[QUOTE=The Scales;46995]Eating something that is in the moment so very pleasing, but later your upset because it made you fatty or gave you stank breath.
???
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the best one! indeed…
[QUOTE=CityMonk;47021]the best one! indeed…[/QUOTE]
Childbirth?
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;47030]Childbirth?[/QUOTE]
Indeed! X’s 3! 
[QUOTE=CityMonk;46986] ha-ha
My dentist think that I’m the one, since I take dental work without anesthesia. :)[/QUOTE]
have you ever mistaken a root canal sans anesthesia as pleasure???
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;46931]I love all the responses here! Bowel movement, sex, one night stand! To add to the eclectic mix…perhaps Sadomasochism? Pleasurable pain/painful pleasure.
I think we just need to know they exist and not place meaning to them. [B][B][B]Pain and pleasure are very subjective. [/B] Thresholds are very different between individuals.[/B][/B] Like Yulaw said, “Attachments cause suffering”.[/QUOTE]
Yes they are, yet only at the psychological level. Mental pain is unique, for that is why each person’s spiritual elevation comes uniquely. Physical pain, however, is objective. For example, if you break your leg, you are inflicted the same neurological pain as a mammal with a broken leg would feel. Physical pain is not unique; conversely, mental pain is. You need empathy to resonate with the mental pain of another, but you would need to inflict the same physical pain if you want to resonate with the physical pain of another. Similarly, pleasure unfolds.
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;47030]Childbirth?[/QUOTE]
Childbirth can be pleasurable. Ever heard of orgasmic birth?
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;46931]I love all the responses here! Bowel movement, sex, one night stand! To add to the eclectic mix…perhaps Sadomasochism? Pleasurable pain/painful pleasure.[/QUOTE]
;););)
:D:D:D:D:D
Ditto!!!
[QUOTE=Star Light;49069]Childbirth can be pleasurable. Ever heard of orgasmic birth?[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe in that. Never seen it.
(if it does exist, I think it probably falls under masochism)
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;49072]I don’t believe in that. Never seen it.
(if it does exist, I think it probably falls under masochism)[/QUOTE]
Doesn’t matter if you’ve seen it. It exists. It doesn’t fall under S/M. Women can actually experience orgasm during birth. Several women have reported it. I have not experienced one, but that does not mean it’s not true.
[QUOTE=Star Light;49073]Doesn’t matter if you’ve seen it. It exists. It doesn’t fall under S/M. Women can actually experience orgasm during birth. Several women have reported it. I have not experienced one, but that does not mean it’s not true.[/QUOTE]
“Several women” is not a proper sample of laboring women by any stretch of the imagination, “several women” isn’t how things are, it’s aberrant phenomenon.
& besides, that’s all anecdotal.
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;49074]“Several women” is not a proper sample of laboring women by any stretch of the imagination, “several women” isn’t how things are, it’s aberrant phenomenon.
& besides, that’s all anecdotal.[/QUOTE]
If it happens once that means it’s real.
[QUOTE=Star Light;49075]If it happens once that means it’s real.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I don’t think that’s what Patanjali was talking about.
It seems to me that some people here are mistaking mental pleasure/pain with physical pleasure/pain. Because something is mentally pleasurable but physically unpleasurable does not mean that pain “Turns into” pleasure.
I think that what is being talked about IS the masochistic “perv” thing. When pain ACTUALLY becomes pleasure. The pain is so intense that is somehow takes over your pain/pleasure senses. That is why some women say child birth is orgasmic. I totally believe that, having never had a child before.
The bowel movement thing – totally! It actually hurts…but you are releasing it so it feels good. It’s the same with bodywork. That pain is the pain LEAVING the body. When pain is leaving the body, there is a pleasure to it.
I don’t have the answer. But I think there is an S&M community for a reason. Those two sensations are tied in our physiology somehow.