but decisively.
[QUOTE=VestnikRA;19742]I understand what you mean. Untill I realised my predestination in this life I too had to compromise with everything. Now I know what I REALLY want in life and what makes me happy and I have been moving in this direction for 4 years already, slowly but decisively. :)[/QUOTE]
You are one of the lucky ones. For most, knowing what really and truly brings us joy is obscured by self-doubt, insecurity, and fear. The greatest of all being fear. Fear is the uncompromising warden that keeps us imprisoned and removed from freedom and joy. By bullying us into the belief that we do not deserve freedom, fear distracts us from seeing what is the truth - that the prison has no gate, no bars on the windows, no armed guards to keep us from leaving. The prison is really an illusion cast over our eyes and hearts. For most, it takes tremendous courage to stand erect in the face of the fear warden, chest out and shoulders back. When that is done, fear’s illusion of power will vanish and the warden will cower and stand aside allowing us to stroll out into freedom.